Eddy_Swan

happy belated birthday!

Rock star.

one word

groupies

hmmm I dont have an awful lot of folks In my life to forget, just my imidiate family but I would hate to forget about them. On the other hand I would hate to forget who I am aswell...

this is a tough call. but I think I will take forgetting myself.

I think she's probably got her hands full with moving preparations and commissions.

the new thread was started revolving around the subject of referancing, I've said my bit on the topic in here, the only thing I will say in regards to Doc's message is there is a differance between suplying your own referances with a camera and copying a pose from a comicbook.

hmmm either way you have a very promising caeer waiting for you in a circus...

I'll take taller, I want to be feared!

Ill take the coma. cause people would be happy to see you come out of one of those.

Happy birthday! I have no batteries for my camera and my scanner is too small, so you seeing your present is going to be delayed a bit

I'll take the bees. just Bee-cause.

not going into this too deeply as I think I expressed my opinion fine in the other thread

stock photo referances are fine, anything you photograph/create yourself is fine. anything else and your skirting the edge.

let the crowing begin!

Superman has the power, but batman has the awesome!

Batman ftw!

distancing this from juggertha in particular, I believe this has gone beyond just juggy's old pic but more onto the subject in general, I agree with FD in any sort of professional environment that would not fly, there would be no benefit of the doubt, your A$$ would be in the can. there just were not enough changes to the image to be a homage. I have a fairly good example of a homage in the comic book world

http://alexgarner.deviantart.com/art...-Alt-110013380
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0...-the_super.jpg ( which is also a homage itself to a degree)

there is the tying elements of the large women in the background and the buildings though destroyed here to conjure old memories but that is where the similarity ends, there are new sorts of figures in the foreground etc, deadpool's comics have had several homages of spiderman issue 1(couldnt be bothered googling them, but they are a great example of a homage), it can get a little hazy in comicbooks sometimes there will be homage images that are exactly the same character layout etc only rendered by someone differant in style but they are of the same character etc and comic label itself produces that.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that yeah, in comic books homages happen, but they are done by artist's working officially on the characters. under the folks who own the rights to the characters. in this instance, there is no harm done as there were no plans to profit from the image, but should the same situation have happened without any consent where money was involved you could find yourself naturally with a lawsuit on your hands.

its like playing a guitar and swiping someones amplifier, because yours is not loud enough. that isn't a homage to the amplifier its stealing. they worked hard to get that amplifier why should you get it easy? ya know what I'm saying?

there is a big differance in my mind between sourcing from reality and sourcing from someone elses illustration, sure there are things that can be learned from others but in my mind duplicating a pose is not neccassarily one of them. but again, there is a differance between a homage piece like LJ's Ironman piece and knockoff and I think the answer lies in how much is hidden. but I dont think to much weight should be put on this picture in general it is a very old piece.

I've seen another artist around, though I am not mentioning names (as I am not 100% sure and he doesnt post here) who I believe in several occasion's has actually manipulated another persons work not even drawn it again just pasted parts into a piece and has manipulated it. (I havent seen a clear example of it for a while but if I do I am blowing the whistle) that in my mind is alot worse. then taking some time and effort to immitate another picture.

all that being said and done I dont think what juggertha did in this particular instance was right, but it was a long time ago so I think that needs to be taken into account.

either would be a fine start for your lad I dont think pressure sensitivity is too important when starting as much as something that becomes important later, the most important thing is that junior has a descent program to work with the tablet, MS paint will not do!

wheres the uniporn plug in?

Congrats foo!

Also I will toss my hat in the ring for next year maybe this time I will submit something

I just found a quote that pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter

"True creativity lies in disguising your sources"-Albert Einstein,

read it how you will.

edit: should add that there is a difference between homage and theft as well.

gives you fuzzy feeling's inside

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