Zyphoid

I don't think any one here is a hypocrite, just some are more inflamed than others over the issue. I ahve a question, ow many of you have PMed a dev or a community rep about your feelings on CoV? I know I sent a ton during the costume issues, and on Power Cust and Weapon Cust.

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I don't think I can see threads from closed beta, and I wasn't in that one. Besides, I wasn't talking about beta and you didn't reply to a post about beta, so I don't think your comment of months applies.

Plus, hundreds of pages isn't the same as months. I don't care if a thread is hundreds of pages if a dev replies the next day. O.o

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Like it or not, that is still time that players were complaining about something they did not like, I can't remember how long i9 was in closed, or open, but it really has no bearing on this thread.

The point is they will not say anything till they aer good and ready. And after what the community did to geko when he would reply I don't blame them for not responding in threads like this. Some of the people here can't be reasoned with, some can, that was a great post Hatman, and I don't disagree with anything you said. Best to avoid argueing when no matter what you say it is wrong.

Edit: Didn't mean to ignore your post hatman, I am posting between loads while playing, and we were posting at the same time. Also as I recall some of the big ones from closed were moved, but may have been purged by now.

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I can tell you that the rate of costume recipe drops went on for months before a red name chimed in.

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What? I just looked back at AmazingMOO's thread about that. He posted on 5/07/07. His title was clearly calling out to the devs, "Continued Dev Silence on Costume Drops?" He stated it had been a week since the inventions came in, Issue 9 released May 1, 07. And Positron posted the next day. The next day!

What months? You mean hours.

Oh, and the devs were called out to more than once in that thread, and they answered. Go figure.

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Yea, look back at the month + that the same threads ran in Closed beta, and got in to the hundreds of pages. May want to go look back bit further.

I can tell you that the rate of costume recipe drops went on for months before a red name chimed in. This thread started bad, and I am sure that contributes some to the Devs not stopping by. I know when I am accused in such a manner my first response is [censored] you. A title like “Why do the Devs hate CoV” does not really foster communication.

I think what he means by content they both can enjoy are things like flash back, weapon customization, inventions, new powers, and co-op zones. I do think a little more could of gone into the RWZ to make it more neutral, or have different mission text/contacts.


Part of the reason I see them as the same game is the shared world, and shared mechanics. They really are two sides of the same coin, and this is not a bad thing when done right.

If you look after i7 there was a good long time before there was anything added to the game, red or blue. Gaps like that have helped to cause hard feelings on both sides. I think if i8 (as is) had of hit as fast as i9, i10, and i11 did last year no one (no one reasonable any way) would have said a word, and I still think that is the case. I do hope the new staff will make things faster and better for both sides.

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Go for it, maybe you will get luck and the squeeky wheel will get the grease. I can tell you one thing, good arguments and clear suggestions are recived better by the community, but it is your choice. I can promise you one more thing, bitting my head off when I try to make a reasonable suggestiong acomplishes nothing.

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*sigh of annoyance*

Oh Zyphoid, you try this schtick every time this subject comes up and it always, always fails.

I am sorry that you covertly feel that people redside should all shut up and sit down until you decide otherwise. Sadly it does not work quite that way.

"Good arguments and clear suggestions" have been made by the ton, sadly they are usually ignored. Hell, we've been trying to get that ***-damn bugged technician in the LRSF fixed for what, almost two years now? He has not been fixed and I doubt he will ever be fixed. Why not? Because villain stuff is low priority.

I am sorry you dislike this REALITY, but it changes nothing. Have a nice day.

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And 10 other people can say the exact thing as me and every time it is me you respond to. Keep it up Bad and people will start to think you have a thing for me

Really I have only ever gotten into two threads about this. The first time I was having a bad week and made an [censored] of myself. This time I haven't.

No amount of [censored] is going to fix it till the devs are damn good and ready. Shoot I want the red issues fixed if for no other reason than so people will shut the [censored] up about it. Look at what I have said, I AGREE that [censored] needs to be worked on red side. I AGREE with you, I just think suggestions needs to be done in a more constructive manner. I am not a mod though, so who gives a [censored] what I think?

I know what it is like to crusade for something you want to change in the game. I fought during the costume recipe implementation, and I am still fighting for power customization. The manner in which I chose to do it is respectful to others, and I attempt to discuss and not argue. Or maybe as you like to say I am being condescending, I promise it is not intentional. But [censored] what do I know, [censored] all you want.

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The way I see it is the troll who started the thread is no longer responding in it. We all agree that the devs do not hate CoV, and we ALL agree that CoV needs a little extra love each issue. I think this point it would be best to start (or have a mod start) a consolidated thread in the suggestions form, to outline some things that will make CoV better.

Right now this thread is going back to reasonable people arguing over small things.

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The problem is... it's been needing it a while, a freaking GOOD while, and has never gotten it. Why would they bother with it now? I don't even see any improvements happening at least until I13, and that's a long way to go. Other than the different ATs, I don't see why anyone would bother with CoV as it stands now provided they have access to both games and aren't morally opposed to playing a Hero.

Hence why a ton of people are [censored]. They're trying to get attention, and while it hasn't worked before, staying silent won't, either. And, y'know what, I'll [censored] until we get confirmation that Villains will get issues (such as Grandville. Yes, the whole zone.) fixed and a heap of extra content that should have been in from the start seeing as they sold it as a supposedly complete game.

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Go for it, maybe you will get luck and the squeeky wheel will get the grease. I can tell you one thing, good arguments and clear suggestions are recived better by the community, but it is your choice. I can promise you one more thing, bitting my head off when I try to make a reasonable suggestiong acomplishes nothing.

The way I see it is the troll who started the thread is no longer responding in it. We all agree that the devs do not hate CoV, and we ALL agree that CoV needs a little extra love each issue. I think this point it would be best to start (or have a mod start) a consolidated thread in the suggestions form, to outline some things that will make CoV better.

Right now this thread is going back to reasonable people arguing over small things.

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Yes, communication good. Tired bad.

I must apologize for some of my comments to you, Munki. There really was no excuse for them.

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Sucks to be in this position, been there. Several times in the past few months my fingers have gotten ahead of my brain, and I made a coment I wouldn't normaly make. Emotions can be high because in fact we all care a ton about this game, it is a good thing.

For me , and I can speak for no one else, as long as blue side gets any new costumes, and powers I really don't care about new zones. In truth the big problem I had with i7 (and not i8) was the amount of time it took to roll anything else out. With an issue happening every 3 months I really wouldn't take issue with an issue focusing on red.

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They have access to the same content if an update should be devoted to the red half.

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This I would agree to if red ran as well on older systems as blue does. Really I think that is what they need to fix with red. I would play it a ton more if it ran better on my system. I am also with Sam, give where it is needed, as long as it dosen't neglect the other completely.

I still fail to see where any one in this thread has said give it all to blue and none to the red. I do play heroes primarily, for multiple reasons, and despite liking some of the Red ATs better. Even with that, I have said there needs to be a 60/40 or 70/30 split. I do not see the hypocrisy in this. I still say it is one game with two factions, one faction needs a bit of catch up time. I see no reason why that can’t be done, while giving the other factions stuff too.

Let me ask you (the 3 or 4 arguing this) would you be happy if it was still 50/50, but had a leaning towards red morals. Example: If the moon zone was more amoral, lets say you are helping the 5th overthrow the Council, or if Rikti contacts were added to the RWZ so you could take the opposing path. Would that work as equal content with red leanings?

Here is the problem I think some of see, and it may not be the case. It seems that some of you will not be happy unless all or most of a few issues goes to the red side, and blue gets nothing. Where as the rest of us are saying go with a slightly higher portion to the red to keep all of the players happy.

I had a real long post, then deleted it, you are right nancy, there is no convincing any one. I am all for the 60/40 or 70/30 split, but there are people who will not be happy unless there is a total focus. I have decided some people just like to [censored] about stuff. I trust the Devs, and like the direction the game has taken over the last year, I will be staying.

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Rotten Fruit pies.. and Z here's that finger.

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And how CM's change got heroes whine, now its off the table to.

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If you could read you would know that is NOT why it was pulled.

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I was wondering if it was claws or weapons.

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Pretty much. I've done lists of what I want to see shared, but most immediately I want to see Broadsword for Brutes and Tankers, and Battle Axe for Brutes and Scrappers.

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If red side gets those, there are a few villian powers I would like to see blue side, all in all I think cross over or AT sharing would be easier.

I could live w/o merging the games, but I still want cross over, or AT sharing (one in the same really). Zeb promised it, then he was gone and so was it. Statesman said he never wanted cross over, well now his [censored] is gone, I hope it comes back.

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1. Give CoV something so unique and amazing that people have to go back to the Rogue Isles to experience it (and thereby cheese off the people who want to play as heroes);

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But they'd have no right to be cheesed off.

As others so vehemently posted here, it's one game and players are wrong to limit themselves to one side.

The devs need to grow a pair and tell the people that choose to limit themselves to the blue side only that if they want to sample all the content the game has to offer then they have to play villains too.

Funny how it's okay to cheese off the villain players but not the hero players.

Something about sauce and geese comes to mind.

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I do play bothe games, and will do it even more so when I get my new PC built. I have no problem with there being unique content to each game, I just don't want either faction to suffer while the other gets.

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So has there been a suggestion about custoization of the Martial arts power? such as change the kicks to punches?

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Yes, Bab said the ideal way to do it, and avoid making a new street fighting set, would be to allow people to chose from a set of animations when choosing a power. He also said that anythign like that would be far off.

You may can dig through his post history and find the comment.

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Q/R here,

Since Lord Recluse already has a foothold in the zone does anyone think it would be possible to give red-side a slightly revamped version of Faultline?

Perhaps only allow them into the dam side first and unlock the rest piece by piece as they complete more of a story arc?

(I might of missed a few posts here and there so I apologize if this has already been sugested.)

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You mean create a whole new "instance" of Faultline that is only accessible to villains, and has a villain-specific set of contacts and story arcs?

That's not a bad idea, actually.

And they could probably do the same for Striga, Croatoa, the Shards, etc...

Of course, some will say it's yet another example of Villains only getting Heroes' "hand me downs", but if it's done right with new missions and story content, I believe the majority of villain players would be pleased.

-Ini

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Some may be happy with that, but I know there are many who wouldn't be. They want (those who would not be happy) something all their own, that is not shared in any way. I don't understand this mentality, but its there. Thos who feel that way are unwilling to be swayed no matter how good the argument is.

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For the life of me I don't see why yall are still trying to reason with that guy...

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Because then the web drama would die You guys really are at a point where it is good to agree to disagree.

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Yeah I missed the 'in real time', I think ym briain is addled today.

EG:
Sorry the win goes on. Did you not get the memo that suckage is no longer part of CoX ?

(aside from MOG) *ducks and runs*

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MoG continuing to suck is the only thing that grounds me in reality.

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You might want to avoid the Training Room in the near future, then.

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I didn't think CoX could get much cooler. I look forward to another 42 months with these Devs! Now, about that power customization...

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Thats my stand point, I thought it would have been clear from my posts throughout the day already.

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It was evident to me, but it felt like someone disagreeing with *you* was making the error, when purposefully nerfing long-standing powers solely for PvP parity is seen as an error to quite a few people.

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I will admit I see it as an error. I think it is far better to buff than to nerf.

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As it should have. Giving Blasters Unstoppable is unforgivable.

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And yet some folks want to compound one error by duplicating it villanside ?

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Yes. It's called a level playing-field.

Make PPP's available to Heroes through some series of quests.

Make EPP's available to Villains.

Call it a day.

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Thats my take on it.

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But Blasters.... Wow. Let's see, they get a quick heal, a self rez, an AOE nuke, a massive ranged attack, or (and this is my favorite) Unstoppable.

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This pissed the tanker and scrapper community off pretty bad too.

I would have just as big a problem with a blue only update. It would still screw a portion of the player base, and with an expanded dev team, and more exp under their belt, there is no reason to do it that way.

Slanting a few issues to help red side catch up is just a far better idea, and a better business plan.

Also I don't recall anyone posting that there should be blue only updates, perhaps in the flame storm that was i7, but not in a long, long time. Even at my most pissed, I only ever said 50/50. With good arguments and points my opinion changed to 60/40 or even 70/30.

Personally all I really look forward to in updates are the costumes, Powers, and Power Customization. New IOs are cool too if they are costume recipes

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Terra, would you support that additions from this point on that left the current "blue side" exactly as is while updating only red side?

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I don't know about Terra, but I'd say no. Even though I'm predominantly a red-sider.

Mostly because then psycho/irrational/emo-blue siders would pop out of the woodwork like some red-siders in this thread have.

Villain side DOES need some work. There is no denying that. But making the IDIOTIC, IRRATIONAL, BASELESS accusation that the devs hate the red side will not get anything done.

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I'll take Bill's answer on this. And yes there are plenty of angsty emo blue siders as well.

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But it is a different Emo, more of a "Why can't we all get along" /e cries, and less "I hate you all!" /e sulks. J/K please do not eat my first born. ok you can have the first born, just not the other 3.