Aurealis

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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.

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This.

The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.

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lol, if that's not the definition of naive I don't know what is. I admit the media didn't help matters but to blame them entirely is just narrow-minded.

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It's certainly an oversimplificion, but I'n my job it's something I have to do a lot.

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Oversimplification? You mean you took out all the other people responsible and just blamed the media.

It's like saying the problems in Brighton are the fault of the people starting the server merge threads.

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aha! now we get to the bottom of it. is this inside information?

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the truth of the matter is u wont see the full nature of i13's demise until the q1 fy 2009 is realease as i13 was only realeased on the 2nd of dec

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The truth of the matter is that Issue 13 had a sustained positive effect on server populations and subs.

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it may have done alex but the fact remains a lot of ppl are unhappy with everything that went on before and after it (and also new issues espically after a 9mnth wait will always bring in more ppl)

What happened in the weeks leading upto i13 was absolutely absurd and inexcusable on soo many lvls please explain y that was even allowed to happen and also explain why it had such a notoriously bad effect on the older subscribers

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i think you need to speak for yourself. I have been playing for quite a while and the only thing that really bugged (forgive the pun) me about i13 is the nose dive the game took in stability. Never known so many crashes and bugs to appear in one issue. Except maybe i7.

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Surely if the media doomsaying caused some people to alter their spending habits it could have lead to or exacerbated the recession.

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This.

The media caused the credit crunch, which caused the recession.

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lol, if that's not the definition of naive I don't know what is. I admit the media didn't help matters but to blame them entirely is just narrow-minded.

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I am right, and you're very welcome

pats Khorak on the head

Now run along like a good boy

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Oh shut up you idiot, you failed entirely to grasp the point being made and even enforced my reasoning that a united UK team would, and does, perform better.

Next time I'll write a lengthy treatise in crayon with a legal advisor, to make sure it's airtight enough to absolutely guarantee some tool like you can't ignore the entire subtext and explicit meaning in order to make some meaningless nitpick constructed entirely for some masturbatory smug satisfaction.

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Over-reaction much?

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Thanks for the well wishes, everyone.

My position is 'potentially redundant' within the Brighton office, and at the current time I intend to accept voluntary redundancy. I'm not interested in living in the US.

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In the long run Australia is a better proposition. Will you be thinking of heading back?

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Don't they have spiders the size of sheep there?

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That made me lol for some reason. Think it's just the thought of that actually being true. I'd not go within 1000 miles if it was.

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Australia has spiders so big that they have health bars.

See?

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Ew! just EW! please don't do that again :< I'd have a freak out if I ever saw one of them in my flat. I'd never go back in here again.

A weird thing happened when i was zoning into my SG base. i used the Atlas base portal and during the loading screen it said 'MapShuttingDown you have been disconnected from the server' or that's a close approximation anyway. I had to restart the whole thing and there was nothing wrong with my net connection because i was watching my modem at the time.

Was just really weird, with everything going on lately i thought they'd pressed the server power button

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Thanks for the well wishes, everyone.

My position is 'potentially redundant' within the Brighton office, and at the current time I intend to accept voluntary redundancy. I'm not interested in living in the US.

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In the long run Australia is a better proposition. Will you be thinking of heading back?

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Don't they have spiders the size of sheep there?

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That made me lol for some reason. Think it's just the thought of that actually being true. I'd not go within 1000 miles if it was.

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#4: Talshak the mystic, (as you may or may not know), walked barefoot most of his career, like most mystics, - which produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet. He also ate very little due to his remote position down in Grendal’s Gultch in The Hollows, this made him rather frail and with his odd diet, he suffered from bad breath. This made him .... (Oh, deary me!… this is so bad, it's good) .... A super calloused fragile mystic hexed by halitosis.

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lol! I don't know why I found that so funny, but I did!

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Thanks for the well wishes, everyone.

My position is 'potentially redundant' within the Brighton office, and at the current time I intend to accept voluntary redundancy. I'm not interested in living in the US.

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Best of Luck GR hope everything goes well for you in the future. Any word what's gonna happen to us?

Snickers is a much better name than if i recall correctly 'Marathon'. Makes you feel you need to run a ruddy marathon just to burn it off.
Not a big fan of Snickers bars anyway Milky Way ftw!

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Spades a Spade.

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Unless you are playing 500 when it can be a club...

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Or, I'd guess, on the US forums (where we may soon be) where I wouldn't be surprised if Spade is censored.

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I blame it all on Diggis. It was him, with the candlestick, in the lounge, I'm sure of it!

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Including the Shirley Crabtree Appreciation Society?

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I sense that responding to this comment may date posters just as surely as any carbon dating, ring-counting or peeking at birth certificates could...

It'll be spangles next.

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Well I can safely say I'm not very old then, considering I don't have a clue and cba to Google it

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I use Space-bar to jump, do I qualify for Elitism?

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I suspect we all do.

If you think you're not Elitist you are, necessarily, regarding yourself as being better than all those horrid Elitists out there. And that's Elitist thinking in itself.

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That's not true at all, you can think someone has an attitude problem and needs to fix it but not think yourself better than them. I am by no means perfect and I'm sure I have flaws they do not. I'm just willing to say something about it without worrying whether it will be popular or not. Spades a Spade.

Meh I type how I speak, lifetime of chatting for you.

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i bet she did , covertly .." eat up your fish/meat so you grow up fit and strong "

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Corrected for accuracy according to my childhood memories.

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What kind of person needs to be told to eat their meat?!

Veges yes, but meat is so darn good.... Mmmmm Minted Lamb.

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I thought we discussed this already, Minted Lamb must bow down to the awesomeness that is Gammon and Pineapple

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Now thats just elitist!

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lol! how did i know you were going to say that
not elitist, just gammonist.

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i bet she did , covertly .." eat up your fish/meat so you grow up fit and strong "

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Corrected for accuracy according to my childhood memories.

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What kind of person needs to be told to eat their meat?!

Veges yes, but meat is so darn good.... Mmmmm Minted Lamb.

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I thought we discussed this already, Minted Lamb must bow down to the awesomeness that is Gammon and Pineapple

While this thread hasn't really done anything to change attitudes it's shown the people who in-fact do think like that and those who are more reasonable and friendly.
If New people now feel they can go to some of the more reasonable people for advice or a fun team, then at least something positive has come out of it. Which is what i was aiming for in the first place.

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There is no double standard because i simply know i am not elitist in anyway shape or form. I don't think myself better than anyone else, i use my knowledge of the game to help others. If i thought i was elitist in anyway then i would not have made this thread because a) that would make me a hypocrite and b) it would not qualify me to make the judgements i have already.

If anything the behaviour your now expressing proves my point that in-fact some people on here are on a high horse and can't express an opinion without throwing around accusations to make themselves feel better

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And I say again, a little clearer this time. ANYthing one person can do can be seen as elitist by another, and vice versa. As for you being qualified to make such "judgements", why are you any more qualified to make them than anyone else here, including myself? See, again, that's an elitist attitude you're taking there. You can judge people as elitists, but they can't do the same. So who's the elitist?

Don'tcha just LOVE turnabout?

As for me being on a high horse, actually it's quite a low swivel chair, and rather comfy too. I'm no more throwing around accusations than you are; less so in fact because I didn't consider myself qualified to judge other people and call them elitists. You're the one who did that, all by your lonesome.

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lol there is no turnabout your just proving my point. If you actually read what i said, if i was at all elitist in anyway i would not be able to make the judgements i already have because that would make me a hypocrite. It'd be wrong of me to tell others not to do something and be doing it myself. Seeing as i'm not doing it, i have the right to make that judgement, in my opinion.

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Don'tcha just LOVE turnabout?

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I love the fact you said that because it shows everyone how your turning this into a 'i'm better than you and i can get one over on you arguement'. It shows that you among others have this exact attitude towards many on this server just because you have been here longer. You feel that now your established you can treat any opinion like rubbish because noone will say anything to the contrary.

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See, again, that's an elitist attitude you're taking there.

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If that's not a judgement, i don't know what is.

Frankly i didn't want to turn this into an arguement, i've said my bit. Feel free to continue to try and get one over on me. I've made my point and plainly your helping make it for me too. i should be thanking you

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Any insinuation that i am in any way Elitist is frankly, offensive.

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I wasn't. As JawDropper said, I was merely demonstrating that such an attitude can easily be SEEN as being elitist. That's just the way the world goes. You see certain peoples behaviour as elitist, so you made a thread saying so; then you take offense when someone else points out that something YOU do could also be seen as elitist.

See the double standard there?


Oh, and JawDropper.. You're not one of my fanboys? I'm hurt!

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There is no double standard because i simply know i am not elitist in anyway shape or form. I don't think myself better than anyone else, i use my knowledge of the game to help others. If i thought i was elitist in anyway then i would not have made this thread because a) that would make me a hypocrite and b) it would not qualify me to make the judgements i have already.

If anything the behaviour your now expressing proves my point that in-fact some people on here are on a high horse and can't express an opinion without throwing around accusations to make themselves feel better

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Thing is, this in itself is actually very elitist as you're saying you don't want to play with other people, just the ones you consider to be fun and good to play with.

Elitism goes more than one way.

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If you had any idea about the amount of PuG's i create and lead to most people's enjoyment then you would not have said that. I think it takes a lot of effort to lead a team and make sure everyone's not only enjoying themselves, but going at a good pace. This includes New players as well as Old. I do my best to make friends everywhere and to help people whenever i can. Any insinuation that i am in any way Elitist is frankly, offensive.

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Perhaps something similar for SB ?

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Crack seems to fit most SB dialogs...

"Crack plz. Crack pleeease. Gimme crack NOW!"

"F**king kin. Stop hitting me with that crack. I'm bouncing off the walls."



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LMAO quoted for pure hilarity!

Edit: Just to say LOL you made my night, been giggling for the last 5 minutes

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To the OP, I hope your friend can learn to ignore the goits and enjoy the rest.

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Maybe i'm just feeling a little annoyed at the fact that she feels she can't team with others simply because she's worried they'll say something about how she's chosen to create her character, Which is making me a little biased I know it's not everyone and i did mention in my first post I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush, there are plenty of respectable people in this game. Minority ruins it for the rest.

For me personally i like the social aspect of the game. I like to play as well as chat and have a laugh. There is a guy who is probably going to read this, who is funny as hell and i absolutely adore teaming with him, he usually has me in fits of laughter by the end of the night, though he won't post on the forums for some reason. I also have a penchant for dying which i find quite refreshing. I have brought my friend into this environment now and she's enjoying herself like she should be.

I just wonder how many new people leave because they don't get to experience this due to the fact that emphasis is placed more on your build and power combinations than actual fun. I don't feel it's anyone else's job to be telling others how they should be playing/how to build a character, unless they ask you too. People should be allowed to have whatever powers they like and whatever power selection they like without fear of repercussions from others.

Maybe that's an ideal world but i don't think it's unachievable.

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While I'm sure there are people who think they know all and have a serious case of elitism I think it's unfair to say that it's that bad on this forum.

I'm a total noob when it comes to how to play stuff in this game.I hit random power buttons and most of the time it works out well enough...(okay...you do learn a thing or two after so many months) and I never felt that people on here treated me as a noob or thought of me different.

So, while I'm not saying there aren't people on here and in the game who are elitist I think some of you are exaggerating the problem.

Imo of course.

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Exactly what I'm saying. There might be a few individuals who portray such behaviour at times; but it most definitely is NOT a problem here.

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I'm sorry but i don't agree. I'm not getting into the whole name and shame game but there are a few people on here that facilitate this behaviour quite often. As if their opinion is the only one that matters because of 'experience' and everyone else can go to hell. Heck i've even seen someone post something akin to 'not interested, go away' as if they're the grand master of the forum and have the right to tell people what they can and cannot talk/post about.

If i'm honest i'd expect more respectful comments from people who have been here for a while. What people forget is that when New people join these forums they have their own opinion on things and want to express it. So they make posts about it. It's probably been said before but they've never given their take on it, so they go ahead and do it anyway. People are going to have to accept that new discussions on same subjects are going to happen regardless if they've seen them before or not. If you don't want to participate in a certain discussion due to duplication, you don't post in it and let those otherwise inclined to let the OP know their opinions do so. The search argument is also null in my opinion because people simply get flamed for resurrecting a dead thread, so New people are doomed no matter what they decide to do.

Seriously if a duplicate thread were a problem then GR would remove it, But he doesn't. Going over the same ground with new people is an inevitable part of forums and will always be. There is really no need for people to be arrogant or be a self appointed moderator about other people's posts in my opinion.

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I'm glad I'm not alone in my opinion
I know that every new player is not going to be easy to help. Some people just live to cause trouble but i don't think giving them the benefit of the doubt to begin with is too much to ask. Not everyone bothers to check Vet Rewards, i know i don't simply because i'm not a believer in the more Vet Rewards you have the better you are. I tend to take people on face value and work with them how they are, I run alot of teams and people generally seem to really enjoy them so i must be doing something right.

I remember once we were in a team and someone i invited didn't like the way i was using Hurricane. They were a tank, so they decided to aggro everything on the map, get everyone killed and leave the team. I know it's not a common occurrence but it's exactly that sort of 'i know better than you' attitude that i'm starting to see more of lately.

I've been playing for years, never really joined the forums before and i still have not learnt everything there is too know. I'm not perfect and there are many depths in this game i have yet to plunder e.g. the Shadow Shard tf's. I like to play the game to have fun, to be able to run in and die laughing rather than worrying about what power to use and when. My friend is constantly worrying about this sort of stuff, what power to use, how to slot etc. not because she wants to be, but because she's worried what people will say if she doesn't. I'd like to see new players able to relax and just go with the flow at least to begin with rather than worrying about pleasing everyone else.

I don't think it much to ask for someone new to be able to join a team and not worry if someone will notice if they're not slotted correctly or that they didn't take a certain power because it's 'essential'.

I'm not really meaning to rant, I just genuinely want new people to feel welcome and not have to worry about advanced game systems simply because someone with attitude thinks they should be using them.

I don't want to make this into some kind of rant but i really do think that some people in this game are getting more and more of an Elitist attitude.

Some think that because they've been here longer or played the game a while, it is their right to treat everyone else like idiots, Like they're lower than they are just because they don't play 7 days a week. I have a dear friend who is relatively new to the game and i'm doing my best to teach her all about it. However she is scared to death of teaming with some people because if she makes a single mistake or doesn't do something, they treat her like the worlds going to end and that she's a world class idiot, When really she's just new to the game and is learning the ropes.

It's not just in game either, on these very forums there are people that really believe they can dismiss any topic and tell people to get lost just because They have been here longer and therefore have discussed the topic before. We wonder why we get few new people and i for one believe it's for this exact reason.

I'm in no way intending to tar everyone with the same brush, i'm sure there are just as many good people out there who do their best to help others, I certainly try my hardest to help new players. I just feel like there are some that automatically think that Age = Wisdom, which i'm sorry is just not the case. A more understanding attitude would go a long way imho, to making this game better all round.

I just had to get that out before i go eat my Sunday Roast <3