Dark Energon
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Quote:I'm not talking about cherry picking your rewards, please read. I am suggesting to open up the VIP rewards to all VIPs. Reward tree progression will remain as is, i never said anything regarding this.Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
Being. Able. To. Cherry. Pick. Rewards. Defeats. The. Entire. Purpose. Of. Having. A. Reward. Tree.
People will make toons based on a concept, if the look of a toon is gated behind several gates, and even will be discontinued before people can get there, they will not make those toons, or even plan them.Quote:Originally Posted by Nethergoat
No, they should remain exclusive so that the periodic releases inspire people to spend more $$$.
Look at it this way- the more sets they build up 'behind the wall' the greater the desire of the playerbase to access them, the greater the incentive to pony up for Tier 9 in one way or another.
Huh- so what 'use' do you put your costumes to?
Do they enhance your powers? Enable you to withstand more damage? Open up missions unavailable otherwise?
Costumes are absolutely something to "own and display", exactly like an expensive, exclusive dress or a rare trading card. They're a collectible rarity, the ownership of which makes a certain statement to others in the community.
This is where the fashion metaphor breaks down, as costume bits *never* go out of style. Even the worst low rez 'available at launch!' bits have their rabid adherents.
I have a great concept of a toon using the Fire & Ice costumes, but i know i will not get to T9 before they are gone, so i am not even reserving a name, planning a build or making the toon, hoping that in the next few years i can finally make it as i wanted to make it from the start.
And if you say i can, just cough up enough cash to fill the last 2 Tiers, if you give me the cash to do so, or if you give me a well paying job so i can do that, i might.. but i have other things to worry about instead of throwing hundreds of dollars at a game in one payment.
Well, he is posting nothing but nonsense and his own feeling of entitlement.Quote:Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Attacking a persons post count, another classic gem that gets trotted out by some people when they perceive themselves to be on the losing side of a discussion. What's next, conspiracy rants about the big bad Forum Cartel?
I'm not losing an argument, because the person who thinks, and who you think is winning, never gave a solid argument as to why he doesn't like my idea, and only claims to not see my reasoning.
Trying to play internet ghetto gangmember doesn't earn respect.
I placed a few more people on ignore for obvious reasons, since they feel as if the world has to revolve around them, and instead of being respectful and actually make a solid argument, they just do what ever they can to try and brake this thread.Quote:Originally Posted by DustRaven
And the more they build up "behind the wall" the more impossible it is for new players to EVER GET THEM!!! Do you seriously want to deny some players access to things just because they are new players? How many things do you need to build up behind that wall before there's just so much a new player takes one look and give up hope of bothering?
And from the point of view of those veteran T9ers, what will they do when their options are Celestial Armor and Fire & Ice... again? Nothing. They already bought those. Something ELSE needs to be there... but they still can make some money on the old "out of style" (there it is again) sets by offering them to the general public. Why the general public instead of keeping them gated behind VIP? Because more people will by them. Sure, gating them behind a subscription fee will be incentive enough for some to buy that subscription (for a month) just to then also buy the costume bits, but how many more will buy the costume bits if everyone can? Almost certainly enough to make up for any lost revenue from the premium players who didn't sub that one month.
Raven makes a few solid points as to why PS should look at changing the current VIP rewards. VIPs who have the VIP rewards now will later complain if the current VIP rewards go back in the VIP tree, because it is nothing new they have.
Not many will start a new game, pay $500 just to get some VIP rewards, this is not enticing people to stay long.
Better would be to open it up to all VIPs. Buying a month worth of VIP time will make people see what they get as a VIP, opposed to unlocking their rewards buying points. This will also entice people more to stay subbed, and as i stated before: The longevity of a game is based on it's subscribers, not the amount of cash thrown at the game because people want some rewards. The 1st is a steady flow of income, the latter is a variable amount. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Dark Energon
I was talking about the following suggestion in one of my Global Channels, some people understood my view, some didn't, and some were against this. So i know that this could create some backlash from some, and some love from others.
My suggestion:
Make T9VIP accessible to all VIPs, not just the ones who filled the whole Reward Tree, and rename it T-VIP.
The main argument people have brought up is that this eliminates the 'Long Term player' reward, and this is somewhat true.
However, currently people can buy their way to T9 in one day, thus T9VIP is not just for long time veterans, but for all who have filled the whole Reward Tree anyway they can.
My main argument is that T9VIPs is for VIPs only, but it discriminates between VIPs who have either been here a long time, bought their way up the tree and those who can not afford to spend much money on the game but are still actively subbed.
I have been here close to 3 years now, only let my account lapse 2 times, total lapsed time little over a month, because of my current financial struggles, and i think a lot of people can understand this. However, i am still a VIP, but can not pick the VIP rewards because i'm currently halfway into T6.
An example of how this could work:
Player A became VIP, receiving his reward token. T1 is filled, and now he has the option to place a token in T2, receiving the option to access the Trench Coat costume piece. Also because he filled T2, he now has access to Tells, Global Channels, AE and more even when he drops to Premium, basically following the current system.
With T-VIP, he can choose to not slot T2, but pick a VIP reward, since he is a VIP. This would mean that when he drops to Premium the following month, he does not have access to Tells, AE, Global Channels and such.
This opens up more freedom for VIPs, while still limiting the amount of rewards they get with 1 Reward Token.
I understand that people throwing money at the game is always nice, but i do know that the longevity of a game is based on subscribers, not just the amount of cash it generates. And i believe with this system, it could increase the subscriber rating, as well as generate a little more cash.
Anyways, this is just my opinion, it is neither right nor wrong.
Looking forward to the feedback regarding this, either constructive feedback as to why you do not like this idea, or why you think this would be good or bad for the game.Quote:Originally Posted by Dark Energon
That is what i heard a lot, "What do we have extra if all VIPS can get the VIP Rewards"
And as stated, because we pick a VIP reward, we are halted at the Reward Tree progress. The ones who filled the whole tree still get their 550PP a month, those who pick a VIP reward over a T6 reward, or T2 reward will not have access to what they are placing on hold for either a month, or more.Quote:Originally Posted by Dark Energon
And 'Bob' will miss out on the other rewards he could have picked with his Reward Tokens.
I do understand your point of view however, People just subbing to get the VIP Rewards. At the same time, that's all they are getting, they are not unlocking the items that is now mandatory to move up the reward tree, meaning they either have to shell out more cash, or stay subbed longer to get those rewards.
IMO, this is a win/win for both players and NCsoft.Quote:Originally Posted by Dark Energon
As stated before, Long Time Vets and people who paid their way up the tree get 550PP a month, while the other VIPs who do not have T8 filled get 400PP a month. They also have the option to pick the T9 repeatable rewards.
VIPs who are on T3 and pick the VIP reward will not get 550PP a month, they will not have the choice to pick any of the T9 repeatable rewards either.
So to say that the Long Term Vets and the people who bought their way up the tree are losing out, is unfounded.
VIPs who prefer to pick a VIP reward instead of filling their own Tier delay their way up the Reward Tree, thus 'losing' potential benefits they could have picked and kept while they drop back to Premium.
The biggest difference is when people drop back to Premium.
If you as long term player or person who bought their way up the tree drop back to Premium, you still keep all the things you have unlocked along the way. People who instead picked VIP rewards instead of filling their tree have less 'perma' unlocked abilities.Quote:Originally Posted by Dark Energon
Not likely, because it is a choice he made. Fully aware of the difference between picking a VIP reward or filling the tree.
People with low income do not have the choice to pay their way up the tree, and newer players do not have the choice to go back in time and start playing this great game in 2004.
PLUS: We are talking about something that is gated behind being VIP and a certain amount of reward tokens.
All i am suggesting is take one of the gates out, making the VIP part of that Tier name more relevant.Quote:Originally Posted by Dark Energon
To be honest, i'm not really interested in the Mecha Armor myself, so far i have 0 toons that would fit this, and i have 26 out of 26 slots filled with toons.
I am also not appealing to the crowd to give me any set, I'd taken a whole different approach if i did this for selfish reasons.
I'm doing this because imo, if you make something VIP only, make it available to all VIPs, not just a select few, a VIP is a VIP, no matter what.
If i buy VIP tickets to a game, i expect to be seated in the VIP section with all the VIP benefits, not sitting in the VIP section only to hear that i also have to pay extra for things because it's my 1st time in the stadium or because i normally have tickets for the nosebleed section.
I'm doing this because like me, people are struggling with their finances, not able to pay their way up the reward tree to get these awesome costume parts.
I do this so that people who are contemplating between buying points or paying for a sub, have more reason to choose the sub, because we all know that the amount of subs for a game will free up external resources a game with less subscribers won't get. I'm not talking about revenue from people buying points, i'm talking about NCsoft dedicating more resources to PS because they see that the subscriber base is going up. Advertisers are more willing to dedicate ad space for games with larger player bases, or invest resources because that know they are reaching a larger audience.
People were complaining that several in-game items/powers/rewards were locked behind several gates, making people jump through many hoops. Here's a great example of some awesome costume pieces several people worked hard on to be placed in the game, only to be locked behind several gates. The VIP gate i agree with, the additional gate of the amount of reward tokens to unlock it, i do not agree with.Quote:Originally Posted by Dark Energon
Loving these arguments, and almost everyone makes a valid case for objecting my suggestion and approving it.
Now look at this.
I see a few people stating that they paid $100-$300 and even more just to get up the reward tree to get these costumes. They call my proposal a slap in their face because others would get these items cheaper and easier while they were able/had to devote their resources o get that high up the Reward Tree to get them. Some of them even say that they don't mind if down the road these items come in the store, as PS is currently hinting at.
Well.. my issue with this statement/argument....
If people can buy these in the store for 400-800PP, how does your argument hold up?Quote:Originally Posted by Dark Energon
This argument could go both ways as to why not and why yes.
Love this idea.
With all honesty, i was kinda thinking about this too when i noticed that most people stated that they didn't want just ANY VIP pick the VIP rewards.
Unlocking T-VIP when you filled T4 is a nice compromise, and easy coding, just replace the T8 with T4. Also, T4 is half way up the Reward Tree, meaning they did show some dedication to the game in the form of buying points to get there, or in playing time.Just a few of the times i mentioned my reasons.Quote:Originally Posted by Nethergoat
What are you on about?
I'm all for stuff that makes the game survivable over the long haul, whether or not it mollifies my personal inclinations.
People spending money makes the game survivable, the Paragon Market does that more efficiently than the old vet rewards system, so I'm on board. Viva capitalism!
Which is why I like access to tier 9 VIP junk being expensive, and staying expensive. It was conceived and executed as a premium enticement/reward for those's who've already dropped a bundle on the game in one way or another- exclusivity is the point of the exercise.
Uh, yeah, whatever.
But honestly, what is your reasoning?
You seem to feel you've expressed something somewhere around here, but for the life of me all I can find is a standard entitlement whine.
And if this is your view of an entitlement whine, then that is your issue, nobody is forcing you to look at this thread.
You stated you don't like my suggestion, and that is fine, nobody can like everyone's opinion all the time, but you do not have to shoot everyone who does understand or likes what you do not like or do not understand.
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Quote:Read the OP and comments instead of wasting your time coming up with nothing to add to this discussion. It has been stated a few times.Originally Posted by Nethergoat
And I'm still waiting for a valid argument justifying your belief that they should serve you tier 9 VIP treats on a silver platter.
Seems like you could use your own advice, i started this thread to open up a discussion, see how people like my idea. The fact that you yourself have now openly said that you were irritated about this new system because others didn't have to wait as long as you have, means you'll only fight for you, instead of seeing it both ways.Quote:Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Please stop projecting, it's embarrassing.
Yes, I was irritated they'd given new players immediate access to all the junk it took me years of continuous subscription to achieve, and at a substantial $$ discount no less. But you ignore the following point, where I say ce'st la vie, it's a brave new world and if the devs think it's better in the long run I'll get on board.
Rather than whinging on endlessly over a done deal, as you've been.
No system is perfect, because they never will please everyone, but that doesn't mean we can not discuss things. I have seen a few nice other suggestions come out of this.
And instead of demanding my reasoning, which has been stated a few times, be honest why you don't like my suggestion, because all you have done is speculate, twist words, taken statements out of context by being selective in what you quote, wasting other people's time with meaningless replies and added nothing, and absolutely nothing to this discussion.
So, if you would like to PL your post count like several other people do on this forum, i must ask you to please do that in a different thread.
Thank you.
Quote:Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Quote:Sorry that in your view i have not been nice to you, but that is what you get when you just ignore and only look at the parts you want, and then try and counter with silly things.Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I see no entitlement in your posts, just rational discussion of the issues.
Would that the OP shared your approach to this topic.
And that is why my initial suggestion stands. All the things you have unlocked, will not be available to the new players, unless they throw a lot of cash at the game. Every time a VIP skips progrssing in their Reward Tree progress to pick a T-VIP reward, they will still not unlock the things you see as 'junk'. And it seems that you are more upset with the fact that people can now throw cash at the game and get where you got while you had to wait several years. You talk about me feeling entitled? YOU are the one who feels this way.Quote:Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I've been subscribed far longer than you and don't like that all the junk I 'earned' the hard way under the original system was suddenly made available to any n00b off the street- but oh well, that's life!
No it isn't, but it should be available to all VIPs.Quote:Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Likewise, it isn't the function of VIP costume sets to be casually, widely available.
Quote:Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Yeah, I get it, Forbin. You're being intentionally obtuse by working a different argument into what was being said. And using certain numbers in attempt to bolster your decided debating point against someone that was talking about something else.
Opinion and taste is not the basis I was making the distinction... Just the number of parts alone, Forbin, show your mistake.So you got where i am with him too.Quote:Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I mean, seriously. I could punch a hole in every ******* thing you say in here, but what is the ******* point?
People try and have a conversation and then you get replies that are just tossing out incorrect and ill-conceived counters that we can then reply to, point for point and be dragged into having to explain blatantly simple truths all for what? No ******* reason.
And that is exactly where such "debates" lead to... no reason.
You say things and it is clearly proven untrue, but you stick to them. You list the costs of the previous unlocks... Yet, it is a simple truth that they did not cost those amounts... they were unlocked along the way of being subscribed, with which you received a plethora of other benefits, far beyond that subscription total.
Yet, you wave these numbers like some grand flag to show the petty complainers that they are asking for handouts. It's tired, it's pathetic and I'm seriously sick of trying to be a ******* polite person on these forums, mate.
We are having a discussion over a suggestion i made, and he feels as if i am attacking him personal because he is one of the people described in the very 1st reply to this.
1200PP for non VIPs sounds a little high, but not unreasonable, but it should be made free for VIPs if it is made available for purchase in the Paragon Market, depending on how long it will take from removal from T9VIP to available in the Paragon Market. If it is instant, it should cost about half the cost of Premium/Free players.Quote:Originally Posted by Angelxman81
The devs confirmed that we can get T9VIP costume sets with alternate metods once they are out of the program.
So expect a way to get Celestial soon.
Maybe each Token would be equal 1 costume bundle, so the whole pack is going to cost 1200 PP.
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Quote:As i said, you see what you want to see, and ignore the rest.Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I've read all your posts and haven't seen much beyond "I want this thing I'm not yet qualified to have, please change the rules to suit me, TIA!"
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Quote:I did, several times, but it seems that certain people only see what they want to see, and ignore the rest.Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Not getting your point here.
They've pretty much always released free costume bits along with paid or gated stuff.
VIP is a new way to gate stuff, one that they're using.
I understand you want the stuff, but you haven't made a compelling (or any, really) argument as to why they ought to give it to you.
Then get to Tier 9.
Either keep subbing and wait, or speed things up and buy in.
Prior to Freedom if you wanted any of the Vet Reward stuff your only option was to stay subscribed and wait to become eligible. The current system strikes me as more than fair, and yet you still complain.
*shrug*
Why should they?
Please make the case as to why it's in the best financial interest of the game to follow your suggestion.
Yet, i do not see any real solid argument as to why they should not approve my suggestion.
I always find it funny when people point at the old rewards and say, "We had to wait back then too." and find that a compelling argument as to why VIPs should not be allowed to pick VIP rewards. Yet the whole reason why there was a system overhaul was because the time gate was even in their eyes, absurd.
I guess people's view would have been different if i started playing in Beta all these years ago and suggest this, then it would be seen as "Being nice to the new people" instead of "How dare this runt demand to get the same stuff as us."
Snobs and elitist will always try to keep the rest down, guess it's some status thing they cling to. -
Quote:26 total: 19 Pre i21.Originally Posted by Nethergoat
And how many of those existed before the implimentation of Freedom?
Presumably at least some would be VIP only options if they were introduced to the game today, with the store & tier system in place.
Again, this is not a full list, because i didn't add several that are free to all, or even free to VIPs, just the ones which are in the store.. and i still think i am missing a few.
And i am a VIP, yet can not get these.Quote:Originally Posted by Nethergoat
They see VIP tier costumes as stuff only VIPs should get, most certainly.
Hence my suggestion was to open the T9VIP rewards to all VIPs, rename it T-VIP. The people who have been here long term and the people who have bought their way up will not be affected, they will not loose their 550PP a month, and have access to all that they have unlocked in the reward tree if for some reason they drop to Premium.
Those who have not unlocked T8, will still have a chance to pick a T-VIP reward, however, they are halted in their Reward Tree progress because they choose to place their token in the T-VIP section, hence, when they drop to Premium, have less 'perma' unlocked than the people who have been here for a really long time or those who were able and willing to buy their way up the tree. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Which is why I have said in other posts I have no problem with the devs offering "older" Tier 9 VIP perks outside the reward program as long as they remain VIP incentives.Quote:Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Well in the 8 years the game has been running the devs have learned that your opinion about costumes isn't shared by many players, and as such do indeed serve well as Vet Rewards incentive under the old system and now a VIP incentive.Nope, he said it twice, my bad.Quote:Originally Posted by Aggelakis
He never ONCE said that. Not once. He said costumes are a great thing to be gated by veteran rewards (note he didn't specify the T9VIP costumes either), with the implication being that the City playerbase is gaga about costume customization. There are a large number of costume pieces gated by veteran rewards (aka Paragon Rewards now).
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Quote:Originally Posted by ShadowHex
I can understand the main tier tree as an incentive for new players to subscribe, there is a lot of great stuff to be had there, a large part of which improves QoL in the game. But the costumes are fluff, no need to be exclusive about them.You name all the VIP costume sets, Mecha will be.. uhm.. 3rd set?Quote:Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Well in the 8 years the game has been running the devs have learned that your opinion about costumes isn't shared by many players, and as such do indeed serve well as Vet Rewards incentive under the old system and now a VIP incentive.
Celestial, Fire & Ice, and Mecha.. yeah, that makes 3.
Now name all the other costume bundles all, even premiums can purchase.. Uhmm.. let's see:
CoT, Origin Capes, Valkyrie, Science, Barbarian, Elemental Order, Imperial Dynasty, Martial Arts, Carnival of Light, Roman, Vanguard, Steampunk, Aphla, Omega, Gunslinger, Clockwork, Justice, Magic pack, Pocket D pack, Sinister, Wedding pack, OverGuard, Praetorian Police, Resistance, Sport... i am sure i am missing a few.
Yeah, i guess the Devs see costumes as something only VIPs should get. -
If you think Staph Fighting is bad, wait till u try out the new powerset 'Polio Assault', and 'Gangrenous Infection'.
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Quote:Seems like most of the people against this are already way past T9, and most of those have this kind of attitude.Originally Posted by RevolverMike
But than what would the elite snobs of the game have over us?
Surely we must think of them as well.
As stated before, Long Time Vets and people who paid their way up the tree get 550PP a month, they also have the option to pick the T9 repeatable rewards. While the other VIPs who do not have T8 filled get 400PP a month. VIPs who are on T3 and pick the VIP reward will not get 550PP a month, they will not have the choice to pick any of the T9 repeatable rewards either.
So to say that the Long Term Vets and the people who bought their way up the tree are losing out, is unfounded.
VIPs who prefer to pick a VIP reward instead of filling their own Tier delay their way up the Reward Tree, thus 'losing' potential benefits they could have picked and kept while they drop back to Premium.
The biggest difference is when people drop back to Premium.
If you as long term player or person who bought their way up the tree drop back to Premium, you still keep all the things you have unlocked along the way. People who instead picked VIP rewards instead of filling their tree have less 'perma' unlocked abilities.
If you have a VIP area pass to an event, but see that other VIPs get more than you just because it's your 1st time at the event, i bet you'll be complaining too.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Dark Energon
And those who opened their wallets, will still have more stuff and perks than people who are new VIPs and are able to choose the VIP costume rewards.You said what i said.Quote:Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
No they won't. A brand new player that is willing to open his wallet to unlock the Tier 9 rewards while subscribing for one month has access to the exact same items as a VIP who has been subbed for 8 years.
If a new VIP is able to pick VIP rewards with this Revamp, the people who opened their wallets, or those who have been here a while will have more tokens placed, thus, more items and stuff unlocked. -
And those who opened their wallets, will still have more stuff and perks than people who are new VIPs and are able to choose the VIP costume rewards.
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Quote:We are both right.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
T4 isn't halfway up the rewards tree. You need 34 tokens to fill out T8, so your 35th token can be spent on T9. Half of that is 17, which puts you halfway into T6. So unlocking it at T5/13 tokens (just under halfway) or T6/20 tokens (just over halfway) would be better than T4/8 tokens. (Keeping in mind that everyone gets 1 token automagically, so the required number of tokens to purchase/earn is one less.)
Reason i am right: Basic math: 4+4=8
Reason i am wrong: I did not keep in mind the ratio regarding tokens, but again, i feel a VIP is a VIP and should have access to all VIP stuff.
I also agree with the fact that these should never be in the store.
The argument i brought up regarding store pricing was to counter the argument that people spent hundreds of bucks on points to get to slot T9VIp, but wouldn't mind if down the road those sets would be in the store, yet they do not want just any VIP getting them because they have not paid their dues, time or $ wise.
So why let people, even non VIPS pay 400-800PP, but current VIPs can not have them now? 400-800PP is $5-$10, while being a VIP is $15x3=$45 because there are 3 slots to fill to get all the pieces. -
Quote:This argument could go both ways as to why not and why yes.Originally Posted by Ruthia
Why? Well to be honest why should it matter? Sure the pieces are cool and interesting looking but they are JUST COSTUME PIECES. Big deal, they make these things ALL the time.
Love this idea.Quote:Originally Posted by Ruthia
Though IMO What if they just made them accessible at tier 4 instead of tier 9? That way you have to have paid SOME to get there, but not an arm and a leg? Just a thought.
With all honesty, i was kinda thinking about this too when i noticed that most people stated that they didn't want just ANY VIP pick the VIP rewards.
Unlocking T-VIP when you filled T4 is a nice compromise, and easy coding, just replace the T8 with T4. Also, T4 is half way up the Reward Tree, meaning they did show some dedication to the game in the form of buying points to get there, or in playing time. -
Loving these arguments, and almost everyone makes a valid case for objecting my suggestion and approving it.
Now look at this.
I see a few people stating that they paid $100-$300 and even more just to get up the reward tree to get these costumes. They call my proposal a slap in their face because others would get these items cheaper and easier while they were able/had to devote their resources o get that high up the Reward Tree to get them. Some of them even say that they don't mind if down the road these items come in the store, as PS is currently hinting at.
Well.. my issue with this statement/argument....
If people can buy these in the store for 400-800PP, how does your argument hold up? -
Nemesis moved the thread.
Btw, i agree, with the addition of the Paragon Postal Service!
800PP on the paragon market for this service.
Make a Postal worker in each major zone, account accessible:
-10 Items per mail
-10 mail slots
-Holds 10 toon bound items that can be claimed on other toons -
To be honest, i'm not really interested in the Mecha Armor myself, so far i have 0 toons that would fit this, and i have 26 out of 26 slots filled with toons.
I am also not appealing to the crowd to give me any set, I'd taken a whole different approach if i did this for selfish reasons.
I'm doing this because imo, if you make something VIP only, make it available to all VIPs, not just a select few, a VIP is a VIP, no matter what.
If i buy VIP tickets to a game, i expect to be seated in the VIP section with all the VIP benefits, not sitting in the VIP section only to hear that i also have to pay extra for things because it's my 1st time in the stadium or because i normally have tickets for the nosebleed section.
I'm doing this because like me, people are struggling with their finances, not able to pay their way up the reward tree to get these awesome costume parts.
I do this so that people who are contemplating between buying points or paying for a sub, have more reason to choose the sub, because we all know that the amount of subs for a game will free up external resources a game with less subscribers won't get. I'm not talking about revenue from people buying points, i'm talking about NCsoft dedicating more resources to PS because they see that the subscriber base is going up. Advertisers are more willing to dedicate ad space for games with larger player bases, or invest resources because that know they are reaching a larger audience.
People were complaining that several in-game items/powers/rewards were locked behind several gates, making people jump through many hoops. Here's a great example of some awesome costume pieces several people worked hard on to be placed in the game, only to be locked behind several gates. The VIP gate i agree with, the additional gate of the amount of reward tokens to unlock it, i do not agree with. -
Quote:It's never too late for change.Originally Posted by _Klaw_
No.
They are just costumes now but the devs could put in better stuff if they wanted.
I paid to get past T8 and I'm sure a lot of people have paid to go up the ladder so it's too late to change it now.
I understand you would feel cheated if this is changed, but look at the positive side, you have all Reward slots filled because of that. You are not losing anything.
If this is implemented, those who are at, say, T4 would still have to pay extra, like you and a lot of others have done, to fill all slots or wait about two years before they have T8 filled.
I'm glad that you could pay your way up the tree, i really am, several of my friends did this too. However, there are people who have been unemployed for a long time, i am also unemployed for a year, and am using my GR money to keep my sub active. Hell, for all of last year i had to go to Starbux to play the game since i could not afford internet at home. If that is not dedication to this game i do not know what is.
If i had a job, i'd buy my way up the tree too, but i'd still advocate for this to change, because being a VIP is being a VIP.
It is somewhat misleading in the T9VIP description which states that VIPs can pick these rewards, when it is actually VIPs who have filled the whole tree.
Also the argument that you can not skip a Tier because of data issues is invalid, since people can skip past the T9 (Repeatable rewards) and pick the T9VIP rewards if they are VIP and have T8 filled. -
Quote:Nope, T9 are the repeatable awards non VIPs can pick, T9VIP are the VIP rewards, the Celestial, Fire & Ice, and the Mecha costume parts.Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
And I am well aware you're speaking about Tier 9 VIP - it's still Tier 9.
Yay! Phantom Statistics Time! I also know hordes of long term veteran Tier 9 VIP players who absolutely loathe this idea.
And ok, from the people who commented here, you are one of two who dislike this. -
Quote:Again, i'm not talking about the T9 rewards, but the T9VIP rewards.Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
Seriously? Low income? I spent last year unemployed and continued to pay my monthly subscription.
Yes, there are two ways to T9 - purchase $525 in Paragon Points or maintain a monthly sub until you've reached the T9.
Tier 9 is a special tier for subscribers, long term or those who paid their way, and should remain as such. It's laughably selfish, really, to argue that the T9 rewards should be available to all VIPs regardless of whether they earned it or not and insulting those who either earned their way to Tier 9 by subscribed time (and to some extent those who paid their way.)
Patience is what I'd recommend for you to revamp. This is like when the CoV Special Edition launched and people cried about not being able to have access to the special helms.
I understand that you do not like this, that is fine, but so far you are one of few who don't like it, and many other long term Vets have stated that they do like this idea. -
Quote:Not likely, because it is a choice he made. Fully aware of the difference between picking a VIP reward or filling the tree.Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
Then Bob will start a forum thread about how "those other rewards" should be revamped and be made more freely available.
People with low income do not have the choice to pay their way up the tree, and newer players do not have the choice to go back in time and start playing this great game in 2004.
PLUS: We are talking about something that is gated behind being VIP and a certain amount of reward tokens.
All i am suggesting is take one of the gates out, making the VIP part of that Tier name more relevant. -
As stated before, Long Time Vets and people who paid their way up the tree get 550PP a month, while the other VIPs who do not have T8 filled get 400PP a month. They also have the option to pick the T9 repeatable rewards.
VIPs who are on T3 and pick the VIP reward will not get 550PP a month, they will not have the choice to pick any of the T9 repeatable rewards either.
So to say that the Long Term Vets and the people who bought their way up the tree are losing out, is unfounded.
VIPs who prefer to pick a VIP reward instead of filling their own Tier delay their way up the Reward Tree, thus 'losing' potential benefits they could have picked and kept while they drop back to Premium.
The biggest difference is when people drop back to Premium.
If you as long term player or person who bought their way up the tree drop back to Premium, you still keep all the things you have unlocked along the way. People who instead picked VIP rewards instead of filling their tree have less 'perma' unlocked abilities. -
And 'Bob' will miss out on the other rewards he could have picked with his Reward Tokens.
I do understand your point of view however, People just subbing to get the VIP Rewards. At the same time, that's all they are getting, they are not unlocking the items that is now mandatory to move up the reward tree, meaning they either have to shell out more cash, or stay subbed longer to get those rewards.
IMO, this is a win/win for both players and NCsoft.