FISTS

In less than 3 days this thread went from WHAAA!!! to YAAA!!! to WHAAA!!! again.

I guess there is no pleasing everybody...

*Runs out of the thread with his Nigh/BiB badged MM to escape the flames*

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How exactly does PvP damage count more than PvE damage?

0 risk for me here. 2 level 53 malta turrets while resting = 700 damage every 4~ seconds = lots over time. I can't imagine pvp can pour out damage faster or more effortlessly than this farm is doing for me.

My stalker probably didn't even take a total of 2 million points of damage by 50. Already working on Nigh Invincible in the 40s is just crazy. You regen?

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I think the idea is it's risk-free damage in PvP- no debt. Also, it's risk-free damage that's not mind-numbingly dull, like malta farming.

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But during Malta farming you can sleep, or read a book, or exercise, or go visit that magical place called Outsideland...

Why does everyone say that damage farming is dull? No one (in their right mind) sits at the keyboard while damage farming. Jeez.

I just hope you guys don't start a new crusade of "Unbreakable is too hard to get on my ________! Lower it some more PLEASE!"

It'll be nice to see this debate finally put to bed.

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Dissing the Devs on the forum for past injustices while asking them to make an aspect of the game easier doesn't quite seem like a good tactic to me.


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Past injustices? I seem to recall that the ones listed so far tend to still be active, or very recent.

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As you guys reminded me in my BiB thread so many times: The Devs DO read the forums. San Diablo, I'm sure you have Positrons attention now, and I'm sure he's now more than willing to show you some compassion on this matter.


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I'm sure of neither. Lack of evidence either way and all.

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You might have just kicked yourself in the butt with steel toe boots.

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I might have. I might also have kicked him that way, and gotten him to realize that maybe he should remember the PR side of his job, too. Again, we have no hard info to go on, so we cannot assume either way.

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Well...as I have said to you before, and now with even greater emphasis, "Good Luck."

Hmm, Statesman nerfed my lvl 50 DM/INV scrapper until he's no longer INV to anything and is really no longer fun to play.

Positron has his way with badge requirements, accolades and GM/AV buffs, yet I still have fun collecting badges.

Who do I have a problem with more?

But I digress.

Dissing the Devs on the forum for past injustices while asking them to make an aspect of the game easier doesn't quite seem like a good tactic to me.

As you guys reminded me in my BiB thread so many times: The Devs DO read the forums. San Diablo, I'm sure you have Positrons attention now, and I'm sure he's now more than willing to show you some compassion on this matter.

You might have just kicked yourself in the butt with steel toe boots.

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Statesman, for all the problems I had with his design philosophy, was someone who never particularly struck me as aloof. Positron? I can't think of a better word for him right now. Much as I think the NI requirement was a mistake rather than the initial intent, I don't think it'll get either changed or even acknowledged by Positron as a problem. He just can't be bothered.

Harsh? Sure, but I've lost count of the former Statesman naysayers who now wish he'd takeover again after a single issue under Posi's "vision". There's a reason I want the Destroyer badge so badly right now...

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I call shenanigans on this post. There isn't a pejorative label thrown at or perceived attitude attributed to Positron that hasn't been thrown at or attributed to Statesman 10 times and counting. In part, it's the nature of the beast when one becomes Lead Designer. "The Buck Stops Here," and all that.

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SHAZAM!

Statesman has been called everything but a Child of God in the past, but now Positron is worse because he won't lower the badge requirements for an accolade?

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It was 200. Just finaly got it. Still not getting HPT on test with everything listed here.

High Pain Threshold -
Deathless (4th debt)
Locked & Loaded (exploration)
Gangbuster (kill Marcones)
Technofreak (history)

There is surely something else needed.

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Try this: Search-Fu

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7 months... and all we get for a lvl 50 pvp zone is a rehash of Atlas Park? What a joke. I'm glad I didn't renew my account.

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Can I have your........Aw nuts, I can't do it, joke is so stale.......

But I can offer a parting prayer for our disillusioned game mate, "Fare thee well on thine departure from CoX, and let not the door hitheth thee where the Good Lord hath spliteth thee. We look upon this not as the loss of a comrade, but rather as the gain of bandwith, and we shall not cry, but shall rejoice in this. All those present say Amen, and CYA!"

You guys can come up with all the PvP rationale you want, but it's still BS. My stormers main defense was taken away and what did he get in return? It has been stated many times that the end redux is marginal at best. I have an end redux enhancement in most powers because I built all my toons with ED before ED was mandated. So what did my toon get in return for his weakened defense?

Skipped a few pages of this thread.

All I know is that yesterday for the first time ever, 2 different stalkers got hits in on my storm troller in Sirens. Neither could kill me, but I don't like the fact that they could just jump into my hurricane and hit me before being repelled. The KB actually HELPED them get away from my pets.

I don't PvP much at all. But I do go to the zones for the badges. Imagine my surprise when I was fighting Blue Ink Men and a brute landed right next to me in my hurricane and stunned me with KB blow.

I think this change is BS. To everyone who thinks this is a good change because the end cost was lowered, I have a bridge in New York for sale. They have these little things called enhancements that you can use to reduce the endurance costs of all your powers, learn to use them.

If you take away some of my defense, then give me some mez protection or more HP. Otherwise all this did was make a squishy even more squishy.

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1) You are missing *my* point

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No I'm not. I think you make some very valid points. We actually agree that the dynamic nature of this game makes it hard for anyone to know what is current and valid at any particular time. But, having said that, I just can't get into a discussion with someone who discounts what I post as a "little rant."

Again, my example was not a personal attack on you. I apologise if you feel it came off that way, but it wasn't. You already made it clear that you think I'm "arrogant, pompous, assuming, and accusatory" and want to maintain a combative stance, so this isn't going to get us anywhere or benefit anyone that reads this. It takes 2 people to argue so I'm done.

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You missed the whole frikken point of what I wrote. If you insist on taking this as a personal attack against YOU, so be it, but it wasn't. No need for the confrontational tone.

You don't have to purposefully lie to spread bad info. No one (hopefully) purposefully tries to mislead anyone on here, and I didn't accuse you or anyone else of that. I stated that posting "I'm not sure" or "I think..." is counterproductive. Again, post what you KNOW is current. If you don't know, don't post, or ask if anyone has tried something recently, as things change (and I don't understand why we both make this point about change but look at it from different angles).

Again, I have no desire to get into a flame war, so I'm done. I never called you any names, like you did to me, l merely posted that you put out old info, from "CoV beta, before I6." Again, my point is that we should post CURRENT info, not info from 3 months ago. When you decide you want to have some intelligent discourse instead of attacking my personality with name calling and taking a defensive stance, I'll be happy to share what I've learned. Until then, I'm done. Argue with yourself.

So far as me proving anything, just put it this way: I don't post about what I don't know about. I don't speculate, never have, never will. Nuff said.

*Riding my high horse back to Badgeland*

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Not singling Taser out on this one either. Just saw another example yesterday where someone asked if gladiator healing earned points towards heal badges. She got this answer, "I'm pretty sure that no longer works..." from VooDoo Company,

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Blah blah blah. No, you aren't singling out Taser.........you're now tossing me into the mix for no reason.

Anyway, my main badge guy (Regen scrapper) doesn't even have the healing badge started.........even after playing gladiator matches after the first patch after I6. Including both Arch mage and Warden.

Hence, that's what I *know*. I don't have a healing badge started after playing many gladiator matches with healing mobs on my team.

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Do I sound arrogant?

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Yep. And pompous. And accusatory. And assuming.

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Want to check my credentials?

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Those sites run off the honor system. Not exactly "credentials" in any sense of the word. Non issue.

I too don't like people giving information that they aren't very confident in. But in game where things change, and not always noted from the developers to the players, everyone can't be caught up on things 100% of the time, you'll always have some air of "not sure". If you noticed, I didn't flat out say "NO WAY IN HELL DOES THAT WORK ANYMORE" in the respective thread.

Hence, I know the Glad matches use to work for healing (and mob kill counts). But now I'm not so sure due to my experience, and have seen *no proof* convincing me otherwise. Provide that proof (through screenshots in stages I guess), and I'll gladly change my mind.

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Not "throwing you in the mix for no reason." Throwing you in the mix because you gave a wrong answer. Thank you for proving my point. Things DO change and not everyone is 100% up to date all the time. This is EXACTLY why you shouldn't answer if you "are not so sure due to [your] experience."

As far as you calling me arrogant, pompous, and assuming, that's your opinion, and it doesn't matter to me anyway one way or the other.

Those sites run off the honor system, but on 1 of them when you are in the top 10 for a server, you have to be verified, which I am. You're right, non issue.

Instead of me proving to you that it works, how about you try it for yourself. That way you'll have your own experience before you take the time to tell someone what you "are not so sure about."

This is not a personal attack, even though it's being taken as such. Again, what this is is an appeal to ALL who use this forum to use some restraint in posting misinformation. There is another thread right now about GMs giving bad feedback and info when we petition. We actually play the game, and know more than them in most cases, so it's our responsibility to provide acurate answers to player questions, not speculation and outdated information. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

We can turn this into a flame war, or we can start policing ourselves accordingly. In the meantime, I'm taking my arrogant, pompous, assuming self back to earning more badges.

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Like Beef Cake, I too have teamed to kill over 100 Overseers in the Rimsey mish and no badge or progress bar for the effort.

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Have you tried the Kidnap Akarist mission from Sonata? People claim that one works because the eyeballs spawned in the ambushes are different.

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No, I solo'd that mish so no bosses. 3 questions:

How are they different?
Did they get a progress bar to pop up?
Is this mish farmable?

Thanks for the tip. This gives the Guardian badge crew something new to experiment on.

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BTW, I generally enjoy Taser's posts. He is quite informative, but not ALWAYS right. There is nothing wrong with that, is there?

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Taser is wrong A LOT. And there IS something wrong with that. Many people take Taser's advice as the gospel, and when he puts out bad info he is doing a disservice to the badge hunter community.

I made a thread last month titled, "Post what you KNOW, not what you THINK." The point of the post was to appeal to people like Taser to stop posting responses to badge questions with, "I THINK you have to do this..." and "I killed xxx of these so that badge is bugged (as was the case with the Wailer Queen gladiator badge). Unfortunately Positron posted his "Badge Questions" the next day and apparently the people who are the main culprits for spreading bad info never read what I wrote.

Not singling Taser out on this one either. Just saw another example yesterday where someone asked if gladiator healing earned points towards heal badges. She got this answer, "I'm pretty sure that no longer works..." from VooDoo Company, then Taser posted right behind it that VooDoo was right and she should take Medicine Pool powers to get these badges. Guess what? They were both wrong, as Longbow Warden gladiator heals in the arena DO earn points towards heal badges. I see this all the time. If you've ever responded to a question with, "I THINK..." or "I'm not sure, but..." and you don't really know, then the shoe fits and you need lace it up and run untill you're too tired to post bad info ever again.

I know this debate is about GM spawns, but it is part of the larger debate about misinformation. Many of us have caused Deathsurge to spawn, and we have our Surging badges, so if others want to hold to their belief that Deathsurge is random, so what. My point is about the misinformation debate and here is my appeal, once again: If someone asks how to get a badge, and you don't have it, don't post your THOUGHTS or OPINIONS on how to get it. Most likely, you are WRONG. The only exception is if you are testing a theory and need input, like when everyone was trying to figure out how to get Caleb to spawn. Otherwise, keep your opinion to yourself until you see a flash of "Badge Earned" on your screen.

Do I sound arrogant? Want to check my credentials?
Main hero is Crimsom Cobra - 304 badges
Main villian is High Lord Yamato - 206 badges

Feel free to go to the 2 badge tracking sites, look up my badges, and you'll see that I know what I'm talking about.

Not trying to thread jack, but misinformation is rapidly becoming a pet peeve of mine.

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For the Overseers badge (the eyeballs are the Rularuu Sentries, the boss Sentries are Overseers), have you tried killing Overseers that are at least level 40 or higher? In CoH, they don't naturally spawn under level 40, so that might be what's causing the problem of no badge showing up.

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FYI, on CoV, Overseers will not spawn if mission conditions are set lower than level 40. Neither will Master Illusionists or Fake Nemesis. So, to answer your question, no this is not the problem. Level 39 Overseers, Master Illusionists, and Fake Nemesis do not exist in CoV.

Like Beef Cake, I too have teamed to kill over 100 Overseers in the Rimsey mish and no badge or progress bar for the effort.

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*waves to Positron*

Will Snowbeast also be fixed?

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Yes. This is given to players who got the Toy Collector badge in December.

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Whoot, I remember sending you a PM requesting a snowbeast gladiator in CoV Beta! So I'm retroactively taking credit for this idea.

Come to think of it... the gladiator awarded with Toothbreaker was on my list, too, and I know I was bugging Recluse for it...

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/sarcasm on

Wow, you took credit for the change to the badge forum, and now for 2 gladiators....what would we do without you? If it wasn't for you the Devs would have no clue as to what to do about badges and gladiators, THANK YOU SO MUCH!

/sarcasm off.

Pets DO count. I solo'd my MM most of the way to 40 and got 2 heal badges just healing pets.

Also got Wailer Queen, on CoV only, when I got the third held badge.

Turns out it WASN'T bugged, as previously posted.

CoH Main: Crimsom Cobra - 286 badges
CoV Main: High Lord Yamato - 187 badges

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Actually Taser, you were not the first to unlock Mu Guardian. PhyreWauder (EwokSpy's villian) on Guardian had it right after Christmas.


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I actually unlocked it December 12th... quite a few weeks before Christmas.

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I stand corrected.

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I would like to think that I'm the king of CoV badges since, not only have I added tips on how to get them all to the City Info Terminal Badge Tracker, I have also helped Statesman and CuppaJo find bugged badges that they had to fix so now all of us can get them.

Also: I was the first to unlock Mu Guardian!

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Actually Taser, you were not the first to unlock Mu Guardian. PhyreWauder (EwokSpy's villian) on Guardian had it right after Christmas.

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Not possible. It's from the 25-30 contact, Archmage Tarixus.

The Banished Pantheon "Scroll of Tielekku" mission is from Diviner Maros, not Tarixus. It's in the level 25 neighborhood. Whether or not it can be coaxed into spawning masks I can't say...I don't remember if I fought any when I did it.

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Farmed this mish last night and got the badge. Patience is needed as there are 4 floors in the building and Masks only spawn on 3 of them, the 1st, 2nd, and 4th floors. Kept losing 1 team member so team size varied from 7 to 8, and Mask spawn varied from as few as 2 per floor to as many as 6.

Ongoing project is farming the Technician Naylor mish for Rularuu Overseers. Got this mish at lvl 40, which poses some difficulty, as the badge hunters I team with are all lvl 25-29. With a team of 8 on the lowest setting, you get 1 Overseer per mob, about 20 mobs total. Team of 7 on lowest setting saw no Overseers at all.

I also have a lvl 40 Carnie mish with Master Illusionists that I will be experimenting on within a day or 2.

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Carnie Ring Mistresses pwnzzz all.

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I had a big [censored] moment when running into just a Lt-class Ring Mistress during my Aura mission. [censored] is up with giving them a power that not only drains your health and endurance, but also kills your recovery and regen for over a minute?

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They've been able to do this in CoH since....as long as I can remember.

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For the love of Villains and Heroes everywhere, please do NOT nerf the mobs! You already nerfed the players too much, when you should have just made the mobs harder to begin with. Don't cater the whiners of "he beat me up!" anymore. If anything, un-nerf us and make the mobs harder.

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I vote for this!

Slot Machine is "duh" inside the casino in St. Martial (where else would you expect to find a slot machine?) No referral needed, just go to it when you get the Gangbuster badge.

Cage Capt. badge is bugged. I killed about 300 and no badge.