Aerageil

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Don't know if anyone cares about this, but I just logged onto the test server and checked Chilling Embrace in the Blaster line-up of powers. According to the text describing the power, a blaster's version of Chilling Embrace does have the new -damage aspect as well. I am assuming then that Jack Frost's Chilling Embrace does as well.



So, if yall want to up your -damage numbers I recommend teaming with ice blasters and controllers now

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Y'know that really irks me - once again what is supposed to be an Ice Tanker change/fix/addition becomes a change that is for more than just Ice Tanks. So again, what might have been a niche change for Ice Tanks, becomes something others can take advantage of.

So what's an Ice Tank's niche again? Oh yeah, that's right its not defense, its not damage mitigation, its to sit in a freakin' ice cube and whistle dixie for hours on end. That's why Hibernate is my Happy Place, its all I've got.

Also, like I said elsewhere, the damage debuff is very likely affected by level (not con) difference, as all debuffs in game are similarly affected already, including other damage debuffs.

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Circeus,
Well for what it's worth, Jack Frost's version of Chilling Embrace doesn't have the new damage debuff. A few of us ice controllers have tested it out to make sure.

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But unless you've played an Ice Tank, please don't lecture us about how good we have it. Your time as a SR Scrapper gives you insight, but that hardly makes you an expert on Ice Tankers. I would be equally wrong to say that SR Scrappers play like a my Ice Tank does, with fewer hitpoints. I know very little about their set, so I don't go on their threads. And I don't try to take a "positive" thread, looking for creative ideas to help a set, and try to inject a need for hostile defense.

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Jack,
Please don't disregard all of the hardwork, testing, blood, sweat, tears and love that these fellas have poured into their ice tankers over the last year. They've put a lot of time and effort into learning and coping with ice's frailities and problems from levels 1-50. I think it would be a mistake to undervalue what these guys have meant to their class.

The focus of this and other ice tank threads is to foster discussion and suggest ideas for how to improve this set in a supportive and friendly environment. The end goal is have ice improved and brought more in line with other sets like invulernability, while still preserving ice's unique flavor.

We've got a good thing going here and we're always looking for more supporters for the class and our agenda, so if you'd like to positively contribute to this thread, that's just fine. I'd also encourage you to read up on what has been previously posted in this thread so that you have a clearer picture of the specific issues that are being address.

If you just want to state your outsider's perspective on the set, then consider your opinions and statements logged for the record and please move on. You can't expect to garner a lot of support from ice tanks when you pass judgement ice armor after acknowledging that you're unexperienced with the set and its issues.