Evil_Legacy

That is your way of understanding how that works but not how it actually works for me.

If he died, I would care. Would I grieve over the fact that he died? No. We already had that discussion between me and him. And as long as he understand it between me and him, do it matter whether or not you think because I dont grieve that I didnt love him or cared or such? Love and grief are two different emotions from my understanding. It seems that you view it as one emotion or two that cant exist without one or the other.

And if you rather be in game instead of here, is there something stopping you?

What about the people that you feel that have not as much feelings as you? I guess they dont count huh.

I think the yard bird has already came to roost with you it seems.

That seems to be the dilemma.

Only thing we can do is interpret the little information we have and as humans tend to to do, get 20 people in the room there will be 20 different interpretations. And until more facts come to light about the entire situation cant really say which interpretation is right or wrong and in the end, all 20 might be wrong.

Uhm yeah shouldnt go around crushing people's hopes and dreams for the hell of it.

Ah.

I was thinking re-incarnation.

Just because a person doesnt grieve doesnt mean they dont love. And in the quote above I dont see anywhere where I said I didnt love anything. Not sure how you got that out of that statement. And I'm not lonely at all. Actually I'm already married thank you.

No that is not what I'm saying at all. Although I feel that people are telling me that I should have an emotional attachment and Im suppose to feel like them and since I dont feel like them, I dont care about the game, I'm an NCSoft employee, and etc. No one is trying to understand me while I tried to understand them. Hey, they resorted to insults so I stopped trying to understand them just as they are trying to tnot understand me. They drew the lines of, people that want to join the COHTitan and everyone else that is a heartless ncsoft employee. So how am I suppose to try to understand them if they dont have the courtesy to do the same?

Just as you said, feeling like them, aint going to happen. I'm not going to fake it. And I'm not joining COHtitan regardless even if I was in grief over the game, I think they are not good for the cause but that is my opinion. But since I wasnt drinking the kool-aid, they didnt bother trying to understand me.

So as long as people wont try to understand me and label me things because I'm not attached to the game as much as they are, then how am I supposed to try to understand them why am I expected to keep trying if they wont even try to. See, I applaud you for trying to understand and I appreciate it, and many others could have simply done the same and it probably would of went something like this. But nope, they basically catergorized the people into two groups. Them vs the rest. And I made three posts saying maybe both sides can stop the nonsense and get back to the way that it used to be at least going out as one but think anyone even acknowledge it? Hell no. But as soon as some one says "well I dont think Plan Z is going to work." They are on those statements like flies on crap. Funny think is that many acknowledge that plan z may not work but since it's not one of them saying it, it's a problem. No one that I know of said that they hope that Plan Z fail and etc. or hope is stupid or have emotions or lack of like me or else.

Well I really dont worship or believe in any deity and approach todays' religion like Greek mythology. Mythology that at one point in time was an actual popular religion. Right now, the religions we have today, is what Greek gods were during ancient Greece time period in my mind. In those times, saying one did not worship Zeus probably got the same puzzled look at people today that say they dont worship God (or various other names).

Well, I'm not sure if the limited time frame is a deterrent for striving for anything applies to all people. Even outside me and my view, look, it's given now that the game is ending on Nov. 30th. yet people still are striving to get badges that they havent gotten yet, doing TFs they havent gotten around to or for some getting to level 50 knowing full well that it's ending. For some, it seems to increased the motivation now that time is short. Me, it's about the journey and all journeys msut come to and end. Some take years, decades, some a matter of minutes, and some end when the person is ready to get off, and some end rather abrupt and at any given time.

Not sure what Serenity is about though and what aspect of afterlife it touches on. It would be interesting with no belief in the afterlife but its not as abstract as it seems as some cultures even intoday's world do not believe in an afterlife and they get along fine it seems. It just seems alien to those that do believe in an afterlife. I seen how people reacted to that of their work being erased with a stroke of a pen. Yet, outside looking in, was it a bright idea to put their greatest heart and soul of work into something that could be gone wit ha stroke of a pen if that wasa worry and was not prepared for it? If it's worth that much I assume that they have that work locked away somewhere in a relatively safe place where it cannot go out the window with a stroke of a pen that they have no control over. And if not, why not? And who's folly was that truely was?

In a nutshell, we all are just the walking dead of a storyline that had the start and the end set. It's up to the person to fill in the middle but all of our stories end the same way.

That the problem that you are assuming there. I'm not using it as a basis for everyone else logic.
I'm talking about my logic, but it seems that it is assumed that because they have somethign to grief over, everyoen have somethign to grief over. Maybe everyone that they know grief over the loss of houses, cars, money, books, games, etc. but I am not one of those people. Justas they cant quite understand how I can not grief over anything, is the same way I dont quite understand how people grief. Like I said, I figured since a person knows the end is coming eventually why is it so hard when it gets here? I might just be missing that part of the emotion that most people have and thus, without the emotion stand point, it just dont seem logical to me.

I lost cars, one didnt have 1,000 miles on it. Walked away with a relatively small injury, broken arm but the car was toast. Did I mourn it? no. I liked the car. I just went and got another car. Well actually I didnt even get the same exact car. Got another one. One tenent burnt down one of the houses, the one that brought in the most. We had insurace there was no worries and will rebuild. Lost a job once, got another. Husband lost his job, once, he got another. Many pets come and gone, one of hip cancer. Didnt even know dogs could get hip cancer and had to make the choice of putting it down. Next day, got another. And so on.


Guess people have level of mourning and different view of mourning. There might be a person that believes everything is worth mourning over. Mine is very very...just isnt there. I've seen some people have all types of problems at funerals, I've seen some people dont even shed a tear whiel even a few funerals, a person or two fall asleep. And then alot of people in between.

dang. that sucks and is very awkward.

Glad you find my name funny, especially someone called bad-influence. lol.

Anyways, though there is nothing in this world I would grieve over. You know, Just got a phone call yesterday that a close immediately family died and the funeral is planned for the 26th. Now, I feel not a single bit of grief. And family is the thing I find important in this world. If I feel nothing in that case, what else in this world would I grief over. Family humans, I have an understanding that if a person is alive, it is all but guranteed that they will somedays die. That is my take and why would I be sad when they leave this crazy world? If anything I should be happy. My time I spent with them is good, but if they could live forever would we cherish the moments? Material things, can be replaced.

Nice try but I dont cry and grief when "toys" that are not even mine is taken away from me, but if you do, that is you and your grief to get over.

I dont consider myself a superbeing. I just look at things the way they are and dont pretend that something last forever. Not life, not relationships, not materials, nothing. So if I truely know that one day that these things will end or leave, then why would I grief when what I knew was going to happen one day, actually happens? You may not have that view but that is you. You might grief over a blade of grass dying for all I know and if your behavior is any indication of your behavior here, not only will you grief over anything that is taken from you even stuff that dont belong to you in the first place but will get angry at anyone that dont show as much grief as you do.

And of course my purpose here wasnt so you can be like me. If you choose to be or choose not to be that is not my worry.

Eventually, maybe not today, Bad_Influence, you will have to get up and drive on or you can stay on the ground curled into a ball and just waste away in your grief mad at the world because someone took away your game. Either way, I dont give a crap. It's your choice your life and someone will shed a tear, maybe. But if you find it that hard to continue life without this game, there is other way off this planet.

basically.

no no coyote had it but your example is a bit off. Your example sounds like "Oh I can have my views but anyone that disagrees is doing it just to disagree." Why cant it be that that they may not have the same view as you and just as much as the church person have a right to say there is a god, why cant someone froma different walk of life say there isnt a god? I have yet to come across two people who have the exact same thoughts, exact same experiencwe, exact same views, exact same way of thinking, even twins, have slight differences of likes, wants desires and etc. So why is it seem like an odd concept that someone may not believe in the exact same thing as you or your friends? And when they do why is it only because they are doing just to disagree? Are they not able to form views about the world as you? How did you form your view? Someone told you what to think, how to think, when to think?? Or is it from the experience of the world, what you have come across, what you have gathered and most importantly how you percieve your world around you?


This isnt church. this is public forum and basicially what has happened here with the closing of the game and not because they just disagreeing with them to be disagreeing with them and not saying the opposite any louder than what the other person said. This is like someone coming into a public place and sayign that god is real over and over again and finally someone just says, Well ma'am I dont think god exist. And the the god believer acts all offended and start name calling and damnation and brimestone. And the other person takes same position and back and forth. The nthe god believer states they are tired of being attacked by non-belivers when if looking at the situtation if they havent even said anythign about god, no one would even brought the subject up. Yet fail to see that people are tired of them in the same way about saying god is real. But bring a subject up often enough someone will talk about it and not everyone may agree.

Maybe he is maybe he aint.

Maybe the plan z will succeed maybe it wont.

Maybe Santa exists maybe not.

But either way, just as there is nothing wrong and dont want people acting like there is nothign wrong with believing, the other side of that would like that too instead of people acting like there is something wrong for not believing.

See about two things can happen. Either we can spend the rest of time arquing who shot first and who started it for the last 19 days and whos' right and who's wrong and how much should someone hope or what is too much hope and who is not hoping enough and etc go down the same path we are going. Which is a choice but if that is the path then "why" should no longer be a question. Or we can learn to respect each other view without trying to get people to either believe in the hope or not believe in the hope and at least have some semblemce of the good ol days of this forum before it's gone for good. But this is a choice that takes two sides, and I'm fine either way.

elvenhart? havent seen you in ages. Where you been?


Ever been to in a Santa Claus convo before?

You know how tiring it gets sometimes when someone constantly say Santa Claus is real over and over to the point where the other person just pips up and say "Santa claus" dont exist. and then it goes back and forth for a bit until the santa claus beleiver say, "you're just trying to crush everyone hopes and dreams."

Why cant a person be allowed to believe what they want without the santa claus believers pushing their view over and over?

Ok a person believe that Santa claus is real, the other person dont. ok.
But guess what, when santa claus is brought up again, for the 99th time, people will still say that santa claus is not real.

While hope is good, still dont force the hope and then wont have to worry about people "crushing" those hopes as they call it now. Just as much as they get that we "dont hope" or as some said to another "hate hope", it is just as annoying to have this hope talk and anyoen that dont hope must dont care about this game talk and basically anyone one that dont share that kind of hope is something negative. They dotn want to be judged but yet they judge. They dont want to hear the other view but yet, they make everyone hear their view. They dont want people to say negative stuff about their view, yet they say stuff about other people's view.

The question asked of what is wrong with having hope of that type? Shouldnt be nothing wrong with having hope of that type anymore than it being wrong to NOT have hope of that type.

That is what I'm getting at. Ok, so if the messed up, what are they to do now? So far anythign they said just made the situation worse it seems. When they made silent it made the situation worse. So thus far when they speak it's worse when they remain silent it's worse. What done is done and as mentioned with the racial comment thing, many dont want ti to be fixed, they dont care what is said next, they dotn give a hoot wha the person do to make it right the wrong, the focus is, that they did wrong and really no one even knows what would appease the crowd. Just as if someone made a racially charge statement, how do you make up for that? Just like the process of the game and those that felt jolted, how is NCSoft is to make up for that. Do those people that felt wrong even know what would make it better or are they so angry about the action that it wouldnt matter with the best course of action being what NCSoft is doing now and just waiting until it dies down.

Like the racial comment, the past comments, the past when people bolo, and when NCSoft boloed with the suddeness of the closure, with this crowd, there never was a phase when someone said, "Dang, I boloed." and it was left alone. Nope, people kept it going to the point that there is and nor was a point in appologizing in the first place.

Really what is there expectation of NCSoft to do right now? The game is closing in about 2 weeks, that is not coming back. So now what? Some said release more information as it dont seem to be that simple as even the representaive from one of the financial backers for the new project and attempt to communicate seems like he cant speak on what was the planned offer, if they got through, or the detail of what was said on his end, and his company probably is a lot smaller and closer than NCSoft. While realignment seems vague of a reason, it's not many times that corporation go into much details of what exactly this implies, for one, you think they want any of their competitors to get ahold of information that basically show what kind of moves they are making? And two if a person is not a stock holder, they even less information. Standard procedure. The suddeness, maybe that was bootleg, but now its done. But this community of those demanding answers come off as beign so angry they wont listen to anything so what I would do? I'd stay silent right now until it dies down, which probably be after the game closes and let it fade away from memory until it gets to a point when we would have no choice but to speak on the matter but by then, the blind rage would probably be gone and more of people looking for true honest answers. The way it looks and the campaign to try and hurt NCsoft in any way possible thing goign on their, I wouldnt say crap to them either. That would just bea set up to give them more fuel to twist it and make it look bad. Silence from a buisness, happens so often that no one cares anymore. Ask a company in an interview about anything and 90% of the time it's no comment or couldnt be reached for comment.

Planty of people talking about what Ncsoft did and such but none give any solution of how they would fix it while getting the game closing done.

yeah most buisnesses are going Facebook way and less traditional website way, at least as first priority these days. I'm not sure if it's over all good or not but hey, as long as Mark is making that paper.

Well I'll keep an eye on your company and see how things go. (looking as if I never even interacted with COHTitan) If you find more backings and once the financial stuff is done, next thing to do is clean up the hounds a bit and little bit of damage control while I'm sure many mean no harm, many do come off as brash, obnoxious, and a little bit off putting, and I'm talking about here on these forums or even on COHtitan. If I was a person, random person, that may be just another gamer, or someone that is checking out what's going on to invest or lend a hand, it's not helping. There is a way to be enthused about something and passionate without coming across as a blind raging rabid pitbull. While it's only a few that seem to not know the difference between the two, usually the people that is remembered and how and organization is remembered is by those those negative few.

Think about how much damage can be done if just one person came out and said something like to the media "Hey I work for Microsoft and I think all minorities should be wiped off the face of earth." Can you imagine the type of damage control Microsoft have to do before that label get stuck to Mr. Gates himself, even though I dont think he even actively works for Microsoft anymore. From one person out of the thousands to hundred thousands that Microsoft employs.

Right now, it's no big deal, word isnt out just yet, but with you searching for more financial backers, and they probably knowing people also and so on, and them aiming for more media exposure, they should really cool down a bit. Even political smear campaigns dont work always in favor of the person doing the mud slinging. Lot of times, it back fires.

If that is complete case then there shouldnt be much ill feelings as there is now towards this closing process. Seems to be that many people believe different.

I mean how many people here can honestly say that they can drop down in Korea right now and run a successful company the Korean way of doing things, I mean right now. Or how about Cambodia? Anyone know how to run a buisness with Cambodian clients and the Cambodian way?

Beleive it or not, the American way is not very easy to grasp and get a hold of. We are one very flighty and fickle player base and probably some of the hardest to work with and sometimes come off as loving one thign one day like we will do so forever and then not a drop of interest the next day. Of course it's easy to those that have been in America all of their life, and probably never been beyond the highway that circles the major city. But imagine being dropped into Kazakhstan and expected to do it their way or else? How many would know exactly what to do and not to do right this moment and run a buisness there and knwo what the the players there want and need, while at the same time, making buisness decisions. Or better yet, boss says that one branch has to go and you're an American based company. Do you fire your American employees and possible gain the ire of your fellow countrymen, or do you shut down the Kazakhstan area? And when you shut down the Kazakhstan building, how would you react if they was highly pissed off and went off on a smear campaign and probably seemed so hostile that no matter what you said it would only make things worse. What you do to make it right when you did a shutdown the American way but that was totally disrespectful to them?

It's easy to understand the side we stand on but is harder to understand the other side. But when that happens, ten times as much progress can be done then keeping the division.

qft

hey, not saying you are not good at what you do and such, but would like more information about where this information that you speak of exist. I type the name of your company in, and get nothing much, but your website. No ratings, no international ratings, and such. I might be just looking in the wrong place. Point me in the right direction.

Well I'm glad he apologized and all, and ocrrected the mistakes but if the shoe was on the other foot, it would have been made a big deal.

Lets say if I would of said what Terwyn said. No matter what is said after that, the people would say I'm a racist and for days that comment would come up, and some of those exact same people that brushed Terwyn statement off as a mere slip up (which probably it was) would be on my case for days and say that anyone who says it wasnt a big deal is also racist. And it would have been a debate that sprung up out of nowhere. It would have been because of the comment.


Now on the other hand, it's no different than what many players have been acting towards NCSoft. No matter what they say they are still a terrible company. No fun when it's applied to someone that wants to make it right but it wont. It's that way of thinking that was no problem when applied to other posters, NCsoft, and other comments but now that same logic is all of a sudden a self fulfilling prophecy when it's used on one that is composed up of a group that been doing it for years to other players.
While it may not be right, but hopefully now they understand what they been doign to other people over years feel like now and no longer support or perputrate that type of behavior on others.

Although most of those that they refused to let go of in the past was lot more minor than a racist remark.


What is that saying, what goes around comes around. And sometimes it takes it to come around before a person gain understandign of how it feels to be on the other side.

lol.

lol. yeah. That is probably more of the case there.

actually not talking about that one. I remember that one too.


I'm talking about the one where I said that I wouldnt mind seeing a few people around here die in a fire if given the opportunity.

You didnt see that one?

Then a lot of these mechanics around here would be locked up by now if that is how it worked.

Crazy in a sense that they would think that but not clinical crazy.

sounds like something I posted not too long ago.

Although the usual people that attempted to jump on my case do not seem to be flocking here like they did when I said it.