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Quote:Ahh, that is perfect! I tried to find something like this on there last night but failed. Now it's like all my Xmas' have come at once. Cheers Father Xmas!Originally Posted by Father Xmas
It's easier with a scorecard and fortunately Tom's Hardware provides one. There are still differences in performance among the cards in the same tier and they are listed in oldest to newest but they are faster than the tier bellow them and slower than the tier above them.
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Quote:I thought we were all one for the codes etc now?Originally Posted by Texas Justice
You need to click the little flags to go to the correct codes. You are eiterh generating a US code and trying to apply it to an EU account or you are trying to generating an EU code and trying to apply it to a US account.
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Quote:Ahh, OK that helps. Generally newer generation cards would be better too I guess? So the 430 would be better than the 230 still.Originally Posted by Frostbiter
No, no really. With Nvidia cards the first number is generation. So 2,3,4,5 is the series. The second number is the type. 2,3,4,are low end cards. 5,6 are medium range gaming cards. 7,8 are high end game cards. So a 260 is better than a 230 and a 430.
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I get that they are valid but can't be applied to any account I have
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Rather than start a new thread I'm in a similar position to Spacenut. I've got at 18 month old HP Pavilion, off the shelf job, which is having graphics card issues. The fan has started making a bad noise and if I start playing games it seems to over heat and cuts out.
So, unless I have any luck tonight tinkering with it, I'll be replacing it. It's currently a GT230 or there abouts, and I'm looking at chucking £100-£150 at it. I've had mostly Nvidia cards with little issue (apart from this one obviously ) so would start there.
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Quote:Or greyed out so you know you have them. I think on another game they remove them and you can get confused waiting for an empty category to load.Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
Gotta agree there! I really wish all non-repeatables would just be taken out of the store for you once they are purchased... period.
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Quote:Is this the case without GR, or only if you have GR? Just curious on their method of breaking this up.Originally Posted by Father Xmas
To be more exact, First Ward missions can be purchased. You can always go there just to street sweep or fight the SoH.
And can you access Preatoria without GR for a look? If I recall correctly, you didn't used to be able to. -
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Is First Ward unlocked for Premium players with GR or is it a separate purchase?
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Quote:And the game info on the GR website which lists the incarnate powers and the incarnate overview. Note, the info listed under this section is ONLY from GR. If you look at characters it's the Preatorian contacts only, if you look under power sets it's the 4 that came with GR.Originally Posted by Jagged
And unfortunately for you that one line is all your argument contains, so calling it an "argument" is stretching the point somewhat. However on the other side we have the product descriptions of Going Rouge, Issue 19 and Issue 20 and the globally accepted use of the word "prerequisite".
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Quote:My argument is solely that the access to incarnates was purchased as part of the Going Rogue purchase.Originally Posted by Jagged
You seem to think that proves something that helps your argument.
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Quote:I didn't miss why you did it, I just don't think it demonstrated your point correctly.Originally Posted by Aneko
I've said before that you could consider GR part of the Incarnate System since it's a prerequisite (I don't think of it that way), but I think you've missed the point of my posting the diagram.
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Quote:As is the fact you had to purchase GR to access them.Originally Posted by Jagged
No it wasn't. The first part of the Incarnate system was part of Issue 19. The rest came with Issue 20. This is undeniable.
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Quote:Again, I didn't say purchase, I said access too. The Dev's, in their wisdom, granted all VIP players access to GR and all it entails, which happens to also grant access to the incarnate system.Originally Posted by St_Angelius
currently, all of it. as long as you are vip, the purchase of GR is not neccersarry.
You provided a venn diagram with 2 parts, A and B and alluded that one was GR and one was the incarnates.Quote:Originally Posted by Aneko
I'm saying that does not make it part of Going Rogue.
If A was GR and B was incarnates then all of GR is part of the incarnate system, which really doesn't make sense.
However, if A was incarnates and B was GR, then all of the incarnates is included within GR.
Your diagram didn't really prove your point. If I bought B in that I would expect it comes with A as all of A is within B. -
Quote:So you are saying that there is a part of the incarnate system you can access WITHOUT having access to GR?Originally Posted by Aneko
Incorrect.
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Quote:Except in your drawing A is the Incarnate content and B is GR, because no part of Incarnates is available outside GR.Originally Posted by Aneko
It seems to me that he's thinking that "if A is part of B, then B is part of A", which is just not true.
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Quote:Actually, the Dev's have done that regularly over the last 5 years, it was called villain content. And that was absolutely part of CoV.Originally Posted by UberGuy
Let's say that next week the devs came out with something that, in order to access this new feature, you were required to have bought City of Villains or the GvE bundle.
Set aside for a moment that they would never do that now because of the addition of F2P.
Would that new feature be "part" of City of Villains? Or would it be a new feature?
To me, that's almost totally unambiguous. It would not be a "part" of CoV. CoV is a package bundle that came out six years ago. A new feature could not be "part" of it.
I see this as no different, except the time scale is shorter. Not so much shorter, though, that it's obvious that the two things in question (GR and Incarnates) were clearly released together. If they had been, I would be of the other opinion. But they weren't released together, even setting aside that the Alpha slot was supposed to be part of GR. iTrials and the later slots were not.
Additionally, I would consider First Ward part of GR. As this is an MMO items are added which require you to have unlocked access to different parts of the game. Incarnate content required you to have access to GR, as does First Ward. -
Quote:Yeah, couldn't agree more. Although I generally wouldn't use many server transfers or name changes and given the choice would take the points, I can see why they don't do that.Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
What DJ said is what we were told, and while I would have preferred being able to choose a service from a list each month, (Name Change, Respec, Server Transfer) I'm grateful to get what we are getting.
I think they have struck a pretty good balance with the VIP v Premium items. -
Quote:Hmm, the value of the server transfer is questionable, but its a fair point. And the points.definitely. Do the server transfers stack? I would hope so as I wouldn't use them very often.Originally Posted by St_Angelius
As claws said, 400PP =$5 1 server transfer = $10. So really you are, everything else is free.
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Interesting post Claws. (BTW can I just say I love your name, always have
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Can't really argue with what you wrote. There are a few other things VIP's get, such as more server slots by default, the rotating tier 9 options, which I believe are VIP only and the sig story arcs, plus new power sets like time manipulation.
I believe we will see more VIP only content going forward too as I don't see the incarnate content alone as enough of a draw to go VIP. I would hope that we would get close to $15 worth of extra stuff free a month (on average) to make subscribing worth it. -
Quote:Whoa, I never said that. You're reading a lot into what I said. All I'm saying is that people who bought GR also bought access to the incarnate content. Because that was the only way to get it. My last post was demonstrating that link between the 2 because VIPs were given GR access which included Incarnate Access. They definitely shouldn't retain any part of it should they go F2P.Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I love the out of context word wrangling you're trying to do. The topic of this entire thread has been people who paid for Going Rogue, and now you're saying that because VIPs got it for free it counts just as much as purchasing it? It doesn't, not in the context of this thread, which has been people paying for something and not keeping it. Oh, and a lot of misunderstanding what it was they paid for.
And NOW you're saying that since VIPs were given Going Rogue content it counts toward what you keep when you stop paying? Which is what you'd be saying, unless you're talking about something different than everyone else in the thread.
So, by being given Going Rogue content for free with their subscription, all VIPs should be allowed to keep it when they stop paying? Is that what you're saying?
Talk about entitlement.
Heck, I actually agree with Premium players not being given full access to incarnate content. I just have a problem with the original assertion that you retained access to what you paid for if you went F2P because you DID pay for incarnate access*.
If it were me in the Dev's seat I'd provide access to the incarnate system to Premium players who have purchased GR at the time of Freedom going live, but they have to purchase access to the different powers and the trials etc.
I know that would probably kick up as much fuss anyway, but it would be more on par with the IO set issue.
*note, I haven't found or seen the actual quote about retaining access to what you paid for, and the Freedom list does say Nearly, which I think is close enough to be damning, but does allow leeway. My main bug is with people saying that GR doesn't include the Incarnate content when, in my mind, it's clearly a part of the package as that's the only way to get it.
I really think I need to walk away from this as it really doesn't effect me as a VIP and I have no intention of getting on the wrong side of people here which I'm probably dangerously close to doing. -
Quote:Actually, I don't, because I didn't say purchase, I said it was required. And as you said, they gave GR content, including the Incarnates content, free to all VIP members.Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Ummm, you're really going to throw this at me?
As of the Freedom head start, any player with a paid subscription has access to Incarnates, whether they bought Going Rogue as a separate item or not. That's because all VIPs got the content in Going Rogue for free with their subscription.
The only difference having purchased it makes is that you get to keep everything except Incarnates when you drop to premium, whereas you don't if you got it for free with your subscription.
According to your proposed rules, I win.
However, you damned yourself with your own words:
So by being given all GR content, they got access to the incarnates.Quote:Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
As of the Freedom head start, any player with a paid subscription has access to Incarnates, whether they bought Going Rogue as a separate item or not. That's because all VIPs got the content in Going Rogue for free with their subscription.
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Quote:I think.. that that game company want McDonalds to get rid of their drivethrus so they're getting Fatsos to take our servers offline to install F2P.Originally Posted by Dispari
What was this topic about again?
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Quote:I couldn't agree more. I want to say it was Second Measure on a Ustream, but I can't access the old ones to search for it.Originally Posted by Lucky666
So much this. Black Pebble should kick who ever said this square in the nuts.
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Quote:This doesn't really hold water as an argument. Show me any proof of any time since the cyborg pack was released were a subscription was not required to access the items it unlocked.Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Show me conclusive proof of any time since Incarnates were released where a subscription was not required to access them. If you can do that, I will concede that you win.
The point is, because you paid real money to unlock those items if you drop to free to play you still retain access to them.
Now for my point:
Show me conclusive proof of any time since Incarnates were released where Going Rogue was not required to access them. If you can do that, I will concede that you win.