Dahjee

It's more a matter of fitting the new set into their playstyle than finding the right playstyle for this new set to some. It's why it can be decided early on whether it's complete garbage or not.

I don't get the fear or potency of BU powers... how hard is it to avoid someone for 10 secs?

I don't see how that one power can make a set.

I agree, it can be played offensively very much like a /Dev blaster... Only thing really needed in the set for this is approach is Web, Posion Trap, Acid Trap, Seekers, and possibly FFG. Traps' lack of mobility is a choice made by the people that play it... it's not mandatory in any way, shape, or form for a non-MM Traps toon.

Caltrops are also good for the -fly and -jump effect applied to target. Many places in a zone like dumpsters and those really small pools in RV make for some good places to TP a Foe (after they've been webbed first of course) Having caltrops down keeps people from SS/stealthing over mines and traps... and in these locations caltrops keep you from having to rely on web spamming.

The difficulty or bad rep doesn't come from bad powers.... it's comes from the fact that one actully has to get people into them. I like the challenge of that. I can see how the difficulty of doing so however... is enough for some players to call it a bad set.

So you're saying one is "skilled" because they play FoTMs?

What exactly would you called "skilled" X?

This may have been your experience with teleport... Don't assume everyone has the same trouble using the combo. Also, stop pretending that you only attack good players in a zone somehow... it's a weak argument to say something will only work against bad players... Isn't that the majority in RV anyway?


Actually the key is realizing what it will take for it to work. When that road is too hard then it makes sense for some to quit or reroll or try and convince others that something doesn't work. For others it repesents a challenging set or approach in which one can only get better from repeated play. Simply put, YMMV - or has that phrase stopped be applicable here.

Yeah...

Problem is... is that I don't use words like good and bad. I don't advise. The best PvPers are sometime those that figure things out as they go. You won't find posts with me saying this is better or this is worse. Try to... you just won't find such a thing. I've stated many times that I don't come here to advise others.. and I don't. Search some more... try to find posts with me giving advice here to someone about what to do in PvP that's not based on personal experience... you won't find any. Nah this "Dahjee gives bad advice" trip is just another lame excuse of the week to justify hating me. There should be a club for this really.

Superjump is bad for PvP too. SS/SJ is ideal however. Teleport is bad for PvP you say... perhaps... Teleport/Hover is viable in a zone though. I know from using it for several years along with toons that SS/SJ so yes, I may say that I can answer questions better than the next about how to make it work. You see I don't come here and say "TP is the best!!!" Nah you all start that argument... not me. Why? I do not know. It's absurd to me that folks here can say something doesn't work without even attemptting to state what is need to make it work.

Same for Traps... can you find the post of me saying traps is better than anything in a zone! Or one that states Traps is awesome when played as a first PvP toon or that Traps is better than a blaster specc'ed for DPS and killing? Nope. Nothing of the sort can be found. I don't come here and say I'm good... or bad... or better... or anything. I come here and say it can work and here's how and why? I then argue with people who have never once done the same as me and watch as others believe them. Go Figure. Like the fact that you say traps are bad because they lack mobility... It's just weird to hear when I play traps and I can move about freely and set up traps where and when needed to assist with kills. What exactly is your opinion based on when you say that?

Has PvP really been reduced to the point where skill is defined by one's ability to roll the easiest toon to get kills with? Is anyone really impressed with a Psy/Em's ability to get a kill these days? Are we impressed with a /Regen's ability to survive? Do we consider these people good players... or people doing as instructed? At some point shouldn't skill be defined by a players ability to do... without?

Am I too respect the opinions of those who can only list FoTM sets but cannot tell me how to make my ??/?? snowflake specialist build work? Hell how long has it been since I13? Where are the DR numbers? Are we waiting on Mids to tell us how to get good defense in PvP? a few question that will go unanswed of course, but my point overall is that I don't come here with advice... My only wrong it seems is coming here with an open mind about PvP.

I make simple points X. Folks here agree all the time... it's usually the reason they turn a topic into more than what it should be. That is often when the entertainment starts.. for me at least.

You'd know if you read the thread I'm sure.

It was a summary of what happened after I offered people here the oppourtunity to define what they call Bad.

I'm not hated and followed and -Rep'ed with three letter bits like OOO and --- and *** because my advice is bad... jeez. I don't give that much advice. Hell, and most the points I make are agreed with. I should just be ignored, right? No, the hate comes from something else Max... you know it... I know it... the 600+ people who read but not post in the threads I'm in probably know it.

Explaining how the game works sometimes invloves telling someone how to make something work.... only thing done here for new folks is telling them what will and won't work. New players aren't the same as dumb players...

Either the 5 people and their lil followers make the assumption that most new PvPers are tools or they lack the experince to tell someone how to make something work. Or I'm just wrong again... and it's best for PvP to claim things simply as good or bad... and tell people they can't roll this and can only roll that. Just doesn't seem smart to me is all. Robotic.

duh?

"me so mad at him... me so angery I wanna hurt his feeeelings, he bad to me!"

"me miss deh PWNS where its is ok to b dis way"

HaHaHaHahahaha!

You robot. That was a great lol.

Ha.

Being called Bad here doesn't make it a fact Mac... it's a fad. An inside joke used to train newbies.

It doesn't mean much to call someone bad when you don't actually know the defenition. I'd ask you yourself Mac to give one for the people... but you like anyone else here would only have examples...

words are truf yo. Believe words when EVER you see them for reals.

[EDIT: Max theres only like 12 people here on the PvP boards... like seriously. Everyone here?? lol]

My Traps Corr is there rechaging for temp placate in PD while I level up my Traps defender who I made on Freedom. It's 46 now.

Convincing others that I'm an easy kill while playing Traps is a fun part of playing Traps. It's how you get drops from forum PvP!

You' haven't fought stalkers from a Traps perspective now have you? Try it and get back to me.

It's not a reliance Mac.

If you're gonna go for effect... find everyway possible to do so. There aren't many things in the game anymore to increase KB mag is there? Is it dumb for my FF'der to craft KB increase from base before Zone PvPing... no it is not.

I could go on but it's quite pointless. With all due respect Mac... if you yourself don't use or need or benefit from temp powers in Zone PvP... then you don't belong in this thread.

I haven't got my defender up to 50 yet... we'll see.

Do be careful though, cause that approach might not always work. I like to phase when attacked to pull bad stalkers into traps, after they've been hit with acid... then kite around keeping them in range of seekers, then un phase right away to web them, tp them, and blow them up as they try to flee the scene.

Yeah blasters are tough... usually for 10 secs at a time though... and they don't like to be webbed much . especially when their target is being healed or regenerating health faster than their debuffed damage can kill them. They usually Hib and try again.

Soothing Auras + triage beacon is really good regen when both have invested into making them so. Everything gets killed by DR... you should be past this by now. We all should.

Once DR comes into play you still want the most right? Right?
Stacking where it's at under the new system. Not necessarily from stacking only the best set/set combos for the job or effect, but from the powers within different sets. Slowing SS'ers for example occur reliably not just from one toon with 2-3 poor slow powers and 1-2 really good ones... but from 2-3 toons using their really good slow powes at once. It's very very hard to die when standing in an area surrounded by 3 triage beacons for another example... compared to follwing a /PD around to get their regn buff.

All I said was caltrops break hide... that stalkers will not more than once (twice if dumb) attempt to AS near a Traps toon when set up and surrounded by any type of teammates. I don't understand why basic statements here get made into a all out comparsion of sets. Does the phrase apples to oranges mean anything here?

All is available, included, and possible in a Zone BB.

Caltrops and Acid Mortar is what stalkers will fear. Caltrops to break hide well before an AS, and Acid Mortar because once hide is broken, they're hit with a long DoT that prevents them from hiding again. It gets them killed pretty quick. After one time... they won't come near a Trapper when they're set up with any type of team nearby. Not even close. They literally swarm around like sharks waiting for someone to leave the area... Any threat from direct melee vanishes. Teammates and others in a zone will start to adore you and follow you yes... because where you are is where they don't have to worry as much... and because watching people try to spike and get webbed and die is fun for them to watch. True story. (My Traps defender hasn't been pimped out yet but I took for a stroll the other day in SC)

Oh and it doesn't take long to set up so setting here and then moving to here and then here is quite easy to do without losing much. Although the longer you do stay in one spot... the stronger and safer you become.


I understand your point. I agree too! However, your point is missing a bigger one. Zone is not KB. Zone is not arena play where you pick and choose what you want to roll with because there's only 6 or 8 spots available per team. There is absolutely no reason to choose which one is better in a zone as you can benefit from eother or both.... You think a /PD doesn't like standing in a triage beacons? No, they love it. As a matter of fact, I find that just about everyone enjoys standing a trapfield. lol well except the enemy.