Electric-Knight
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Quote:I'm really not sure why you're reading those things out of the things I have said, but I'll just let it all stand there.Originally Posted by Fire_Away
Ok, I get it. You're angry (still) because the time is near when you can't play CoH any longer. You are emotional and said so (and there's nothing wrong with that right?) because you have been "wronged". And it's perfectly clear in your head who deserves to be blamed for it. No need for anyone to restate the obvious (PS isn't perfect, pfft) or cloud the issue with hard data or well founded speculation developed over years. You have it all down pat... the profitability picture, the community make-up, subscription data and projections, the internal "politics", what was tried and what wasn't and how this whole thing on that fateful Friday should have never happened... and how once it did happen, the best way to "turn it around" (We are heroes! This is what we do!). Congrats! Me?... well I'm a little angry too... just not as smart... or at least not as presumptive in either the fault or recovery department.
Couple of other random thoughts FWIW. (1) If one person influences thousands (and I'm not disputing that for the purpose of this question). Why wasn't this "great" community able to force multiply the subscription numbers so that there would be no question of CoH's survivability? and (2) A bomb was dropped on the players on that fateful Friday; no question about it. But given the player demographics and trends, the way the devs (understandably and necessarily to put food on the table) jumped ship, the way many players jumped ship, and dozens of other factors wasn't the fate of CoH pretty much sealed at that point (all emotion aside)?
Honestly, your post reads as though you're a bit angry. I honestly can't follow what you're saying as it relates to anything I've said. It's all good though (seriously).
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Quote:Probably because all development and production was cancelled on that very same day of the announcement.Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Really? They didn't say "we're going to shut your game down" but they said instead "we shut your game down"? Are you sure that's how it happened?
If that is so, how is it that I'm logged into that game currently. I wouldn't be able to do that if they had already shut it down.
How is it that the announcements and statements I've read were talking about the shutting the game down in the future and not as something that had already happened?
I understand why you thought you found an error there, but Ogi was actually correct.
The game was shut down the day of the announcement.
Account services, purchases, development, production... all shut down on that day as opposed to a timely proper ending.
Beta left to rot. A few folks remained as a skeleton crew, but the functionality of several aspects were ceased immediately (and then shored up a bit later so that box codes wouldn't even work to get people VIP any more).
So, I'd imagine that is how.
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Awww...
You all are a bunch of lame jerks!!!!
Haha, I had to go for that punchline... my apologies!
I am glad that the ramble was enjoyed/appreciated by someone. Likely preachin' to the choir, but it's always nice to know that we're not alone.
Thank you all! And, please, keep up the good work.
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Quote:Hahaha! Yay! Congratulations!Originally Posted by Laylarei
Omg yay!! twirls then falls over dizzy
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On the other hand... The Danger Room and the fight at Jean Grey's parents' house (plus more fights later on) were some of the best comicbook fights I'd ever seen in a movie theatre.
It's weird, really; My brother, my wife and I all really enjoyed X-Men 3 when we saw it in the theatre. On second viewing on DVD, all of the terrible melodrama and plot holes and sappy Wolverine (yeah, I hated how they approached his puppy love for Jean Grey right form the first movie) stood out more than anything.
Just one of those things, I guess... something about our moods, the movie and all of that totally entertained us that night.
Still... the scene near the opening with a young Angel cutting off his wings was another one of those perfect X-Men Movie grabbing openers to convey what it's all about (mucking up character histories aside).
I also enjoyed 1 and 2, but both of them also have very questionable to bad elements. Not as bad as 3 and I enjoyed those two as well, but still... none of them have been anything close to perfect.
As for major alterations from the X comics to the movies, I've always just considered them completely alternate universes and was surprised at how many people had a problem seeing it that way considering the X comics alone had so many iterations and universes.
That being said... some changes/representations were really bad (not because they were different - I'm actually not much of a fan/reader of the X-Men stuff and not familiar with a lot of it - simply because there were some bad choices).
Cyclops was totally wasted as a character and turned into a completely unlikeable dick. I thought that was a real shame.
Gah... Berry as Storm just did not work for me at all. It's hard to pick what was worse though... her or her wigs (let's not mention the lines).
My least favorite thing and biggest gripe with X1... Sabertooth... WTF! Not only did he look stupid, not only did he act stupid, but they used such a significant character in Wolverine's world as a pointless henchman? C'mon! Even us not-so-big-fans know enough from the tv cartoons that this is a stupidly jarring idea, haha.
Anyway... sorry, just felt like spouting all of that out!
As for this... I am very intrigued by a Days Of Future Past movie... Although, I'm a little bummed when I saw mention of it being the new cast and not the ones from the first three movies. Now I am confused with what they are going to do with that.
Seeing them in X3 against a Sentinel was a great tease and something I'd love to see on the big screen for "real".
EDIT: One other thing about X3... Beast. I don't know, Kelsey Grammar had part of it down and it seemed almost right... but the way he walked and moved and such seemed so stiff and wrong. In the end, he really came off as someone in makeup and masks and such, instead of truly being Beast. Beast is another character that I wonder if he isn't best being done CGI (done well, of course... I have similar thoughts with regard to the ever lovin' Thing, but that's another story).
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LMAO, that's crazy... because the same thing just happened to me!
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"couldn't"? or you just didn't feel like rolling the dice hundreds of times in order to get one, eh? Of all the lazy...
Me too...
My number is 2
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I just saw this post sitting in my drafts folders and figured I'd post it... unlike so many other rambles that shall remain in the un-posted draft folder cemetery...
I've (surprisingly) received a few comments and compliments about my general positive nature on the forums. I guess they weren't looking when I was complaining about gating costumes and exclusivity or about when they had temporarily removed Mystic Fortune's prompt (yes, you heard that right, heehee)... I'm just teasing though. I do try and approach my time here as considerately as I can (no one is perfect though, nor should they try to be; imperfection is the beauty and reality of life).
Seriously, after a quick bit of contemplation on it, there's a very simple reason why I try to be polite and fair and positive on these forums (and I attempt to carry this through all of my interactions, in all walks of life)...
(severe understatement follows):
Life can be hard. All on its own, with no help from anyone. Life can really be frickin' hard and hand anybody some terrible, lousy and bad stuff without a moment's notice. You never know what anyone you are dealing with may be going through or may have gone through.
Is it really so much to ask to treat everyone with the consideration that you would if you knew they'd just been delivered one of life's atomic-gut-punches? I, personally, don't think so. I can handle the minimal energy it takes to treat people kindly (while I'm still rather upfront and straightforward, mind you).
Whether it's an illness, a disability, an injury, the death of a loved one, financial problems, abuse of many kinds, even just as simple as a really bad frickin' day... why would I ever, especially on a video game forum where we all come for fun (or information about our fun pastime, at least), want to add to that person's bad time? I want to help make that person smile, even just a little. Sometimes that's the only damn thing that you have to make things just marginally better for a brief moment... but smiles and laughter are grade-A priceless and powerful.
Anyway, I am no grand hero of internet positivity, hehehe... and I don't mean any of this to come off as egocentric (although, how could I know and prevent that if it truly is, muhahaha?) and I am certainly not acting like I truly live up to being some paragon of awesomeness... lol (not in this regard, at least... b'dum pshh). I just felt like it might be worth saying and might spark some positive thoughts in people's minds or even just be an interesting slant for some people to read/consider.
Have you ever been in a line of traffic and you let someone (or a few cars, even) pull out of a sidestreet or parking lot in front of you? Every once and a while, you'll see the obvious signs of someone who really appreciated that. I mean, it's a little silly... it's really no big deal if I am a few car lengths further back and slightly more delayed than I would have been if I hadn't let them in... but they wave graciously and smile big... and, best of all... if you stick in the same line of traffic long enough, you very well may see them let some cars in as well (Ack, I now see the failure of my plan... I end up great multiples of car-lengths behind if I had not let the others in front of me! Oh noes, lol).
So, yeah... besides being polite and considerate... I attempt to throw in a large splattering of humor (whether anyone else likes it, I don't know, but I enjoy it, lol... Ahhh, the wonderful power of smiling, hehe). You better understand, I'm here to be entertained as well... so, yeah, sometimes it may come at your expense, but I'll leap to making up for it if I mess up too much!
Yours truly, Electric-Knight, Esquire
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The NCSoft Cat says:
I have exhausted all efforts to give a ####!
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Thanks, Ogi. I honestly wasn't certain how I might attempt to state/explain what seems an obvious truth. I don't intend any insults with that statement towards those who posed the questions, but I honestly couldn't come up with it in the span of time I had to respond here, in-between working on other things.
E.L., as for your questions regarding how better could they have done this... The main point is that the situations didn't warrant it being done. They have the right to do it under any circumstances they want, but nothing short of the game truly suffering financially should have called for the termination of it and the community surrounding it.
What scenario are you painting in order to make the closure a requirement?
As for the handling of the situation, require or not... the game's earnings, legacy and current (at the time) activity and excitement level called for forewarning, time to plan and produce better fitting exits and a respectful handling of both employee and customers (i.e. not firing them and ceasing all work in one day and allowing players to return to VIP and have proper goodbyes with their characters and the game).
None of this seems like it really requires explaining!
It's pretty bleeding obvious what they botched.
Only... you keep suggesting it is not botched, because they didn't have to be nice about it at all.
Well, being people of respect and care, our feedback as that is pretty awful of them.
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Despite my inner urge to choose my number myself, I rolled the dice to get the number:
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Quote:Originally Posted by Llydia
Wow, threads like this remind me how much I'm going to miss these forum boards and the great people who post here! *group hug* Thank you for being so fun and good-natured, everyone!
This, so very much.
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And... my dice have chosen number 53!
And the DICE spake, saying, "Fifty Three, no more, no less. Fifty Three shall be the number thou shalt post, and the number of the posting shall be Fifty Three. Fifty Four shalt thou not post, neither post thou Fifty Two. Fifty Five is right out."
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Babbling a bit too much above...
To put it simply, the game (just like every other game out there) was good enough, profitable enough and healthy enough to continue under any other examples of companies and games out there.
NCSoft just decided they weren't going to do it any more. And destroyed it and everything surrounding it very quickly.
NCSoft did it. Saying they are responsible for this is not calling them the devil, no matter how much people who want to demean others may wish.
Citing reasons why NCSoft destroying all of this as reasons for why NCSoft is not the devil is looking at things backwards, just like assigning blame to the victim, instead of the wrong-doer.
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Quote:Thank you for asking, because you clearly totally missed the point, intent and meaning (which is a two way thing, granted).Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
If you were not calling them the devil, then what exactly were you trying to insinuate?
People offered their critique of CoH, citing it as brave/bold reasons why CoH may have deserved to be shut down and counters against why NCSoft was not the devil.
What I replied with was an attempt to show that citing these reasons (beyond not being bold or brave at all, I mean, c'mon, heehee), is reversing blame.
The game wasn't shut down because they did this or that wrong (that we know of... it may have been, as someone else has mentioned earlier, something personal... we have no real idea about those particulars... regardless), the game was shut down because NCSoft realigned their focus. This awesome game, this active community and all the reasons why everyone was here was simply collateral damage to whatever reasons they had.
All of this could have continued, under another financial umbrella if need be.
Whether or not it is "right or wrong" has no bearing on whether or not we dislike it.
There's no reason that brings us betterment for its sudden, unexpected closure. And that's fine.
Trying to come up with supposed justifications for this is simply assigning blame to the product (sometimes even the community) instead of simply leaving the blame where the truth points it to.
It's fine. NCSoft is clearly willing to take the blame. So, no need to defend their decision. They decided to axe it, axe the Paragon Studio employees and destroy this online community. Nothing evil about it, but that doesn't make it a good thing and that doesn't mean that anyone has to like it.
So, again, all I did was reflect back what the person I quoted had said.
They were basically comparing the game to perfection and pointing out that it didn't match up, therefore... we can all see the reason within NCSoft's decision to end all of this.
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Quote:Seriously just stop, lol... I never once said they are evil. Never mind all that you go on about it in there.Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Well could it continued? Sure but apparently the ones with the power to decide didnt think so.
But I do not see how calling NCSoft the devil is intelligent. Well you have your mind made up that NCSoft is evil incarnate and dont look like there is anyway to change that. Just as looks like NCSoft made up their mind to shutdown a game, that they probably have reason to in their eyes. To them it probably was llogical to keep the game going and havent heard a good reason to change their mind assuming if thier mind could be changed but when you put a closed mind, against another closed mind, nothing is goign to change and thus COX will still fall. Cant expect the other side to see your view if ya not willing to attempt to see the other side view.
And just as you said that you said what you said and stand by it, I dont see why NCSoft is so evil for doing the same thing basically you doing. They made a decision and they stand by it. Yet you still argue the point against it but your words are suppose to be final because...
But I never said COX was perfect just stating what I seen said about COX compared to other games. You already said that COX is not perfect and I said COX is not perfect so how is that arguing against your point? -
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Quote:Originally Posted by Llydia
I am accused of reviving a long-ago enjoyment?
Well, then: Guilty as charged.
/em fancybow
Actually, after November 30th, I hope to find some reasons to roll some dice. Back to table tops for fun unadulterated by corporations.
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Quote:Haha! Yeah, it has been a long while since I've used mine as well.Originally Posted by Llydia
Hehe, kind of fun, eh, Electric-Knight? I haven't used my dice bag in years. It's been fun having a no-pressure use for them again.
GreatRock, wouldn't want that! Don't worry, Electric-Knight and I will roll enough dice for everyone.
I keep going to reply with a guess, but then think "but what if my dice pick the right number?", haha.
P.S. All your fault.
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Quote:Notice I did not put a person into the analogy I gave, because comparing that aspect would be absurd.Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Assuming they wanted to sell in the first place.
So why is NCSoft the devil? And not other buisnesses? I dont see this as a person to person victim comparision. More of a buisness decision where there are no victims. So why is NCSoft the devil and anyone who doesnt say that NCSoft is the devil basicallly is saying that someone with a short skirt deserved what came to them? I dont think it's black and white like that. I dont think NCSOft is the devil nor do I think that woman wearing a short skirt deserve to be assaulted. With that compararison it kind of attempt to put anyone that agree that NCSoft is the devil in a box of supporters of assualt against people that wear short skirts and kind of trivialize the matter of assault, a serious crime. Compared to closing down a game, normal buisness decision that is at worst, bad customer service.
This is what I been talking about. Just because a person dont jump on the "hate COX" bandwagon, they are always something negative. Now we support violence against short skirt wearers too. What's next? We support Al Queda if we dont join the hate and smear NCSOft campaign?
With the fault thing, well many have been holding COX up as the perfect infallible MMO for a while now. What comparision was expected? It seems like many think that any game compared to COX is hopelessly flawed. A game sucks if it's not like COX. If it's not like COX and the way COX does it, then that game is flawed and etc. It would only be natural after a while that it may be compared to perfection if people have held COX up as if it's was the absolute perfect game with no faults or any fault that it did have was ver minor and should always be over looked while other game faults are absolute deal breakers.
Notice also that "NCSoft is the devil" is in quotes.
Take away all of those misfires against what I said and you can see the truth in it.
People claim they're being bold and brave and smarter for saying that the reasons CoH were shut down was because it wasn't perfect...
And that is intelligent arguments against the fact that NCSoft shut a profitable game down very suddenly?
I'm really not gonna get pulled into anything further... I said what I said and I stand by it. You either get it or you don't.
So, you're arguing against a ridiculous extreme that CoH was perfect (that I've not seen said)... Good luck and bravo for that, hehe.
This is continued ridiculousness.
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Quote:Another reason to keep them at the end of a very long stick, eh?Originally Posted by Black Pebble
True story, I'm mildly allergic to carrots.
No idea how mild it is. I don't eat carrots to find out.
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I was gong to choose myself, but Llydia's got me hooked on using my dice (no picture again though)...
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Quote:You fail to detect any traps within the locking mechanism...Originally Posted by Llydia
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That's hardly brave or out there commentary... It's nothing that wasn't repeated often enough before August 31st.
The pointlessness of saying it now is that the game's end did not have to happen because of such things. NCSoft decided to end it (and end it the way that they did), full stop. It could have continued (with profit), it could have been modified for more profit and (I'm pretty certain) it could have been sold.
Citing any other reasons why NCSoft is not "the devil" is akin to saying that CoH's skirt was cut too high and it shouldn't have wandered into the neighborhood it did if it didn't want to get attacked.
CoH was far from perfect. We could enumerate its faults and any and every mistake made. However, doing so amounts to holding it up against perfection and declaring that its demise was inevitable because it wasn't perfect.
Just seems silly to me.