Coyote_Seven

That's exactly what I do. Level 30 generic IOs until I reach level 47, and then I start equipping that character with IO sets (and HOs, depending on what I think is optimal). That also gives me adequate time to both plan out what sets I want to use, and also build up enough inf (mostly from playing the market) with which to do it.

Forget the potatoes. I always buy up the frozen concentrated orange juice.

Just make sure you've got your hands on the correct crop report.

Hey now there's an idea for enhancing PvP. Whoever defeats you with their attack gets a percentage of your inf. Like, ow!

Last I heard, prices of Google stock are going up after a very long plateau.

No, it's fly babies digesting. They don't call them cheese flies for nothing!

Cheese flies eat cheese. You're in denial!

Oh, REALLY???

Swiss cheese is dull and boring. I prefer the tastes of mozzarella, provolone, feta and parmesan.

American cheese just totally sucks.

I vaguely recall you once saying something about anything the game's mechanics allows to happen is therefore a legitimate action, or something to that affect?

Good luck with that. Most people on this board are more interested in posturing and being right than actual understanding. Sort of like playroom politicians.

I flip salvage and I also sell crafted items. They're both fun things to do. It's also fun to have billions of inf!

The counter argument to that is that the flipper's fun is causing a lot of unfun for the non-flippers. As an example: I'm certain that griefers are having a lot of fun, but their victims are quite likely not!

If only all flippers and farmers were loyal to each other!

But if you're busy not flipping, that just leaves more inf out there for me to scoop up!

Well that's how flipping usually works. You make reasonably low bids and then wait for the price on what you're trying to flip to move downward. Flipping only works because the prices for things on the market are in constant fluctuation, and they're in constant fluctuation because buyers are competing with other buyers to get the things they want.

What was the highest price yesterday might be the lowest price today, or vice-versa. So the saying is technically true, but anyone trying to espouse that as an absolute is being a bit myopic, I'd say.

Flippers are not being evil, they're being opportunistic. That's the whole point of flipping, isn't it? To end up having more inf that what you started with? And like I said above, the price is going to fluctuate mostly because the buyers are competing with one another. The seller is just taking advantage of the buyer's greed and impatience.

If every buyer had infinite patience and only ever bid 1 inf on everything, sellers would be forced to eventually acquiesce. But the buyers are human, so that's not going to happen!

Anecdotal evidence. Sometimes referred to as "hearsay" or the "'person who' fallacy". It is inherently unreliable. Even if the anecdote is true, it could still be used to draw to a false conclusion. Especially as most anecdotes are remembered in the first place for being exceptional rather than ordinary.

Did I get it? I got it! Yay!

Just to point out something here. I don't know about anyone else, but I get the rare and uncommon salvage I need to craft IOs intended for sale on the market from the AE ticket vendor. It's a lot faster and easier that way and it doesn't take very long to replenish those tickets. It's especially easier compared to trying to buy that salvage from the market!

I've never bugged a mod about anyone's replies to any of my posts on this board, ever. I don't understand why anyone would feel the need to do as such on a board like this.

Are you reading this board with your eyes closed?

I was talking about inside the game, not here on the boards. The posters on this board very likely only represent, at most, maybe 10% of the entire player population.

So big that you had to remind us of just how big they were in a parting shot? They must be huge! Gigantic!

I wouldn't exactly call it 'free'. More like, 'just a little bit of your time and some patience are required'.

I suspect that the majority of the players of this game are a lot younger than you or I (not that I'm attempting to guess your age mind you, but you seem rather intelligent), and thus impatient. Tomorrow doesn't exist for them and they are a bunch of whiny little Veruca Salts; they want it now! They're the ones who blast through the game's content in a race to get to level 50. The ones who loved to farm the heck out AE. They're twitchy and they can't stand still. If this was a single player game, they'd have figured out what cheat codes gave them all the loot long ago!

Luckily, I think most of them will outgrow that stage.

Since your entire thread is arguing about what Devil said and not me, I'm not about to try and guess at what his thoughts were when he can come in here and defend his own words if he wants to.

But if I'm 'regurgitating someone else's opinion' by simply agreeing with something someone else brought up (re: the perception of the market by non-marketeers), then I can turn around and tell you exactly the same thing. So go get an original opinion that has nothing to do with what anyone else has said around here and then we'll start talking... or whatever. 9.9

Gosh, I'm sorry! Your experience has been very different from mine.

This is a clear example of the misconceptions others have. I can't blame them, however, if they want to have some sort of haven from 'market manipulators'. But I don't know the specifics of this situation here other than what you've just told me.

You've never gotten any tells from grateful people who thanked you for your advice? Not one? I know for me, one 'thank you' note can do away with a hundred hate tells!

I must admit that I've enjoyed not only filling the coffers of each and every character I have (on Virtue, anyway), but now also that of the characters my friends play. I suppose that makes me an enabler of sorts since they no longer have to worry about 'crazy prices' since they could just ask me for a few hundred million inf here and there whenever they wanted, haha!

Never say never! That's exactly what those non-market savvy people do when they go to WentWorths to buy an NMI and see the last one sold for four million inf, then say the market is crazy and walk away in disgust!

Compared to the Taxibots, the helpful market experts in this game are far, far less visible.

For instance, have you ever taken the time while inside the game to stop at a WentWorth's or a Black Market truck and just share a few tips, and maybe take a few questions and correct certain misconceptions?

It's a perfect opportunity to use the 'lecture' emote.

Well then it would be nice if those mods were more consistent with enforcing that rule. I see people using 'so many words' to such baseless and underhanded accusations on this board all the time.

But for what it's worth, pardon my language. I'm still not convinced that anyone is going to be taking DevilYouKnow's words seriously, simply because he's saying things they don't want to hear. For some reason, people like to think that no one else's perceptions but their own actually count. But the collective perception of the players of this game most certainly does count, and if the non-market savvy folk outnumber the marketeers (and I'm certain that they do, by a very large number), then their perceptions of the market, however mistaken they might be, will be seen as true and regardless of what we actually know.

So we all can either laugh at their collective ignorance (and make the occasional jerk-moves on the market, ahem!), or, you know, actually try and steer them down the correct path by trying as hard as we can to ensure that the market is seen as consistent. Of course all of us here know that trying to manipulate NMIs on the market even for a short while is pure folly, but I'm not convinced that just any old random player who happens to see such manipulation in action is going to know what's actually happening or why. They're just going to see crazy prices, get exasperated by it and maybe whine to their friends about it, who will likely just take their word for it.

I am a nerd, not a geek.