Electric-Knight
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Quote:Zero worries! And thanks!Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
Some hours after responding, I began to fear I had misinterpreted you in this very manner. Apologies!
It honestly gave me a good, genuine laugh and I was not offended (as I could certainly see the jump and it is not like we really know each other).
They're big issues of mine as well, so I understand... and we are all susceptible, now and then, after all - no matter how far above it we may think we are, hehe.
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Quote:Haha!Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
You... scare me... when you're on one of your highs-- though the attitude meshes with your forum avatar rather nicely
I often find extremes are more closely related than the expanses of mediocrity!
And thanks!
And it is only through my extreme optimism that I get to experience how much everything sucks! -
Quote:January 23rd!!!Originally Posted by ThePill
Wait, isn't Chinese New Year soon?
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Quote:Okay, that got a split-second-delayed laugh out of me!Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Biker, constrution worker, cowboy, soldier?
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Quote:Haha, what I meant was...Originally Posted by Lothic
Eh, I like a huge majority of what this game provides.
I simply don't smoke enough of whatever you're smoking to pretend I could like -everything- in this game.
In understanding that anything and everything is not for everyone... Appreciation can be had for the fact that they did the work to make someone happy!
Not that I or you or anyone will actually enjoy/like that specific costume piece... but that we can all enjoy the fact that the team did work that was appreciated by whatever fraction of players do like it.
It requires a bit of unselfishness... But, ya know... I was thinking positively.
The only thing I'm smoking is love!! Breathe it in! It's all around!! 
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Quote:And when you learn this, you can like it all!Originally Posted by Lothic
When will people learn that basically -anything- the Devs do will only be liked by a fractional subset of the playerbase?
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Quote:Was somebody calling for us?Originally Posted by Chyll
foul. I call foul...
Wait, are there rules?
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Quote:I very much agree!Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
"There are two versions of the female hat, one where you can color the red and the gold, while the hair stays black, and one where the gold stays, but the red and the hair are tintable."
This is exactly the sort of optional version we want. Glad to see you are listening
I'm also glad to see the sword will be included for Katana as well as Broad Sword... But I do wish that you'd done that for the great Barbarian Sword as well! You still could, ya know!
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C'mon... Stop it, guys...
That was my dad's name!!
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Quote:Originally Posted by kal
I have no idea what's happening here.
But if everyone else is posting in this thread, I will too.
Look everyone! It worked! WE GOT KAL!!
Now... Execute order 66.5937!!!!!!!!! -
For whatever it is worth (and not to discount anything anyone has said), "toon" was used within the SWG playerbase in 2003. And the same debates and disagreements happened on those forums as have played out in this thread.
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Quote:It's all in a day's work!Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Quote:Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Please let this thread die and stop posting here.Quote:Originally Posted by Tater Todd
Ok.It had to happen eventually.Quote:Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
No, seriously. I think Blue Centurion is right.
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Quote:One of my all time favorite quotes...Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
C.S. Lewis does not agree with you, and I'm on his side.
"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
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The only difference is what your fans think...
(And actually, that is what EU Damz focused on, hehe.... but we're all somewhat ignoring that!).
Personally, I'm waiting for this whole incarnate thing to play out more before I can really get the right idea for what an incarnate character is or isn't.
So far... it's just been some upwards adjustment for Electric-Knight's powers, but nothing that has set him that far above anything he already was. Once I see how more of the slots and powers play out, I'll see if only super super super cosmic-level characters will be getting them or not!
I'm not thrilled with the presentation so far, but we'll see what the new Dark Astoria brings... things may get much more fun and interesting for me!
Quote:And this was the winning reply, of course.Originally Posted by Shadow Ravenwolf
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Quote:Holy incorrect leap there, Wing_Leader!Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
I find that rather tragic, actually. You (normally) like a word that has come to be accepted in academic, legal, and scientific circles as a general term for a virtual character (or whatever serves to give the player agency in a virtual online world), and it falls into disuse by you because "people" think it is pompous. This is, to my mind, a clear example of the anti-intellectualism I alluded to elsewhere. The prevailing social climate seems to be that If you don't cozy up to the lowest common denominator (slang), and instead choose to put your intellect and education to (public) use, you are a pompous ***. Sad, sad, sad.
Hehe, I do absolutely understand what you are talking about, but please, spare the "tragic" commentary, because I only said that my usage of it seems to have dropped off... And believe me, after I typed that I realized I'd have to remedy that... Still, I did not say that I stopped using it and I certainly didn't stop due to any peer pressure.
Trust me. You don't know me, hehe, but you don't have to explain anti-intellectualism to me and you don't have to think that I bow to it in the slightest.
Honestly, I've been fighting against it for my entire adult life (and longer than that) and it is a giant constant in everything that I do *personally and professionally (to my detriment... as well as to the opposition, hehe).
It's just funny to see you talking about it like that, because it is quite ironic! Still... We all have to keep vigil on such things and make sure we do our part in upholding that which we believe in, so I do understand!
Regardless of the mistake in this particular instance, I fully agree that it is sad, sad, sad, because it absolutely does happen in great amounts and quite frequently.
It has been a mainstay of this society for a long while now and I hope to see it countered and overcome.
However, I do not see having the choice of character, toon and avatar as anti-intellectualism. I see each and all having a place and I enjoy having and using a large vocabulary and options for my brain to use based on whim, context and specific differences. -
Quote:HeheheOriginally Posted by Captain-Electric
Well, you're obviously not included in the "Many people..." he's arguing with, such as DarkGob, Hyperstrike, Organica and others who've said literally or to paraphrase, "Good grief, really?" to the entire debate, for whom one word is not worth this voluminous discussion (you folks would love the Phrontistery). And though I'm inclined to agree with them, I do hold my own usage to higher standards.
Yeah, I'm not sure I'd classify all of those in this thread as not caring, as they have had a good deal of replies in here and are just simply trying to explain their view of it against some people who have a rather harsh judgment of it.
Regardless, I do understand what you are saying and if I come off strongly it is only the way I tend to word things and not so much how seriously I am taking this discussion to heart.
I don't recall the original usage being inherently derogatory though. It always seemed to be somewhat in the same place it is now... where some people seem to find it to be derogatory, but others just feel like it is an appropriate term (somewhat in a casual or endearing way, really).Quote:Electric-Knight, part of what we're seeing here is a transition from "Happy" to "Happy", 1950s style, if you know what I mean. It's incredibly amusing, enlightening and frustrating all at the same time, to hear you say that "toon" is perfectly acceptable and not derogatory at all to you, when my experience (again, November 1997 ) supplies me with a history of the term that speaks otherwise, very much so. But this would not be the first time that people have taken a derogatory slang term and worn it proudly on their sleeve, only to see its original implication eroded by doing so. I imagine that "Toon", for you, is a very innocent and colorful word. Good for you, and I mean that, too; I don't think this is the worst thing that has ever happened to modern language. (It's still a silly, childish word to me, and my characters are too good for it. LOLOLOL. )
I see it very much like "kids" instead of "children". Of course, there are some who dislike that usage of "kids"... Hehe!
"Knuckleheads" instead of "my team of scientists".
Honestly, I just like having a variety of words to choose from, as opposed to just using "characters" or their individual names.
I've always most liked avatars (although, that seems to have dropped off in usage for me). And it is exceedingly funny to me that multiple people have mentioned the use of "avatar" as seeming too pompous.
So, by some people's estimations, I am too pompous and, by others, I am too simplistic!
That actually works fine for me, as I don't feel too comfortable if people of varying tastes don't take offense with my opinions. It's about the only way that I know I must be doing things well.
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Focus on the tangents... they will be interrupted with important game information that comes up!
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Quote:Hehe, a somewhat fair summary of things, except that it completely goes against the fact that I happen to be someone who cares a great deal about words and proper usage and such as well...Originally Posted by Captain-Electric
I think it's giving them undue credit to call them "supporters." People like me and you don't use "toon" or other sillyspeak because we think about words and their meaningfulness, maybe a little too much. Many of the people you're arguing with Just Don't Care, and that's not the same thing as Support. Not in the apathetic sense, but in a more practical sense that I don't think I'd have the heart to wage war on them for. If a spoon was closer than a fork for their eggs, they'd probably just grab the spoon. Special people like me and you go looking for the fork. Who's more of a nutcase? Like you, I've never used "toon", and I've been playing MMORPGs since November of 1997. The only difference between us is, I only hold myself to my standards, whereas you appear to lord yours over everyone else. The problem with doing that is, you'll begin to veer away from Blueside territory into Coleside territory, if you know what I mean.
I am also someone who holds a great deal of depth, importance and seriousness with my characters.
The fact is that I do tend to use the term "character" for my characters (if I were referring to them in such a manner)... However, I also use "toon", including in actual verbal/spoken usage.
The real difference is in the thinking that "toon" is somehow a trivial, incorrect, childish, uncaring or -whatever else anyone wants to paint it as- term.
I don't see it as that and it is not because I don't care much about such things as being well spoken or the correct usage of a language.
I simply see it as an appropriate and acceptable term.
So, perhaps there is some other difference that we could find if we dig deep enough.
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Another aspect of this, for me, is the context in which certain words may be used.
I am the sort of person who may say, "Pardon me, but I do not think that what you are currently doing is entirely appropriate" in one instance...
Or I might say, "Oi! What the **** do you think you're doing? Cut it out!" in another instance. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Boo hoo hoo! You have trivialized someone's self-important pedantry!
For shame!
I would like to apologize...
However, I have an irrational hatred of doing so!
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Quote:A few people have mentioned it is an aspect that leads them to use it...Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
In large part, the supporters of the term have been arguing here not that they have any particular love for "toon" itself, but rather that they use it out of convenience because it's easier, shorter and more expedient than the alternatives. They're using it for the same reason people use "Mr." instead of "Mister" or "LOL" instead of "I just made a joke, ha ha, aren't I funny?"
However, an influence on choosing its usage is different than the nature of its origin.
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Hardly!
I think "toon" is a fitting tribute to the interesting work of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" (more importantly, it is an interesting take on a realm that only just recently became a larger part of our regular days) which is worthy of the legacy contained within the usage of the word.
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Quote:No, no, see, this is where the haters of the usage of "toon" are making a mistake.Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
For me, "toon" isn't really the problem. It's a symptom of a problem:
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It is not akin to text speech and abbreviations. It is actually slang, if not simply an appropriate word within the language.
Toon means an animated character... most likely started with Roger Rabbit.
It is not simply a shortening of cartoon... it is an intended designation of any animated (or however it may come-to-life) character.
You can dislike it all that you want, but everyone that uses it does not use it as a cheap and incorrect abbreviation of the correct word... it is the correct word that means exactly what they are intending it to mean.
You simply do not accept its usage.
What is funny (not really) about people in your position taking this slant on things is... You are the one using, and thus perpetuating, this limited and incorrect viewpoint now.Quote:Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
Yes, cartoons have become more than simply kid's stuff, but that has not changed the overall perception of them in American culture. Simply being "more than" is not enough to erase many decades of calcified perception. The adult-oriented cartoons that we're all aware of are still significantly outnumbered by the animated content produced for children. The exceptions do not get to become the rule just because they are well known exceptions.
And yes, video games and comics are indeed considered for children by the vast majority of people who don't play/read them. But I believe they are considered a children's pasttime even by many of the adults who do play/read them just the same. Just because they participate as adults doesn't mean they think of the activity as any less juvenile, or are any less prone to apply juvenile-sounding terminology.
Who of us cares one iota what the general public thinks??
We think for ourselves and certainly don't perpetuate what we disagree with... so why would we go back to citing an incorrect viewpoint as the basis for correcting others that we disagree with?
Plenty of people disagree with this supposed general consensus that you are using to back your opinion... So, those of us who do not share the opinion that cartoons are for kiddies can go on and feel free of it. Full stop.
Silly discussion is silly!
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Quote:Whoa, whoa... Anti-Intellectualism started way way before the G. W. era.Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
Semi-literacy has been the cornerstone of "new hipness" in America since the George W. era of anti-intellectualism. The fact that it is the de facto standard for online communication means the 99% have, in fact, won the culture wars.
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As mentioned, it was being used before this game.
And... anyone who gets so upset about the use of "toon" doesn't have much character!
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Quote:I don't have any links as a source for you, and I certainly understand your confusion since you were at the plummit, but they definitely stated a few times that they'd keep the Celestial set up longer than they originally planned (and alongside the Fire and Ice sets)... mostly due to the fact that they couldn't get Tokens to award for prepaid Vet Time (like they wanted to).Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
Source? Because I KNOW what I heard, in person. If you have more recent info (certainly possible), please cite its source.
They felt like this aspect cut down on more people being able to land those tokens in a satisfactory way (I'd plunk down the cash for vet time, as opposed to just for points, personally).
I recall it being mentioned in Ustream(s) and I also know Zwill mentioned it in some replies about the subject... I think another red name (or more) have made some replies about it, but I've not hunted for these links.
I just recall reading them at the time.
You know how it is. Lots of replies here and there since!
I don't recall any official announcement/dedicated thread about this though... Each time, I just recall it being somewhat casual responses within ongoing discussions.