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Quote:http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index....ic,5757.0.htmlOriginally Posted by Golden Girl
I don't have any official role with the Titan Klan - I just help sew their hoods.
Executive Committee
Golden Girl
(and more names)
Well I guess that is may not be you, the Golden Girl over there at Titan, on the Executive Committee?
And according to Sergev, another executive committee member, this committee (quoted)
-Our Executive Committee is formed of those who've already taken lead roles in directing our conversations, building our design and world documents, and keeping us pointed forward.-
Sounds like a pretty important job there. -
is there protest against Hostess now on the other side?
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Quote:yeah.Originally Posted by Terwyn
200 years or so after his death, to be precise.
Sometimes crazy people are wrong sometimes crazy people are right. But never know if no one listens to them.
Maybe we should have listened a little more to our own crazies and could at least tried preventing the shutdown instead of waiting until it was too late.
Now we have a splintered community, or what's left of it, civil war, cant talk about reality, cant talk about hope, cant talk about in between without someone jumping down ya throat, still only have speculation that are being passed around as fact under the guise as hope building.
If the community is walking into a new game whether COX is saved or Plan Z comes to the light like the way it is now, then it wont live up to the hype. It wont make it 8 years, it wont make money, and will not grow.
One of the best features of this game is how open to ideas the devs were, even those that many thought was initially dumb. Here, we got a side developing a game, but cant even be open minded enough to respect the other side ideas and views. How the hell are they going to deal with critizism about their hard work, other people ideas, and stuff that may not come from the exact inner circle? People talk about how disconnected the devs are in WoW, and CO are but looks like it may be the same for the new game that is being developed. Are they truely building a game for the players or building it as their own personal playground that they want to show off? WoW can get away with that type of strategy because it's huge now, and it wasnt known for that. Now COX was known for that, a unique thing in the gaming world, and from some posts, it is part of what kept people playing and why they continued to put their heart soul blood tears ideas into it. And this game lead by the closed minded is suppose to be the replacement of this game?
But hey, maybe people wont mind that aspect and will love the game anyways. But for the hype that has been put up they have quite a hill to climb. The must show impeccable customer service, must last more than a decade since COX was shutdown early and had Plenty of life left and that is one of the flak pieces against NCSoft, it must capture the spirit of the passing COX, yet it must be something new to draw in new and old players alike, and it must keep running, and dont forget updates, and thus it will have to make money.
And someone mentioned a smear smear campagn against titannetwork, funny that they should mention it but from what I can tell, no one here is going to the media trying to damage them, no one is trying to write articles to smear anyone, there really is not a single mention about titan network in a negative light much outside this forum, yet they are doing a lot more to NCSoft yet they deny they are running a smear campaign. I guess that person that said that havent been on titan forum in a while or something because if what we have here is a titan network smear campaign then what exactly would he call what is going on over there against NCSoft? Looks like what he is accusing some people here of doing except actually trying to smear them in anyway possible.
What that saying when someone complains about someone's bloody finger but their own hands are drenched in blood? -
Quote:nah he was also known for using his hand crafted microscope and recording the activities of bacteria and other. He is also known as the father of microbiology and the first microbiologist. died 1723. He discovered them in 1675, 17th century. Of course it took a few to get the word out. Of course antibiotics, and other things to stop diseases caused by bacteria didnt come until years later.Originally Posted by Starsman
Hmmm I may be quoting this VERY wrong, I just heard the story in passing, but I understand that guy didn’t discover microbes; he just figured they existed without any evidence... well other than an unknown cause (not unlike today's dark matter.)
Am I right to think microbes and bacteria did not get discovered until after this guy's lifetime? (too lazy to Google this up now.)
Also: being right is not always... well, being right. I read recently some famous astronomer said Saturn had rings out of pure guess from a bad decrypting about an entirely unrelated subject. Sure, he was "right", but he was not really "right." We can't entertain any plausible idea all the way just because it sounds scientific, not without some form of evidence
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Quote:yeah.Originally Posted by Angry_Citizen
You nailed it, but of course, it's always possible they're wrong. It was once thought traveling above the speed of sound was impossible. Today the problem is more about how we can travel five times the speed of sound and not crash.
Even the discovery of bacteria as cause of disease and not super natural force was met with skepticism, even though Leeuwenhoek had a good reputation with the Royal Society, and his credibility was highly questioned whe he submitted his studies and findings.
Turns out the crazy guy that says that illness is caused by small microscopic sized living creatures that you cant see without a special set of lens was right after all even though during his time period, his findings were highly questioned, doubted, and in some cases dismissed as a straight lunatic.
Most things and feats were at one time thought impossible or wrong that are known possible and proper knowledge today.
Hell, we even seen examples of that in game where majority pan an idea and call it impossible or never goign to happen and yet, we have it in game now. -
Quote:Ah yea I heard of that video game. And I think there are many other games named Fathom most seem to be those simplistic flash games or other free download things.Originally Posted by gec72
I believe it is spelled Fathom.
(I know, standard typo. Couldn't pass up the opportunity to reference another obscure underwater video game. )
Never actually played any of them. -
Quote:Wow that stuff could have been used as advertising points.Originally Posted by Maressa
That would actually make six then. I wrote about four others in my CoH article earlier in the week. The Guinness World Records site didn't have the two listed that you found in the book otherwise I would have happily included them as well. City of Heroes has done so much for the industry. It is just a shame others can't see that.
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So basically still all we have is hearsay, opinions, and speculation.
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Quote:Actually many times the apartments are demolished when people are still living in them of course not physically inside the building while demolishing is taking place.Originally Posted by JohnRobey
Hi E_L, Usually apartment complexes aren't demolished while people are still living in them, when the buildings are in reasonable repair, don't violate health codes or zoning statutes and produce revenues. (We were a stable, loyal customer base, not huge but not miniscule either, and produced revenues of around $10 million annually.) Sometimes buildings are preserved based on some noted historical significance. In any event, the analogy of buildings to MMORPGs is merely an analogy, and limited at best.
Lost of places in South Atlanta was demolished and shopping malls put in their place.
A few places East Atlanta, demolished while people was residing, and expensive condos were put in their place. Many of those people are now still homeless.
West Atlanta, Bankhead Courts, people was living there, demolished 2010.
It do happen and not all places get demolished were long abandoned unused buildings. It was places that people called home but due to money talking, they were kicked to the curb. And these examples were in basic health code regulation, and many besides one still remained residential and that one was switched to commercial after they kicked everyone out. And only the mall actually produced revenue after the fact. The rest was demolished and replaced with more upscale condos that the current residence could not afford. -
Quote:true.Originally Posted by Twisted Toon
The problem is, that some of the people that agree with NCSoft's decision to close CoH are actively attempting to dissuade people from putting any faith in Plan Z, or any other plan to get CoH back. Most of them are quite rude about it as well. We're not telling them that they have to put faith in Plan Z (or the other plans). I'm just telling them to stop telling us that the cause is hopeless.
I will decide when I will cease hoping for a desired outcome. No one else has the right or the authority to tell me otherwise. Really, that's what this whole "discussion" boils down to in a nut shell.
But on the other side, some of those plan z people have been just as rude if not ruder in getting their message across. Some people merely mentioned that Plan Z may not work and they are labled all types of negative names and then it get twisted into "oh you lost hope dont try to convince me to give up hope." or "So you are saying all hope is useless." When half the time that is not what anyone is saying.
You want to hope that is fine, that is good. But just because some people is not as enthuse, doesnt mena they given up all hope or is saying all hope is lost. Some people have a different way of looking at the situation and it's gets tiring when those Plan Z/Titan people seem to jump on and label anyone that is not sharign their exact view or definition of hope as trolls,NCSoft employees, people who is saying hope is useless and etc. And with that attitude here, of course people are going to get rude after a while. It's easy, respect those that may have a different view and most people wont bother you about the hope but when those people come in and ridicule those that dotn have as much hope as them and speak in absolute like "Oh you are saying all hope is lost and hope is stupid" when most that they slap that label on said no such thing, then of course many will fire back.
Just as you dont want to be convinced that hope is lost, stop tryign to convince people to hope more to ridiculing them even if they just so happen to think hope is lost. If you nor the others of plan z/titan cant respect their view, why the hell are they expecting people to respect they view when they dont show a single shred of respect to those that is not on their level of hope and havea different view about things? It works both ways not "give all respect to Plan Z/Titan and hopefuls while they down, insult, ridicule everyoen that offers a different view.
We both know that at this point that there is no convincing the other side to switch over but expecting one side to stop firing back and just take what ever label insult ridicule that come their way from the plan z/titan/hopefuls then that probably wont happen.
We would like them to to stop activily insulting anyone who offers a different view than pure hope. And just because it's not pure hope doesnt mean that they think that all hope is lost. Stop with the insults fro mthat side and I'm sure things will die down and be more civil. Stop trying to convince people they need to hope to TonyV and his circles standards or else they are saying all hope is lost and then people probably will stop trying to convince your group.
It either will work both ways or no way. But it probably wont happen just one way that only benefits that side while they continue to act in a negative and insulting manner to the other. -
Quote:Ad that is back to the main question. What exactly IS the value and that is assuming they are not making payments to cryptic still, which probably by this time they are not unless there is something else written between them where they do.Originally Posted by GadgetDon
OK, I forgot about "Book value".
Book Value is where you take the investments you've made in an asset, and every account period subtract some off for "depreciation". The depreciation is treated as an expense for the purpose of calculating profit and loss (thus reducing taxes).
I'd be shocked if the book value is very high. Unless you are running a loss on paper, you want to depreciate your assets as quickly as possible for the tax benefit. Unless they've got really incompetent accountants, any payments made to Cryptic during the creation of the game and the payment made to Cryptic to buy the game has been depreciated to zero long ago. The costs of developing the new project(s) probably are adding to the book value of those projects, but presuming that the sale would only be of CoH, not relevant. I suppose an auditor could dig in his heels and require NCSoft to book expenses for creating new issues as investment, but even so the money spent on bug fixing would be expensed as operating expenses and not add to the book value. The upshot is that I suspect the book value of CoH is very low. (Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault would have had significant book value.)
But ok, let's assume there's a million dollar book value for CoH. (Yes, I know they don't use the dollar in their accounting, but I'm an ugly American so will use my currency.) Let's assume they're able to depreciate 100K per year. And just for calculation, let's assume the tax rate is 25%. If so, then every year for the next ten year there's a 100K paper expense for the depreciation. reducing taxable income by 100K and thus reducing amount paid in taxes by 25K. So that's 25K in year one, 25K in year two (present value is 25K/(1+interest rate)), 25K in year three (present value is 25k/((1+interest rate)^2) ), etc. If 500K is pennies, what is 25K?
But instead, they sell for 500K. Book value is 1 million, so there's a paper loss of 500K. That means 500K goes into the account (no taxes on it because the transaction is a net loss) and they pay 125K less in taxes in Year 1. Even if you ignore interest, that's 625K for the sale (500K cash plus 125K in tax savings) vs. 250K for the pure write off (saving 25K in each of ten years). If you don't ignore interest, it's an even better deal. Plus, if they transfer Paragon Studios and had done the deal before everyone had actually lost their jobs (the people of Paragon Studios had remained employees for several weeks after the announcement, due to laws requiring advance notice of major layoffs), they wouldn't have had to pay severance pay and wouldn't be reporting all those firings which will raise their unemployment rate.
There is one caveat. Paper losses, depreciation, and other tax deductions are good if you are paying taxes. If there is no income, depreciation is just makes the loss bigger, and you can't pay less than zero in taxes. So let's assume NCSoft thought they would have a loss for the October-December quarter. The 500K paper loss doesn't give them any tax write-off. But it's still 500K cash for the sale compared to 250K lowered tax expenditures (and the 250K lowered tax expenditures are spread throughout ten years).
OK, I've probably bored everyone as much as I got bored in the classes (there's a reason I went into computer programming after graduation). But the suggestion that there's some tax writeoff advantage is highly unlikely. It would require a high book value for an 8 year old game, a loss in the quarter of the sale, and an accountant who doesn't know how to structure a deal so the loss is spread over several quarters.
And of course corporations tend to get very creative with this tax stuff and while on books it's may be 25% in reality they end up paying nothing by playing with those numbers. So it depends on how good their accountant really is. GE for example.
Then of course another thing that add value is how bad to buyers really want it. If I was selling a thing for 500k and the person buying it can easily turn around without any effort and break even and rake in about 1 million in profits that same year, that would seem low ball offer. If the buyer gets away with it, by all means, but if the buyer sees this, then it would seem that that the value of 500k is still too low.
For comparision I'm wondering what did NCSoft pay to get COX, when it was making about 27 million a year before expenses? Rumor of course said they paid a pretty penny, a penny that took about two years to recoup the costs based on soley what they raked in before the other expenses. So with the game making what about 3 million a year now, why would they sell it for less than a year worth of income for that game? Is the population dwindling? yes. Is it possible that players would not come back? Yep. There is risk. A risk that usually the buyers take. Did NCSOft know for sure they was going to be able to cover the costs in short amount of time? Probably not. It's an investment. At 500k it would basically be a gift to the buyer. Some deal you would give to a best friend or something. But then again, the IP might already be worthless, then there would be not much to gain on giving it away either.
While selling it gives instant money, 500k isnt much. They probably could save a hell of lot just by using the rights in future games instead of having to recreate it. One issue of COX release probably cost more than 500k over all to produce and with that ip comes 23 and a half of them. The work is already done. Work that NCSoft would then have to resproduce i nthe future if they get the need to whether it's ten years down the line or two years down the line or inserting Black Swan into Blade and Soul. If they sold for that little amount in the long run it would be a big mistake unless they are absolutely sure that unless hell freezes over they wont have any need for it.
Sitting a shelf to a buyer standpoint zero worth. It's just sitting there not generating income. To the person who bought it and have it, it might be worth more than zero just sitting there. Or else as I said earlier there would be no such thing as a discontinued product. Companies sit on IPs all the time. While we only can see their actions in the now, those guys are probably looking years into the future and wont intentionally put that future in peril over a few measly now bucks. -
Quote:hmmm.Originally Posted by UnSub
A good question to ask is, "Why is Brian Clayton & whoever else having in-depth discussions with VV when he / they know she's going to post up the summaries in the Titan Network forums?".
Or: why leak this kind of information?
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Quote:500k out of 1billion is 0.0005%Originally Posted by GadgetDon
And you keep saying 500K is pennies. No, it's not. It may not be the biggest inflow of cash - but if someone hacked into their bank account and transferred 500K out, they wouldn't consider it just "pennies" and let it go.
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Quote:They probably get more than that measly 500k by writing it off as a tax write off then selling it for what ever down the road if they chose to. Or better yet, they can get more than 500k from tax write off and keep it instead of taking 500k and having nothing.Originally Posted by GadgetDon
Traditionally, there are three types of valuation.
One is present value valuation. You calculate every dollar you'll ever get from it in the future, adjust those future dollars for inflation. Calculating the value this way obviously requires some assumptions be made - what is the future money you'll get from it, what's the interest rate. In 1981 I got a Bachelor of Actuarial Science degree, and I can B.S. about this all day. But sometimes the calculation is easy. The present value of zero future income is zero.
Then there's market value, the greatest price someone is willing to pay. Now, neither you nor I know what offers are coming in, but you seem to be working from the assumption that the highest offer they got was 500K. If so, then the market value of CoH is 500K. (If someone made an offer of 500K on signing the deal and 500K in a year, it would not be a 1M offer, the 500K would be divided by (1+interest rate). If the offer was, say, 500K plus 10% of all gross profits for the first four years, the calculation gets more complex.) (Damn I'm B.S.ing again)
Those are the two monetary forms of valuation. If your sole goal is maximizing assets, those are the two forms you use - and corporations exist to maximize shareholder value. So the only rational reason to turn down an offer for 500K is either you are expecting a higher offer or you expect future income that would exceed 500K. If I was an NCSoft shareholder, I'd want a really good explanation of why it was turned down. Because both with what NCSoft has shown it can do, and its history with other game IP, the argument that there will be an future value without a sale is farfetched. (Frankly, of the games they killed, if they were to pick one to revisit, I'd pick AutoAssault - it's still a mostly open concept, and more easily adopted worldwide.)
Now yes, for individuals, there's also emotional value. As I'm sitting here typing, I have a cat named Odis wandering around on my desk. Future income is probably zero, discounting a potential video sent to America's Funniest Home Videos. Market price would be very low, he's a mixed breed and nothing inherently different from him and a million cats in shelters. But he's my bud and he's not for sale, period. As an individual, I can do that, because it's my money. If, say, the CEO won't sell to save face or he's got some emotional attachment to the games he funded, he's funding his emotion with the shareholder's money, not his.
And you keep saying 500K is pennies. No, it's not. It may not be the biggest inflow of cash - but if someone hacked into their bank account and transferred 500K out, they wouldn't consider it just "pennies" and let it go.
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Quote:you missed the keywords there. I didnt say "they are" and "that was" the offers as people sayign about he offers that "supposedly" exists. I said I wouldnt be surprised if that turned out to be the case.Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
Now who's making outrageous assumptions? :P
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Quote:Well the credibility of the "otherside" information is not much better if not the same level as NCSoft. They are not exactly the most unbiased honest people around.Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
From another company it would be much more likely accepted. NCsoft's history in legal matters does nothing for their credibility when giving such a short answer.
Of course not on a legal standpoint.
But then again, if their reputation was that bad, why was it ok and generally accepted as fact of any statement they put out until aug 31st? Prior to that if anyone argued the credibility of NCSoft statements, they were immediately flamed. So what changed now? Not many including some of those that are now tooting how terribel reputation NCSoft has, wasnt making a single bit of fuss about it for years, that is until Aug. 31st and some of those same ones flamed people for bringing up NCSoft reputation over the tabula rasa fiasco. But since AUg 31st, the same statements they furiously flamed other people for over teh years, now everyone suppose to quote their bad reputation. Why is their reputation a problem now when it never was the entire time they had this game? There word was treated as final but now, since Aug. 31st it suppose to be treated like bs. I would understand more if that fiasco happened after aug 31st but that happened in what 2009-2010 Two to three years ago? Fine then why not now? -
Quote:of course I know what it means. You suggested it to be funny so you got a funny reply.Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan
Wow... Don't they teach you anything in school these days?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution
BTW, re the thread. Until the "people in the know" quit hiding what they "know", I'm calling BS on all of it. -
Quote:I'm starting to wonder if any offer, serious offer was made, or are they going there half butt then stating that NCSoft is ignoring them wrongly when their approach and possible offer was bogus to begin with.Originally Posted by I Burnt The Toast
The offer that was made by some guy who knows some guy? Or the offer by that person who knows someone who worked at Paragon? Or are you simply referring to the inquiry made by filing a support ticket? I get these "facts" all messed up
I wouldnt be suprised if their "offer" consisted of calling customer service and saying, "hey I'll buy the IP for $5." Then go over to Titan saying that NCSoft turned down a "reasonable" offer just to work people up in a frenzy over there. Or they probably sent the offer over facebook. Or thought about making an offer for $10 million then realized they didnt have ten million and assumed that NCSoft would ignored them anyways so just said that ncsoft ignored another reasonable offer. -
Quote:And who what when how was these offers peresented and made?Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Which has been offered. The offer was rebuked; as were all offers.
You know, especially prior to Aug 31st. If someone gave information with no source, including some of the people that just takes these things as facts, it would have been assumed to be false. Even today, by one person who gave out this information in the OP, when someone stated something about another poster, first thing was asked was evidence.
Hell even NCsoft released an officialy statement about the situtation, although a little, but more than what has been offered about the other side, yet that has been called bs. A statement from the company that has the IP and probably closer to the deal than anything. Yet, it's bs because they didnt say how they came to that conclusion. But any joe that says an offer was made, as long as it suits Titan in their campaign against NCSoft, dont need any evidence just hearsay and it's taken as fact.
I guess unlike everyone else who have to provide evidence to every claim they made on these forums, they are above that requirement because they are Titan Network huh. Very interesting, especially coming from a group that calls an official statement bs because NCSoft did not provide details but have not presented any details themselves. Rule dont apply to Titan network it seems. Even the rules they press onto others and the people there have pressed unto others here, dont apply to them. They are exempt and everythign they say and hear second third or fourth hand is supposed to be taken as fact.
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Quote:Careful or else the "cause" might work so well that no company/investor would want to do buisness with them and thus the IP stays on the shelf anyways due to lack of buyers when they are ready to sell.Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Give 'em Hell.
Let them know if this game dies, they will never be forgiven. -
Quote:I guess what ever gets people's hopes up.Originally Posted by Tenzhi
The major reason for bringing it up would be morale, I imagine. And it's not unusual to be able to mention that things are being done without being able to give details until things are more concrete - particularly if contract negotiations are involved. I'm not saying it's definitely real, just that there's a chance it could be - and if it is and it pans out, good on them. Of course, if it isn't real or it doesn't pan out - that's why I'm not emotionally invested in the outcome.
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Quote:yeah that. 200 billion was the market cap. My error.Originally Posted by Brillig
Actually 'only' 48.5 billion.
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Quote:500K out of billions are pennies and not everyone bother picking up every single penny on the street they see although it would add value to their pocket.Originally Posted by GadgetDon
NCSoft would only be nuts to let that IP go right now for 500K if it believes it'll get more than 500K value from it in the future. (Adjusted for inflation). If NCSoft puts the game on the shelf and never sells, it's worthless. The future income NCSoft gets from it is zero, which makes the present value calculation really simple - zippo. Again, don't spin out any ideas of someday they'll make CoH2, or relaunch CoH, or fund a movie or whatever, it's not in their wheelhouse and even if they try they'll just throw a lot of money away.
If the highest bid they can get now is 500K, it's not going to go up as time passes. Even if, a year down the line, they call the guy who offered 500K and said "We'll take it now" and the guy hems and haws and says "OK, 500K it is" (unlikely) inflation makes that less valuable than 500K now.
And it doesn't matter if they sell the IP for 500K and within a year the guy has made millions. They're still 500K ahead and it's as most ahead as they'll get. Business is about maximizing shareholder value. If NCSoft can maximize their shareholder value by 500K in doing a deal that increases the other guy's shareholder value by ten million, NCSoft has still done a smart deal.
(And if the game is so obviously profitable that anyone could make millions by running it - why the hell did NCSoft want to shut it down. You can't have it both ways, CoH was such a failure that the smart move for NCSoft was to shut it down and deal with all the termination expenses and yet it's such a sure-fire hit for anyone that anything less than a huge offer is ridiculous.)
Except... Mark wasn't in the process of shutting Facebook down and storing it on some backup computer tapes in his safety deposit box, Mark was continuing to improve Facebook and grow it and make it more valuable. Mark believed, rightly, that the present value of the future income from Facebook would exceed 15 million and he was right.
On a shelf, the future value of the CoH IP is zero. Which means an offer of "pennies" is paying over the value of not selling. And there apparently are no better offers or opportunities for the IP lying around.
Then again maybe they are just fine with it being worth zero. They dont seem to be hurting for cash and if no one makes an offer worth doingthe paper work over, then there would be no point.
I might have a car that is sitting outside paid for but dont drive it. Doesnt mean just because someone offer 100 dollars for it and that is 100 dollars that I didnt have, doesnt mean I'm just going to take it. For 100 dollars that car will just sit there then even though that car is not gaining value and probably losing value. If I was hurting for money and had a use for it, then yeah, I might entertain the offer.
15 billion. Did I say million. That was suppose to be 15 billion but yeah I think Facebook is worth a couple of hundred billions now.
and with the profit. I'm not sure if it was profitable or not but one of the dings being used against NCSoft is that the game was profitable and they shut it down so why would they entertain an offer of 500k for a profitable game?
But as you said, sitting the the shelf, the IP is zero, yes if they was intending on selling it. If not, then it might come in handy down the line and by keeping it, they will save millions by not having to recreate everything over again. It's already there.
But if an offer of 500k was actually made, then apparently NCSoft didnt think that offer was worth it either and thus didnt bite. It might be only worth 500k for the buyer or what ever couch change they just happen to have in their pocket, but it seems NCSoft thinks it's worth more than that. Value works in two fold, the value to the buyer, then you have value to the seller. When those number dont meet up, the buyer walks away empty handed while the seller or holder of the property still have their property and loses nothing. Not everyone go around chasing every relative penny that comes across their desk.
But who knows. Maybe NCsoft have future plans for part of or all of the IP maybe not but since they own it, they can do what they wish legally with it. If they want to sit on the IP even when it's worthless to a buyer than that is their choice to make. For all we know, NCSoft might not be able to sell the IP even if they wanted to and cant state the reason why to anyone just as the same reason the people who supposedly offered cant release the deatils of their offer.
If people went by that rule of "oh it's just worthless sitting there, then there would be no yard sells of stuff that been sitting in the attic for years, or cars that is sitting garages with a tarp over it that havent been driven in years and all products that ever been discontinued would still be on the market.
Many auto makes have been discontinued over the years but not many car makers go out and sell the rights to that product when they shelve it. Yet, it's worthless sitting in the vault. Yet it's only "strange" behavior when a gaming company like NCSoft decides to sit on an IP, although it's very common in the buisness world. -
Quote:I guess.Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
To keep more of the community intact until that can happen?
People are antsy, that much I know. And if there's something I've learned from standing in lines at themepark attractions, or waiting on results from commissions, lots of little updates generally keep people happier than waiting for one big one.
When you compare the experiences of people who are standing motionless in line for an hour, to those who have to wait an hour and a half, but the line moves every minute or so... the second group will feel like they've had to wait less time, because there is more perceived progress.
I've been both types of a line and still 1 hour or 1.5 hour whether the line moves or not still feel like 1 hour to 1.5 hours to me. Yet, the problem here is that people moved, but everyone is still standing in the same spot as before. Only thing that has made progress is time.
Updates also usually contain new information. So far there hasnt been any. Just the same old stuff since the first update.
Imagine in game updates were like this. "We have an update we addded villains." Then two weks later they say they have another update and it's "Villains have been added to the game." Then another week later they say they have a new update, "Villians have been added to the game." and etc. I dont think anyone would call that an update but just repeating of the old information.