Eddy_Swan

oooooh the face is looking Bada*se bobby! nice work!

Not a sketch but I did chuck some digi paint on one of my sketches from earlier in the week Xenomorph Digi-paint

not sure if this is all i'll do today...

I think it is important to mention that although art is incredibly personal, in effect we artist's become quite protective of our own and the way we create it, We should try to be impersonal when discussing things like this. the last thing we want is personal attack's or criticism of other artist's tools or methods, this is a discussion about our opinion's on the subject and its important to take a good step back and think about what your saying before you post upset or angry. we are all very passionate people obviously so it's expected that you feel strongly about the issues raised, just try to make sure you are taking this for what it is, a discussion, not an argument. and make sure your saying something in a way that is the least insulting for an artist's of different beliefs of your own.

Keep an appropriate distance from this discussion. its nobodies intention here to slam one and another's beliefs so if it feels like some one is pointing fingers at your methods. they don't mean it and it is there opinion.

Don't post mad!

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I'll volunteer to do it next year, but my rules will most likely involve all entries REQUIRED to include at least 2 scantily clad hot chicks.

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*Votes for wassy!*

rules shouldn't be stated unless they are meant to be followed, maybe in the next one just state what is definite criteria and what is just a guideline so everyone understands the brief

some of the artist's dont spend alot of time on the boards so perhaps they just read the opening post of the contest and went on their merry way. the main thing is to get the brief right in the opening post. that way everyone is on the same foot when they start.

*face palm* had almost forgot about soul kitten, I'll have to write that down :P

thats looking amazing

A very nice gift and a great picture to boot!

Lousy's got my vote this time round, but it was a difficult choice between him and Juggers

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I just wish everyone would try something new, and old I suppose. Graver's work makes me want to paint again...

And E. I use to work in Ink... and also here's something I was crazy enough to do in felt tip marker alone...

LJ

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I Definitely agree with you that established artist's shouldn't shy away from using digital mediums as well as traditional. balance is always good. graver makes me want to paint as well but I know what i am able to produce would only frustrate me with my current level of artistic ability.

it's quite cool to see some of your traditional stuff aswell bobby, it's like another layer of your art. its quite fascinating.

I'm glad someone managed to negotiate my wall of text and get sense out of it :P

Sketch is up today, Sorry no animals yet

he updated he's journal on DA today so I think he's alive

probably just busy.

Tin crown for the win! plus it comes with a fabulous hair cut

yep, I noticed, also spent most of the day trying it out :P but did anyone read in the developers section what is planned for issue 16?

as I am the only one who has said anything somewhat negative about digital art, I am inclined to believe that I am the only one on the 'For' traditional side. I just want everyone to be sure that they read all of my post and not just some of it because at no point did I ever say that digital art is bad. I often crack out my wacom bamboo and sketch away, hell owning a cinteq is a dream of mine. When im talking about traditional im not peddling paint. I'm talking about pen on paper and ink ( be it pen or brush) I'm not a painter. and if I was I'd be a digital painter cause like LD I Hate getting dirty.

what I said is I believe it is beneficial to have a grounding in traditional art. I should have been more specific, What i meant was, A person interested in creating art should be able to draw with pencil and paper, before they jump on a tablet. because it is infinitely easier to use a computer for art then traditional means. As bayani touched on about bad habits: Copy, paste, layers, undo are all potential crutches an artist can fall into for quick results. I know when i first started out I dipped into these methods when I didn't have the knowledge to solve a problem before me and im sure some of you who feel like being honest would admit to doing it at one stage as well. the reason why i mention this is basic human nature, you can look at the world around you and see the state its in and its not pretty. besides greed the other reason why the world is chaos is the majority of humans are happy to do what is easiest. Im not going to delve into doomsday warning's im not that pessimistic but there is clearly reason's why the addition of technology and change is only making things easier, not better.

McDonald's saves cooking and time, Bye bye waistline and hello High cholesterol. pay your bills on the internet and phone? now you dont have to leave the house and deal with the people at the bank, developing anti-social behavior and your getting less excersise (so that Mc Donalds is headed straight to your thigh's.)

do your shopping online! now you don't have to walk around a shopping centre burning off whatever quick easy food you've eaten, you can have anything you want, even groceries delivered to your home. don't have to go to the corner store to pick up the paper , just sit your self down at the computer or TV and check the news. don't have to go to the post office for stamps, just send an email. all these things build up into a mess of antisocial and lazy behavior because of humanities inclination to do what is easiest.

I want to take a break here and say im not pointing any fingers at anyone at on this forum, I respect and admire everyone on here and i mean EVERYONE for their own style and im not trying to say digital art is what is wrong with the world. the problem is the inclination that you can be lazy and still accomplish your goal, the process of drawing with pencil then screwing up and erasing repetitively is tedious annoying and character building, some people don't have the staying power to become artist's because of a lack of patience, practice really does make perfect. with the computer you can make more mistakes faster, undo is easier then erasing everything and it leaves no mark on the paper. and when things get tough you have copy paste and a host of other quick fixes to fall back on none of these being helpful towards artistic progression.

Its all well and good if people have the strength of character to avoid using these things but seeing what the rest of the world is like the majority of people will fall into these easy fix traps and wont know what to do when a quick fix isn't good enough. that's when the whole becomes to deep to climb out of and people decide they cant be bothered, its too hard.

I know the same pitfalls exist for traditional art in the form of tracing, but it's in no way as easy, its much more time consuming so in effect isn't as easy.

I could keep going im sure but its getting early in the morning, I still haven't done my sketch of the day and im going to need sleep at some point ( stupid sleep) I just want to close by saying...

I like digital art as much as every one of you here but in my opinion a computer is a tool that should be taken into the hands of some experience. easy doesn't build character and you need plenty of it to make it as an artist in this world.

I don't want this to turn into a pissing contest, and the return rebuttal to be as long or longer, I know I dragged on, if you disagree feel free to say it. this is all my opinion, I am entitled to it. I know I may have stepped on toes but try to remember that it's not a personal attack and I don't mean for it to be directed at any of you.

Edit: Also I apologise for my terrible literacy skills if you manage to get through it all I applaud you.

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So my clarified original question is, if a single artist were to do a Comic Style piece, from start to finish, digitally, would it still be the most efficient way to go through the three seperate stages?

I have been wondering about that, because I see the term "digital inking" all the time here and on DA, as well as WIPs of these stages, whether a piece was done traditionally or digitally. Talking about digital pencils and inks as seperate stages sounded a little arbitrary to me, as one "brush" could be used to do everything. It also seemed that the flexibilities of the digital media eliminated some of the limitations that necessiated these stages, as you could make your "pencils" as permanent as your "inks", and your inks could be as easily modified as your pencils. Maybe I am just getting too caught up with the terms, and should view them as loose and final sketch.

Anyway, what I wanted to know was if people take advantage of the digital medium to blur/merge the stages, and it looks like they do indeed, which can be something as simple as adding accentuating lines or details after or as you color.

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the wonders of layers and ctrl-Z (ctrl-alt z in photoshop ) allow for a little more room for error and the ability to go back later and tweak and change things. but at its core it is definitely important to approach work in stages for compositional reasons in my opinion. Ive worked in digital before with some great results and one day I could definitely see myself working digitally but I think a grounding in physical mediums is beneficial as it is much more unforgiving and teaches an artist to be much more disciplined leading to fewer mistakes and therefore less time wasted. I think starting off the bat in digital for a new artist is a silly move as it leads to alot of laziness in the creative process. a computer is just another tool, a very versatile tool but you should still need to know what your doing before you proceed to using it for everything.

I don't think this applies to anybody on this board though. ive just gone off on a tangent and instead of deleting this I'll release my ramblings on the world for you all to see

so I'd say it is definitely faster when in the right hands and probably will one day replace the traditional ways as the standard but I don't think it can ever replace the knowledge that can be attained by working traditionally.

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Not everyone handles being schooled at their own subject matter as well as others do.

I see a lot of truth on both sides of the debate here and I see a lot of unwarranted personal attacks and hate on both sides too. The fact of the matter is that NOBODY is an expert on comic art here, or what "comic art" even entails. So I'd care to point out that none of you have any factual basis with which to claim superiority over each other.

Seriously guys.

I can further interject more debate by saying that comic books are not a genre at all. They are a medium and thusly have no particular style whatsoever. You can all argue back and forth about it for ages and it won't change anything. It's an opinion. Take that for what it's worth.

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this^

its all just opinions and it is definitely getting to heated for our friendly little art community we have here.

I think that just goes to show how passionate we all are about what we do and what we strive to do.

Group hug?

When defining what something Is, I believe you have to define it by how it will be most remembered, that's the way they look back at all sorts of historic things.

When the average person thinks of what comic book art is, they think of black lines and superheroes. Alex Ross is a great artist. don't get me wrong. but what makes he's pictures look like comic book art is the subject matter and nothing else.

This for example is he's and is the same style of art, but without superman or any other comic book characters, the average person would make no connection whatsoever to comic books from this picture. he's a great artist and does fine rendering of the human form but I wouldn't call him a comic book artist, I'd call him an artist who works in comic related art. when people think of comic books, they don't think of the well rendered images Ross creates call that unfair if you want to. but it is a fact.

when people think about what is comic book art I guarantee most people will think of the likes of Jack Kirby and the artist's that have evolved from he's style. I think the lines are a pivotal part of comic book art's identity and will always be a part of it in some way or another.

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the only reason I can see that someone serious about there comic art would be against inking is if they cant be bothered learning how to do it properly and I could understand the reason why, That Sh*t is hard to do.

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Its not hard to do, just extremely tedious.

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no it's not, when you get used to it but when working with unforgiving black ink when your not practiced at it, it becomes an ordeal. but its a skill worth acquiring don't get me wrong.

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His sequential work is strong enough for most comics, even if one believes it isn't quite up to par with his pin-ups or cover work.

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it's pretty hard for anything to be on par with Adam Hughes's pin up work

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If you like to do comic art and don't need to do it the industry way, you don't NEED to ink at all. And in a general artistic sense that's a good thing when you get into color work and the black lines will be problematic.

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from my understanding the act of inking is basically selecting the lines that are good and highlighting them, making a clean lined image to work from and the cleaner the lines the easier it is to color. its also crucial for adding definition

the only reason I can see that someone serious about there comic art would be against inking is if they cant be bothered learning how to do it properly and I could understand the reason why, That Sh*t is hard to do.

Seems to me that you are assuming just because you ink you have to be stuck with the black lines. black lines are easy enough to tone in Photoshop, so it seems to me your problem isn't with the process of inking but with black lines. which are 2 completely different things. a good colorist knows how to lighten the lines that need to be lightened and leave black what needs to be left for the sake of definition. Adam Hughes leaves quite a bit of black around he's figures to pop em off the background.

If you just want to create pretty pictures, skipping the ink's is fine. But if you want to develop professional looking comic art, you gotta familiarize yourself with ink and get used to the 3 step process, cause you can be sure as hell the industry ain't gonna change for you. Adam Hughes didn't start doing covers he worked hes hump off for years to get where he is and it is only for he's name and reputation that he is given the freedom that he has. he started out doing pencil's, now he does the lot.

Inking is both valid and necessary to good professional comic book art. to leave it out is to shoot yourself in the foot.

Updated as usual

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and I might give some animals a try soon VexXxa!

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Here's another Skin-V: Blackstar


I only have two more Skin-V's to go!

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a direct link? what the hell foo!

Now get back to drawing boobies!

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True.. but I only really need to compete with the folks on Liberty, I don't really acknowledge the existence of the rest of the servers..

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Woo liberty represent!

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Here's mine!

http://art-tosharpa.deviantart.com/a...2009-127159743

Edit: (had a bit of a family emergency just there at the last)

Its based on an idea I read some time ago in one of the other board sections.

EDIT 2: I was in such a hurry, that I posted it to the "Scraps" folder on my Deviant art. I just uploaded it again (with a modified title) to a better category, so it'll show up in my "newest" gallery. Its exactly the same, only changed the title so DA would let me put it in.

http://art-tosharpa.deviantart.com/a...9-II-127161614

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HAHAHAH! that is hilarious! there are some funny funny entrances this time round.