Another_Fan

If a mastermind says that ,you just have to tell him ,"Stop standing next to the pets".

Well part of why I tried to pick the best I could from both sides, and demonstrating they were the same order of magnitude was to not get in to saying, If you add this blaster, you will be better off than adding that X. I am also not going to go through every power combination by hand. That's Castle's job, and maybe one day he will be able to figure out how to extract his data from that spreadsheet where its all stored* (HA)

The problem your argument hits is if you are adding particular builds, adding particular corruptors easily wins adding particular defenders also easily wins. /Ice defenders, and Fire,ICE corruptors do the exact same AoE damage with their rain powers that blasters do. In the case of a corruptor at the damage cap their blizzard is going to be much more than a blaster could ever hope to do because of scourge.

Re: Doing the damage at range: Range is just not an advantage here. There is always the 5% chance a debuff, mezz or ridiculously large AOE lands. A blaster doing their damage at range with the buffer/ debuffer group brings that back to them. A scrapper, brute or even a tank is doing their damage away from everyone else and they are keeping the aggro with them. Adding a controller or two just means there is no aggro to go anywhere.


Just a little humorous reflection on our discussion here.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/newre...eply&p=3234359

As I type this, there is exactly one team that had a blaster included in it, and that was for vengeance bait.

I really like my blasters, I have over 600 badges on my favorite. But I am painfully aware of where they come up short. If anything they should have their description changed from glass cannons to the "Solo challenge AT"

Cannons is just out and out misleading.


*Its a reference to a previous excuse on why the developers didn't actually balance things. Supposedly the server engine reads the data directly from a spreadsheet, that castle hasn't been able to figure out how to export from so other tools can be used to analyze it. (Didn't make any sense to me either)

Thats like me asking is the economy good, and you answering why yes because its sunny and warm today.

Have you been on all blaster TFs ?

I have done the original positron all blaster.
Synapse all blaster. And an all blaster Numina.

The Numina went well, but it was a Numina, really not very hard if you have a stealther for the envoy and the final mission. Positron and Synapse had insane death rates all three were at base difficulty. To be honest I have also done all scrapper shadow shard tfs. The death rates were also astronomical but its one thing to die when facing off against the hardest enemies in the game and another when its the biggest pushovers in the game.

If hes pot are you saying I have to go on a diet

Not every controller takes psionic mastery because for them its gilding the lily. They can already prevent just about anything from getting the chance to mez them.

Its only mockery if its insulting.

The problem is at that point you still have other choices. The scrapper is still more survivable, the brute fully buffed is ridiculously more survivable. Brutes and scrappers at their damage cap outputting damage numbers that make everyone blasters included.

Here are a few examples at the damage cap
Claws
Spin/Brute = 526 pts of damage/target
Eviscerate/Brute = 614 pts of damage/target

Footstomp/Brute = 400 pts of damage/target
KO blow/brute = 999 pts of damage single target

spin /Scrapper= 540 points of damage/target
Eviscerate/Scrapper = 715.2 damage/target

Fire Sword Circle/scrapper = 620 pts/target
Incinerate/scrapper = 860 single target

Blaster Fire
Fire Breath= 545/target
Fire Ball = 394/target
Blaze = 944.5 single target

Fire Manipulation
Fire Sword Circle =500/target

Blaster Assault Rifle
Flamethrower = 605
Buckshot = 330
slug = 610 single target

Ignite is a discussion in itself

The only thing you can say is some of the blaster attacks are bigger, some manage to hit more targets, most have range.

I really like my blasters, but I am really aware of where they get shortchanged.

Oh and before anyone says I cherry picked, I did, I tried to go for the best available on both sides.

Hanging back at the entrance, The tank was the TL and that was how he wanted things done.

I mostly speed run TFS so I was there for the badge.

The problem is they are the most likely (with exceptions) to need mez protection. In the solo case the controller/dominator can lock down an entire spawn as they engage it. The defender has many tricks to make certain they don't get hit by mezzes (their own controls such as dark's fearsome stare, Rads -to hit, etc). In the teamed case if there is a blaster that's actually doing their job any aggro that gets pulled off a tank or scranker finds it way directly to him.

I really feel the developers speak with forked tongues when it comes to balancing. You take the recent adjustments to the tanker,brute,scrapper trio. Any of which if well built can more or less say to the rest of the team "Follow me as best you can till I am at the AV then I will assemble" for 90% of taskforces vs people playing the other ATs that get to watch. Yes I have been on both sides of that, and I am not talking about stealthing. In the case of scrappers there is a fair chance they don't need anyone at the AV.

Edit and just to put this into stronger context. Before the bruise change I was on a Master of Khan run where the lead tank soloed every mission all of the final mission except the AV encounter. When I read castle was adding bruise to tanks to help them solo, I nearly spit coffee all over my monitor.

If it does the same damage it brings it to .8 blaster for defenders and corruptors at the cap. 4 vs 5

at .6 and at the cap its 2.4 vs 5 or 48% rather than 40%.

Anyway as I alluded to above, The scrapper, brute, controller, veat, dominator just about anything winds up being the better choice because they will be bringing similar damage, greater survivability, and other things the blaster doesn't. They also all wind up being more forgiving of the defenders.

In case you weren't aware you can activate domination while mezzed.

All controllers can take indomitable will if they feel they need it.

That leaves sleep ? Or are you under the impression that defiance negates confuse ?

Let me help you

Indomitable will

Is an ancillary power pool available to every controller and dominator and can be respeced into or out of.

I don't think mock means what you think it does.

I think you are being overly generous on the damage ratio.

There are at least 3 cases where defenders/Corruptors have exactly the same damage scale as blasters.

Ice storm
Blizzard
Rain of fire.

If you take a look at the mininukes
Defender Full auto/Rain of arrows are at approximately 60% blaster damage.

The same holds true for the other defender Archery AOE powers. This goes to the whole damage scale is just a guideline for the powers issue.

Thread title "Why A blaster"

You really need to read what his post actually said in particularly the assumptions used.

But anyway, Here is the simple question for you. Is there anything other than a blaster you could put in there ?

Some people are easily amused.

I'd try to help you out, but first just how much remedial education do you need ?

VS
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http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/power...domitable_Will

http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/power...persion_Bubble

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Domination#Domination

So that would make corrupters, defenders, controllers, and dominators all ATs that have built in ways of not being mezzed or getting out of mezz.

Really ?

There really is a question of just what the role descriptions should be.

Scrappers,brutes, controllers post epic, to be able tear through content solo or make major contributions to teams. Check

Defenders and to a lesser extent Corruptors. Make their team mates look good. Check

Tankers. Annoy enemies by not noticing anything they are doing to them. Check

Blasters, frustrate life insurance salesmen, provide ongoing reasons for XP smoothing and nerfing any penalty from dieing. Check.

Stalkers, make people feel just what it is like to be a lone frustrated nutcase that sneaks up on things and kills them. Check.

This is correct but doesn't go far enough. Cascade failure is actually the preferred way for a blaster to lose their defense. Much worse is for one mez attack to hit a blaster, then they have lost most of their defense, most of their damage output, and any ability to regain hitpoints at a significant rate.

LOL, you should go through the list of things that forum goers have either had a wrong consensus on or have had sizable minorities that were just wrong.

Well tanks don't need double stacked rage.

The answer for brutes is 8-12 small red/minute depending on the build but really that isn't answering the right question. The correct question is how much can a brute kill continuously when its at the damage cap.

Why is Grey wearing off white ?

The condiment smeared madman sounds like a good name for a new brute.

Tankers have relatively little trouble hitting their cap without kins. Some combinations can manage it without inspirations. Solo Brutes can run around at their cap.

Getting away from the damage aspect, resistance is easily reached, movement easier. -Resistance generally takes more than one debuffer, same for -damage. There is also the matter of control where locked down spawns make for smooth runs.