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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler

I think I mean to say since the Dev's last commented on the whole issue of 'Can we have something that wouldn't appear with the word 'sexy' written before it on an ebay costume search'.

They said okay we won't do this in future.

Cue 'sexy' steampunk and now 'sexy' gunslinger, okay so the work is planned that far in ahead that the costume devs are at work on their new project while the set is in beta. Okay understanderable, but the idea that the work goes on so far ahead that they are still working on the 'sexy' design ethos from the magic pack beggers belief.

It's alright to say once again 'We'll look into it due to the feedback' but another thing when the next six months worth of costume packs are already being made with the 'sexy' gender locked design ethos.

Originally Posted by CactusBrawler

Not any time soon, not like within a year.

However do expect the Super Pack's to go live as designed, and the next costume pack to once more be cool for guys and stripper fashion for females.

Because that's what Feedback means according to Zwill, we give them our feedback and they might act on it some time in the future. I mean it's only been how many months since people gave negative feedback on the 'slutty' witch costume and lack of sensibly covering cool stuff?

Originally Posted by IndyStruck

Given that the whole fuss with this thread was the lack of dev response in the inital one, /any/ response in the Feedback thread could've made this a non-issue, I'd wager. As long as it wasn't a generic response.

Originally Posted by NightWarrior

Just to add an aside here. Im sure the way you described this is possible but would take many more man or woman hours and cost more money. Yet in another posted discussion peeps are railing at the ways CoX is trying to increase revenue which could be used for these very sorts of things. Interesting.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger

Feedback threads are useful.

We'll make changes where we are able to, such as the case with the COT revamp. In the event we don't act on it, we still store feedback in the collective data banks for future reference. Just because we don't make an immediate change to something doesn't mean we aren't listening (P.S. We are ), it just means that we didn't immediately act on it, for whatever reason.

Sometimes things take awhile to change one way or the other. Sometimes they don't change at all. Sometimes they change immediately. It's a part of the creative process when working on live product. We are listening and taking your thoughts into account. Sometimes we just have different viewpoint, and sometimes those viewpoints change .

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

Not unless you're reading too much into it.
Hell, I wouldn't have a partner if I didn't dig the ladies

But certain costumes just don't fit all characters. I have at least two who would have made use of the Showgirl outfit pieces.

I also had a concept for a DP/Poison Corruptor who dressed like a Gunslinger that I had hoped the 'Gunslinger' set would have had parts for. Chaps, belt, hoslters, maybe a new hat.
But nada.

Just as some female characters prefer spandex, tights or revealing clothes, some prefer armour, tough outfits and full cover. HOWEVER, only one of them is getting any parts as of late.

Originally Posted by Stormbird

However, it IS a part of the community requesting we get something other than underwear. YOU may be happy with it. Not everyone is. YOU aren't everyone.

"Something to remember."

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

You can gunfight in a bikini if you want to - in fact, if you pick the female gunslinger costume set option in the costume editor right off the bat, you will be - but I'd be concerned about not having anywhere to keep a pistol, and my entire outfit being set ablaze by a stray ember.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger

We've been closely following your feedback regarding this topic, both here and on the Beta forums. Unfortunately Cheryl, the artist who worked primarily on the Gunslinger Character Modelling, has been extremely pressed for time creating new costume sets and as such hasn't been able to post directly on the beta feedback thread. That being said, the feedback and concerns expressed have been communicated to the art and production team.

To address a few points

We've been trying to add unique and different costume pieces for female options for the sake of overall variety, however I understand some of the concerns being expressed here, as does the rest of the Art and Production team. Moving forward, where possible, we will be making more gender neutral/male pieces created for females so as to more accurately reflect the Communities requests. Because each costume piece has to be individually created (we can't CTRL+C, CTRL+V the pieces from male to female unfortunately ), this does mean that we will be offering less overall unique options, however we feel it's important to address this concern.

If anyone took offense to our artistic choices, I apologize. It's not our intent to offend anyone.

Regarding the pretinting of costume pieces: While pretinted pieces give the artists the ability to provide some very unique materials and add more visual interest to select pieces, we don’t want to limit your creativity, either. Moving forward, we'll be offering both a pretinted and untinted option for all pieces which we choose to make pretinted.

Thanks

-Z

Originally Posted by Fanservice

The last three packs have had nothing but corsets in them. Steampunk, Barbarian, Gunslinger. Corsets, Corsets, Corsets.

It's really, really hard to take any claims of "Not wanting to encourage people to sexualise their female characters" seriously when they're giving us nothing but options to do exactly that. The brain needs to tell either the mouth or the hands that one of them is not on message.

Originally Posted by Lothic

Admittedly it's a fine line the Devs have to balance with this. If the Devs took the hyper-strict path of "removing any option that could be abused" then we'd be playing this game with 100% hardwired pre-generated characters with zero options of customization.

It's really just a question of how much freedom the Devs are willing to give us factored by how much time and effort the Devs can spend providing us these options. My serious suspicion is that if resources were not an issue our Devs would be far more willing to provide us with potentially "questionable" options than most people realize.

Originally Posted by Eva Destruction

Well there is that too. But that particular ad shows a very distinct disparity in how the male and female costumes are presented. The preview clearly shows that this set will make your male characters look badass and your female characters look sexy. The heels do not help.

Originally Posted by Eva Destruction

No, the Barbarian pack wasn't in and of itself sexist. I'm all in favor of equal-opportunity near-nudity. And as an added bonus, the female top showed off your character's six-pack. Here they had a perfect opportunity to show off a sexy set that wasn't sexist and yet they still fouled it up in the marketing. The male characters in the preview looked tough and scary. The female character looked like Santa's Sexy Helper.

Originally Posted by Premonitions

Why would you not want it in a "perfect" game? seriously, now this just feels like railing against other people liking different things than you. In a hypothetical situation where everybody was satisfied you'd still argue against others being satisfied for no discernible reason?

Originally Posted by Lothic

In a perfect game we would have:

Customizable MM pets
Female MM pets
All costumes items available to all body types
A "female huge" body type
Female chest sliders that would allow for realistically flat chests
A male "package" slider
Un-nerfed female nipples
Allow for any color to be used for costume items
And probably a few dozen other things like this...

Will we ever get any of these things? My guess is no, at least not in this game because most of these things would simply take far too much Dev effort to justify. Still, all this talk about how many of these things will never happen because they would be "sexist" or "promote prostitution" does at the very least give me a good laugh from the point of view of how ironic it is.

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

Eh, on a personal note, I'd rather see the female sliders tweaked and adjusted to allow more diversity than a 'Huge' variant. I agree with the 'always skinny' thing, but wouldn't want to take it further than natural-ish.

On a technical note, I can see why they've never pursued that option. It would require re-coding an insane amount of things, recoding all the existing costume parts for female Huge and all the technical stuff like that. Simply making two female options for every male/huge option, while still time consuming, would be less consuming than that would be.

Originally Posted by Cosmic_Herald

I think Chase has the right idea on everything.
He recognizes that 'sex sells' and that this dev team is designing for what sells within the genre.
It really is a simple as that. What sells within this genre.

IF they choose to try Chase's idea and see what happens, they will, but I wouldn't expect them to do that. I don't think it would sell enough to justify their time and effort.

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

No, but they could release more options that covered the complaints.
How are more options a bad thing?

Originally Posted by Firemoth

Which goes back to the argument that 1) there is a way to report it, 2) most people have functioning brains who play this game and know better, and that 3) just because there is a possibility for it to happen, doesn't mean that the entire option should be removed.

Heck, they obviously didn't "err on the side of caution" with this set (or most of the female pieces), so why should they suddenly do it with other things? If the "potential" for the abuse of the emotes (the main ones being collapse, swoon, and pushups that were mentioned to me at the Pummit by other players) is so prevalent, then why not just remove the option instead of hiding behind excuses?

They also said people could be offended by the actions done to the pets, so that they were going to err on the side of caution and not do it. (Think of the children!) Yet they DIDN'T listen to the players when we brought up our grievences on this costume set, and brought it out anyway...which leads to a BIG double standard.

Originally Posted by Frostbiter

What people are complaining about is that if they added a princess costume it would look like this:



Rather than this:



Guess which picture was harder to find.

Originally Posted by Doc_Reverend

Or they could just make the Knight and Gunslinger parts for girls and skip the Saloon Girl and Princess. And I get the feeling that the vast, vast majority of the players would be HAPPY with that. Heck, I'd love it. I can get far more mileage out of chaps or medieval armor than I can out of another set of underwear.

Originally Posted by Firemoth

(sarcasm) Yes, because the MM will be sending their minions to dance on street corners and walk away with a john, while the others go with other johns.

The same could be said right now with the male pets. If it's a female commanding them, does that make her a Madam? The argument works both ways, yet we still have male pets instead of all gender neutral pets.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

That's the major problem - in real life, women wear anything, but men limit themselves to a much smaller choice of clothing types, which means that there aren't reall any clothes that are almost exclusively male, but there are plenty that are almost exclusively female, and that influences how people make their costumes in the game, and how the devs make the costume pieces.
For example, if there are some cool pants for the guys, then plenty of people will ask for them to be available for the girls too - but if there's a new skirt for females, hardly anyone will ask for it to be made available for males too - or if there's a shirt for guys, the girls will want it too, but if there's a corset, hardly any guys will want it - which means that costume part "equality" actually requires women to get twice as many parts as men, so something like the Gunslinger pack would need one male gunslinger outfit, one female gunslinger outfit, and the saloon girl outfit - or if there's a medieval pack, they'd need to make one knight outfit for men, one knight outfit for women, oplus a damsel/princess outfit for the women.