Bill Z Bubba

Because you're already going to get the current 60 month vet reward for "free" at 60 months. You're request is a waste of developer time and will create even more bad will amongst some of the player base.

You get to wait just like those that chose not to purchase CoV got to wait and get it for free.


What do you say then? That they're suckers? That they're selfish? That they're getting something unfairly? What?

At 60 months we could cancel our subs and continue playing for free? I don't think they'd go for that considering their profit model.

Or are you whining about Going Rogue costing money?

For your 15 bucks a month you get access to the live servers and we're about to get a major graphics update.

After that, if you choose not to get GR, you'll get the joy of watching all your friends have fun with the new crap while you're stuck without side switching, Praetoria, dual pistols and demon summoning.

Should GR have been part of normal content updates? Honestly? Yes, I think it should have been. Same goes for all the goody packs.

I've already bought them all except the valkyrie pack, regardless of that opinion. Why? Because my one month subscription to this game costs me the same as 3.5 lattes.

Ninja run+swift+sprint makes me a happy player. However, having run a build on my main that lacked fly, and now having it again, and now that I have the 60 month vet badge, I'll always take SJ or Fly at *some* point in the 20-30s.

While true 99% of the time, for we 1%ers.... well, we have registry hacks, don't we?

Let's check your math, shall we?

Claws attack chain: Followup, Slash, Focus, Strike. FU is double stacked. All attacks have 95% enhancement.

Note: Claws is a special case. Brute claws was tweaked (more claws tweaks on top of claws tweaks!) to have higher recharges, thus cost more end, thus do more damage.

Scrapper:
Base damage of chain: 287.285
Buffs: 2XFU-75%; enh-95%
Total damage of chain: 287.285*(1+.75+.95) = 775.67

Brute:
Base damage of chain: 209.958
Buffs: 2XFU-60%; enh-95%
Fury needed to catch up to scrapper: 775.67/209.958 = 3.69; 3.69 - 1 - .6 - .95 = 1.14 or 114% damage buff or 57% fury. Just over half a fury bar.

EDIT: Forgot crits: 853.237 for the scrapper; 151% damage needed for brute, 75% fury.



Let's test your build up thought using my original post:
Scrapper smite (I know, DM doesn't get BU, but it doesn't matter) does 82.582 base.
Brute Smite does 55.055 base.

Scrap w/95% enhancements, 100% from BU and 10% crits:
(82.582*(1+.95+1))*1.10 = 267.979

Brute BU is 80%
267.979/55.055 = 4.867 - 1 - .95 - .8 = 2.117 or 211.7% more damage needed or over 100% fury.

OH NO!! However, BU isn't a permanent buff, as you did state. With three SOs knocking the recharge down by close to half, you're talking up 10, down 35, 28% buff over time.

That changes the equations to:
(82.582*(1+.95+.28))*1.10 = 202.574

Brute BU accounting for downtime is 22.4%
202.574/55.055 = 3.679 - 1 - .95 - .224 = 1.505 or 150.5% damage needed or 75.25% of the fury bar.


Brutes still win.

I actually agree. I see no reason to make the fitness powers inherent. My only wish is for the pre-stamina levels to suck less. We've made great strides in that area already:

Beginner's luck for hitting our enemies
Temp travel powers
Better lowbie contact/missions design redside
Inventions (if you really want to get silly and frankenslot that early)
Vet attacks

I'm sure that there's more. I really only came into this thread to argue against the "you don't NEED stamina!!!" crowd.

You don't *need* enhancements to get to level 50 either.

While I'm a fan of leaving well enough alone on the I-7 since CHV isn't going to be pushing enough to utilize it properly, the above statement was flatly proven false using a P4-3GHz-HT. Enabling the renderthread flag within CHV showed about a 15% performance boost on that proc while hyperthreading was enabled.

Had you bothered to read the thread you wouldn't have needed to ask that and you would have also seen the arguments showing that your stated belief is great for people that enjoy playing inefficient and sub-par characters.

Precisely... ew.

Energy Transfer, Gloom, Bonesmasher, Total Focus, repeat

Last night on my lvl 14 ma/sd I ran into a spawn in Steel Canyon that consisted of 1 yellow boss, 1 white lt and 4 blue minions. By the end of that fight I had 8 endurance left out of 100.

Entering the door mission I was headed to I was greeted at the door by a single yellow lt immediately followed up with a patrol of 6 white minions. I had to pop a blue to get through that fight.

This character has an end-red in each attack, and one in battle agility. Deflection doesn't get one because it is slotted 3def/3damres.

And I would then have to insist on you explaining how you're slotting this character that you're soloing with and how long it takes to you to get through a base difficulty paper/scanner mission.

You've already admitted that a character without stamina is less efficient than one with it, so we can take from this that I'm building in a way that is gaining something for being less end efficient than yours.

Ahh, that explains that.

That's precisely what we are arguing about. My stance on this can be repeated now: Endurance management is far too easy after 22 and far too much of a pain in the *** before hand.

Yes, I would expect and accept a drop in ALL endurance recovery powers if the base was increased. I agree with everyone in this thread that have stated as long as the end result is the same recovery at 50 that we have now, then all would be well with me. Do I actually expect this to happen? Nope.

Do I think it more likely that we'd get something similar to the beginner's luck tohit buff we get but for endurance as Lemur Lad mentioned? Yup. Would I be happy with that as well? Absolutely.

Only at 50.

I just got done playing my level 24, now 25, claws/wp brute for an hour. He only has QR but it is 3slotted.

I think I ran through 4 scanner missions. I used rest 0 times. I *think* I'm set at +0/x3, but it might be x4.

There were plenty of moments that I had to eat a blue to keep going. Or a luck when I was taking too much damage too quickly.

It's all about finding a balance.

When is it somewhat tough? Pre-stamina/SOs. How tough is it? I leave diff at x2 and rest more often. Will I still be back up to high fury during a single spawn? Yup.

We really don't need that analysis. Go for 75% fury and call it a day.

We could sit down and work out exactly how many outgoing and incoming attacks it takes to reach and maintain 90% fury, but really, what's the point?

Fury generation is freaking simple. Sprint between spawns. Use brawl if nothing else is ready to fire off. Beat crap up. Maintain 60-90% fury without issue all the way through a mission after stamina and SOs.

It isn't rocket surgery. Team with 7 other brutes? Sure, you might have fury issues, but it's not going to matter with that much damage flying around.

Yes, yes, we could all run away mid-fight or count to 10 between attacks. The first isn't any fun and the second will get us killed. Not my cup of tea.

Yes, we could drop our difficulty to -1/x1 no bosses no avs. Also not fun. And we'd still have to rest (or stand there not being able to rest) every other spawn.


You're the one that capitalized "your."

It and the following statements annoyed me because to avoid "MY" horrific failure of running out of endurance during a fight my choices are:

Inspiration use. Absolutely. I use the hell out of them. Every time I have three of something else they become a blue.

Rest. That's been covered quite well in this thread. It appears we all agree that having the recharge time removed would please a great many of us.

Running away due to lack of end to attack with. No. I'll use brawl until enough end comes back up for another attack.

That's it. 3 options. None of which are very good.

I understand WHY endurance is in the game, Sam. For me and the way I build my characters, it's an extreme nuisance from 1 to 21 and a non-issue after that. I'd like to see a less binary view on it.

I hope that last bit there answers your question. We have the tools to make endurance usage meaningless AFTER a certain point. Before that, it's as much a nuisance game balance element as the time sink of hero side contacts sending you zone hopping every other mission. The saw the error of their ways when they made CoV and there vastle less zone hopping on that side.

I would like, someday, for the devs to correct both the 1-21 sucks due to weak enhancements and a lack of stamina just as much as I'd like to see hero side contacts start keeping you in their own zones.

They go get rid of TOs and DOs completely and let us have SOs at level 1. That right there would probably be enough to fix the end hassles, but then they'd have to go through and ramp up all the 1-21 enemy groups. We all know that this would probably be considered too much work.