Bill Z Bubba
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Quote:As I have stated, this game is full of grinding and farming. Giving people the choice of what they wish to grind/farm/whatever should be on the plate.Originally Posted by AquaJAWS
It still takes effort from the team to take out all of the shards and put in threads. Then its still a grind, just not of the incarnate trials and we'll have other issues from another group of people. You can't please everyone.
For incarnate progression, it isn't. A possible solution to lessen the time versus reward disparity has been presented. Only time will tell what the devs will do with it. -
Quote:What did your static team do about the solo-only missions in Praetoria?Originally Posted by Sermon
Just an aside,
Bill, I like the idea of solo incarnate stuff, but I don't want to see any content which demands a team smaller than 8. I really like playing in static groups, and having content locked out because of my team size would be unfortunate. I don't care if some players can speed through this or that mission. -
Quote:Which is precisely why my primary request, getting rid of shards completely and replacing them with threads, doesn't involve creating new content.Originally Posted by AquaJAWS
Nothing bothers me about requesting things. What irks me is people's expectations of the time frame that things are going to get done. It takes a significant amount of time to produce good content that could be used to accomplish this. Since they've announced what is going to be in issue 21 already, at this point they probably aren't going to squeeze any more into it if its not there already. It may be already, we don't know. They are probably well into issue 22 development as well currently and at least planning 23 and maybe even 24 at this point.
21, unless its already in there or planned for, probably won't see any changes toward a solo path. 22 is possible, as is further into the future. Just make sure your expectations on the speed of the reaction from the devs is intact. -
I have already lead 3 lambdas and a BAF. It wasn't an effort any more than logging into the game. It was a nuisance.
Here's lambda.
Repeat call to global and broadcast that trial is forming.
As players join, place in appropriate group. Equalize ATs.
Once desired league size is attained, queue it up.
Run lap. Clear courtyard. Clear guns.
Split up. Blow items up.
Give all grenades to appropriate player.
Close doors with acid.
Keep Marauder pacified.
Repeat. Yea, it's SOOO very difficult. No wait, it isn't. It's annoying. Especially that part where I'm standing around doing nothing but clicking invite to league/move to team X.
I could be killin stuff instead if only there were some other viable way to get the shinies. -
Quote:I'd rather not wait years for a workable solo incarnate path, thanks.Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
You wait for the next round of non trial stuff. Just like people who like big group raids/trials had to wait for years for something they liked.
Acting like everything from now on forever and ever is gonna be related to this feature and locked behind a wall you're unwilling to climb is shortsighted at best, moronic at worst. -
Quote:How many threads have I started on the topic, FT?Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
If only there were a forum for suggestions where you can post this wonderful idea instead of over and over again in General Discussions.
How many posts have you made in THIS thread alone?
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Able to start solo. Max team size small enough that no one can zerg through it. If I can't solo the 54 AV, I'm allowed to bring up to two more players, no more than that, to assist. Awards are adjusted accordingly. We have min team sizes, the devs can do max team sizes as well.
You will continue to dismiss this request and spam these threads. I will continue to shoot down your arguments until you stop.
It is as it always has been. -
Quote:Why would the devs introduce near-gamebreaking powerlevels in a way that all you had to do was farm two trials for a few hours a night over the course of less than two weeks?Originally Posted by Furio
Would you mind addressing the rest of the post? I would seriously like an answer to it. Why would the devs want to make access to near-gamebreaking powerlevels easier for those that don't want to do trials, when trials are the only content currently designed for that power?
Never mind the fact that the fact that people are continuing to make threads about the (intentional) inefficiency of solo-earning incarnate stuff is akin to asking for it NAO (even though all involved should understand the basics of how PS developments content and the kind of timeframes they deal with)
That's a good question.
Of course the followup questions is why would they do so in a way that ONLY farming those two trials gets you there?
That's a better question. -
Quote:Oh look! Friggin Taser is lying about me again! I have been posting in threads, true. But spamming them to sabotage the normal functionality of the forums? Mmmmm, no. This is just like old times, man. Remember? Back before that really long forum break you took?Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
Okay, so spamming the same thread over and over again on a daily basis and throwing a forum tantrum is okay as long as you get what you want? Got you.
We get it: you want soloable incarnate content. The devs have heard your cries. And since we're doing trials now that have been in the works for at least a year, it's going to take time to make them. We know there are strike teams doing specific things, so the argument of "ALL RESOURCES ARE DOING RAIDS" now is not credible in this situation.
So if you are saying you and your ilk are essentially holding the forum hostage with the same anti-raiding threads posted multiple times daily, please let us know now. It'll be nice to have a list of forum saboteurs to point to. -
Quote:Hmm, I HAVE admitted that there are people that enjoy the trials. I've even, again, stated that I'm happy for them that they go their raid content. Why are you lying about what I've stated?Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
And we come to the crux of the problem with the anti-raid sentiment on this forums.
Facts are no longer useful. Only the observations of those who support your ideas are are truly useful. Ignore the fact that RWZ is packed daily with people doing PUG raids, since you can explain that away as "it's the only way to earn incarnate awards" instead of admitting that some people like the trials themselves. I know I've run trials on characters I've already maxed T4'd on just because I like to lead them and help others or even like the random teaming to meet new people.
But let's ignore that, because my anecdotal evidence gets in the way of your anecdotal evidence. And since I'm not going to pester the forum community at large by making 4-5 threads a day to post the SAME anecdotal evidence the anti-raiding crowd is, I guess my own experience is trumped by their ability to spam their discontent.
I might be grinding trials. But you are grinding discontent on a message board. At least in the end of the day, I get some shiny badges and some salvage for my troubles.
At the end of the day (where day is a metaphor for some period of time) what I'll get is quite likely the same thing I've gotten in the past for expressing my opinions on this forum: What I Want.
I wanted SR to get fixed after the GDN. It was. I wanted the Jekyll and Hyde feel of dominators changed. It was. I wanted the feeling back I used to get in the permalude days. I got it with IOs. Did I CAUSE all of that to happen? Of COURSE not. But I was part of what brought about those changes.
Matter of fact, the only thing that I've really wanted and cared strongly about for an extended period of time that has NOT happened yet is offline group invites.
I'm glad to see so many threads pop up on this topic as I'm sure anyone is when they see something they care about get brought up.
Fine. Blame me for the "discontent" on the forums. I'll take it happily and grin about it later when the situation has been resolved.
In the meantime, I'll keep slapping down bad arguments against a change some of us want. -
Quote:He doesn't care about that part. It doesn't flow with his sound bites properly.Originally Posted by Santorican
So how do I get shines if I don't grind?
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Quote:Arcanaville figured that one out. She might talk about it in one of her signature links.Originally Posted by Enantiodromos
Ah-- so, it's quantized 750 server tics in 99 seconds? Including the extra one? Thanks BZB. Anywhere I can go read about how somebody decided it worked this way?
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Quote:You'll have to excuse me if I don't consider your observation skills worth much. Confirmation bias is quite common.Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
I don't need a citation when I can observe for myself. Currently, the most vocal people on this forum are those that are soloers or players disgruntled with the incarnate trial emphasis. They tend to come to these forums for their socializing, and play the game predominately alone and in an instance. You would probably fit this archetype, Bill Z.
The people that enjoy iTrials and teaming are out there playing the game, using global channels, and forming Super Groups and Leagues. They only come to these forums for information and occasional participation. I have rarely if ever heard players call for solo content in the busiest global chat channels in the game, but it is a daily event on these forums with a string of recycled names leading the charge.
If the forums were emblematic of the broader player base, at least with regards to desired solo content, I should hear more than a ping while playing the game.
From your description, those that enjoy itrials have no families or jobs an don't spend any time on the forums? What are you doing here? However, I know that your description is false. I use global channels and am involved with groups on both red and blue sides. Those groups consist of like minded individuals. The global channel I use for fun to chat while I'm soloing and to join a team should the desire come up.
Did it not occur to you that those you aren't hearing asking for solo content on the global channels are either soloing and don't care or have realized that asking for solo content there serves no purpose? What about the people, as I've mentioned multiple times, that don't gripe in the trials while running them due to the complete lack of any other options for no other reason but that it would also serve no purpose there? -
Quote:It hasn't in seven years. It won't now.Originally Posted by Blacier
Soloing will destroy the game!!!
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Quote:How about "I just ran a 5 mission arc with multiple objectives that took an hour and a half and ended with me having to take down a level 54 AV that ignores the No AV difficulty scaling?"Originally Posted by bpphantom
I beat up 10 skulz! I r inkarnate! Rawr!
Really Bill?
Max number of players allowed in arc: 3. Is able to be started with 1. Grants 1 emp merit at completion once a day. Grants chance for astral merits at objective completion. Drops threads.
So yes... really. -
Quote:Citation needed. I see a lot of people stating that the soloing contingent on the CoH forums is much higher than in game and yet I've never seen a single shred of evidence for that statement.Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
You're getting a little too preachy on this subject Moo. I would just like to point out that soloers are a sizable and very vocal portion of the forums, but a rather small percentage of the overall community and the market that MMOs appeal to.
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Quote:Agreed. I'd be happy with one solo incarnate arc per every 4 itrials.Originally Posted by Chuckles07
And as we exist in a world with finite resources, sometimes there have to be trade offs. Sometimes one person gets what they want, while another doesn't.
BZZT. Wrong again. Many players are only doing the itrials because there is no viable path outside of said trials. I was one of them and will be again.Quote:Originally Posted by Friggin_Taser
The "Players want solo content, not raids" mentality is proven false every single night in Pocket D and RWZ by the masses lining up to still do Lambda and BAFs as well as Keyes. -
Howdy.
Fire cages base recharge is 8. With 95% enhancement, new recharge is 8/1.95 = 4.103
Stated cast time is 1.03 but a more accurate version of that is the Arcanatime:
((1.03/.132) rounded up + 1)*.132 = 1.188 seconds.
Recharge starts at the end of cast time. Time from activation to next activation is:
1.188 + 4.103 for 5.291 seconds. -
Quote:You're right, there will be complaints. And the game won't blow up because of it.Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
You know what. I give up. You win. Not because you've convinced me. Because you've all shouted me down to the point that there is nothing to be gained by trying to say anything else.
CLEARLY having something set up where you perform X task to gain Y reward is not good enough. Maybe someday I'll see the light and have the epiphany where demanding the makers of a video game do what *I* want them to do seems to be the right course of action.
Hope you all get what you want, but I'm pretty sure that, since the devs have been unable to satisfy any of you for quite a while now you aren't going to be happy with it when you get it.
I look forward to seeing the inevitable complaints about any non-trial incarnate system that is introduced. Because you all know as well as I do that there WILL be complaints. Probably just as many of them as there are about this.
It didn't blow up when tanks got bruising. It didn't blow up when defenders got their scaling down as team size goes up damage buff. It didn't blow up when SR got DDR. All the redside players didn't mass-migrate to blueside when we got sideswitching.
And the itrials won't turn into complete ghost towns if a solo incarnate path is added. -
Quote:Nope. Every archetype and powerset is designed specifically so that it CAN solo from 1 to 50. Soloing has always been part of the design philosophy for this game.
I know you can solo in the game a lot if you have a toon build that can, I do myself if I am not offering TF's on sals global channel. However I was under the belief that all content created was made with teaming in mind.
And now there are missions in game that you have to solo, aren't there? In Praetoria? Or am I misremembering that? -
Quote:And the devs are creating more trials. How nice for the people that want them.Originally Posted by Chuckles07
It appears that a greater number of players want more trials. Also I'm sure there are a group of players that want mounts, Hawaiian shirts and pvp, and they may be a larger group as well.
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Quote:I already answered to this same question from you in another thread.Originally Posted by BrandX
I think this might be a bit more of a problem if there was some reason for the solo character to actually need the incarnate abilities outside of "I just want them, but don't need them, just want them fast, so I can move on."
Solo players want to become Incarnates, I get that. Alpha, easy enough to get unlocked solo. Just do the arc.
I see you have a team vs solo account of how long it takes to get rewards. But nothing said of why one would even need the abilities solo.
If a soloist doesn't need incarnate abilities, the team players need them even less. Everything in this game is easier and faster for those on teams. This is by design.
Your incorrect belief that soloists don't "need" incarnate abilities while those teaming do does nothing but tell us you don't know what soloists have been doing for the last seven years. -
Quote:As long as this arc also granted an emp merit at completion (once per day as per itrial,) astral merits (as per itrials) and random threads, I'd be all for it. Again, make the enemies level 54 to keep it all comparable.Originally Posted by Charnage
Another addition to my idea would be to add a story arc that allowed for each Incarnate power to be unlocked.
Maybe they plan on doing this once Paragon Points comes out. But a story arc for each Incarnate Power would be nice. I wouldn't mind if it was something like a Patron arc, with its 10-20 missions to complete, if it was meant to be similar to the grind of Incarnate Trials.
Would anyone be opposed to something like this?
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Quote:I would not consider this reasonable.
And I would suggest again, what if reasonable goals are simply unlocking the incarnate slots and putting a tier 1 power in them?
What I consider reasonable is the equitable level of time to rewards for soloists that exists in every other part of this game.
The time it takes me to solo to 50 versus the time it takes a player that teams all the time is currently reasonable in my opinion.
The time it takes me to solo to an IO build versus someone that teams I also consider reasonable.
The time it takes me to earn the inf necessary to buy a PvP unique IO versus the time it takes someone who AFK farms for them is equitable in my opinion.
This is not the case for incarnate advancement. I consider this wrong. Not fair. Not equitable. Not in line with the rest of the game. Not reasonable or rational.
EDIT: Great. Now I'm channeling Mordin Solus. -
Quote:Some of the people posting in this thread have stated that in other threads. Everything else you just stated is true.Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Who's saying that? I know all I've said is that it exists; not that it's a good option, just that it's the only option if you want to solo.
It is not a good option for soloists. It is the only option for soloists.
Some of us, I dare say, many of us, consider this a mistake that needs to be corrected.