Wulfman

Sorry to hear that, Garent. If we have a successful turnout for this one, our guild will likely sponsor more in the future, so stay tuned.

The Dom should work just fine.

Actually, no, that won't work. The Abyss is one of the few zones that still has a level restriction, and you have to be at least 45 to get in. Still, you've got the rest of January to get those levels, so it doesn't rule you out.

Kane, sorry your work schedule won't allow you to participate. That domi would be a welcome addition, and really shouldn't die repeatedly with our strat as long as everyone is doing his or her job. If things go as I expect and we have a reasonable spawn time, we should be finishing around 11 or shortly thereafter. Still, if you get off earlier that night, or get home sooner, it won't hurt to check.

This is going to be redside, Desitre. Have anything on that side you'd like to bring?

It varies from raid to raid, based on how many folks are on each team and what the breakdown on those teams are in terms of ATs and powersets. Beyond that, there are times when the greens heal the blues (common) or yellows (less common) more than each other, leading to the greens going down more quickly than other mito types. My guess is that if the greens were going slower last night, the blues and yellows were dropping pretty rapidly.

Glad things went well, and I'm hoping to be recuperated and ready to raid next week!

Well, I took a fall this afternoon. And, although I was able to get up, I banged my knee and twisted my back rather badly. As such, I'm not sure I'm going to be able to sit up at the desk to raid this evening.

However, there will be folks from my guild there to lead, so the raid is still on, assuming there is enough interest with the Winter Event going on. If I can get enough relief with the pain meds, I'll try to make it. Otherwise, I'll see you all for my last raid of 2009 next week.

Thank you. Glad you were able to come out and participate, and we'll be running them again in the future. We'll post here when the time comes.

Pyber,

Just in case we don't get a chance to chat in-game, here's the excerpt from my strat about the team breakdowns. Your list is correct, of course, and hopefully this will give you a little more detail about the team set-ups. If you have further questions, drop me a line here or see if you can find me in-game between now and then.

Good luck!

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Wulf's Public Villain Raid Strategy (excerpt)

There are a minimum of 5 teams used in this strategy: a Hami Aggro Team, a Yellow Mito Aggro Team, a Yellow Mito Kill Team, a Blue Mito Kill Team, and a Green Mito Kill Team. The following is a list of who should, ideally, be on each team. Given the nature of public raiding, however, we live with the reality that we will frequently not have the best combination of toons present. So these teams will, by necessity, be modified for each raid to accommodate the people present.

Hamidon/Yellow Mito Aggro Team: 3 Brutes (w/taunt), 3 Pain Domination Masterminds or Corruptors, and 1 Kinetic is ideal. It is possible to work with 2 Pain Domination toons and no Kinetic, but at that point I strongly suggest having an additional Brute on the team to take over when and if the Brute who is taunting the Hamidon goes down. It is also possible to use /thermal corruptors or /poison MMs as support toons for the two brutes taunting the yellows, since they have both a single target heal and a mez protection power. In this event, however, I strongly suggest having an additional support toon (preferably a /pain domination corruptor or MM) on the team, as the Hami-taunting brute gets very significant –regen and –heal on a regular basis.

Yellow Mito Aggro Team: 4 Brutes (w/taunt), 2 Pain Domination Masterminds or Corruptors, and 1 Kinetic. Again, it is possible to operate without the kinetic on this team. It’s very handy if at least one of the pain domination toons has recall friend and Conduit of Pain. Again, it is possible to use /thermal corruptors or /poison MMs as support toons for the four brutes taunting the yellows, but again I strongly suggest having an additional support toon (preferably a /pain domination corruptor or MM) on the team as a safety measure.

Yellow Mito Kill Team: 6-7 Melee Damagers (Brutes, Stalkers, Soldiers of Arachnos, or Night Widows), 1 Pain Domination, Thermal, or Sonic. It will also work if you have two support toons on this team, and if at least one of them has recall friend and a rez of some kind. Group Fly is a great help on this team. In the event no one on the team has group fly, the flight packs that can be purchased in Grandville are of great help.

Blue Mito Kill Team: 6-7 Ranged Damagers (Corruptors and Masterminds with FF, Storm, or Traps as their secondary powerset), 1 Pain Domination, Thermal, or Sonic. In this case, one of the corrupters may be a Pain Domination, Thermal, or Sonic, but you would want to make sure that they knew their primary job was mez protection and not damage. Again, two support toons are better. Note that, depending on your team make-up at any given raid, this team may not need an individual using single target mez protection. With two Dark corruptors using Shadow Fall, and two or more Force Field or Traps on the team, the AoE mez protection should be sufficient as long as the team stays together. Therefore, Group Fly is a valuable power to have on this team. Again, flight packs will work if Group Fly is not available on the team.

Green Mito Kill Team: 6-7 Holder/Damagers (Dominators, Fortunatas, and Masterminds with Poison, Dark Miasma, or Trick Arrow as their secondary powerset), 1 Pain Domination, Thermal, or Sonic. Ideally, this team’s mez protection would come from the secondary powers of the holders themselves, allowing you to have an additional holder/damage dealer on this team. Again, it will be important in that case to insure those with mez protection responsibilities are clear on their duties. It is useful to have two of these teams working together, if possible, and targeting through the same person. This Team, also, benefits greatly from having Group Fly, although, again, flight packs will be sufficient.

It is rare to have a full 50 people (zone limit) in the zone and active at any given time. Typically, when the zone reaches its capacity, there are a handful of people who are disconnecting and trying to come back in, along with a handful at the entrance of the zone trying to load in. As such, 6 teams will usually be as many as you need. Once the original Yellow, Blue, and Green Mito Kill Teams are full, extra people should gather on a sixth team to help supply holds and damage against the Green Mitos, as mentioned above. After that, the Aggro Teams can pick up one additional straggler each, meaning that up to 48 people can be on teams.

Depends on which strategy you use. The one that is popular on a lot of servers uses the MM pets in a constant stream to hold hami's aggro.

The one that I am developing as a modification from the blueside strategy actually uses brutes in place of the tankers and places MMs on other mito teams based on their secondary abilities. A /dark MM, for example, would go on the green mito team because they have at least one single target hold, have an excellent team heal that also does -regen to the mito, a debuff, an AoE aura that helps protect against the fear effects of the blue mitos, and a pet that also holds and heals.

Either way, though, the toon can be quite useful.

It is at least as bad as an RWZ, so make appropriate setting changes.

This seems to be because the regularly scheduled one has been on Wednesday since before I started leading them. Adding another night is not a problem, but needs to be advertised to be successful.

If those are the people you are trusting to get your "elitist" impression, then you ARE seeing the wrong people. Whether or not I am in attendance has never been the benchmark of whether or not a successful Hami raid can be run. And I have never even suggested that I or my guild are the only ones who can lead these...we're just the only ones who seem to do so on a regular basis.

If consistent success = elitist, then I and my guild are guilty as charged, and I challenge anyone else who would be equally successful to step up to the plate and lead. Otherwise, the regular raids continue on Wednesday nights for anyone who wants to show up and take down the jell-o.

As do I, and I'll help in any way I can. I'm still tweaking the wording of my villain strat. As soon as I get the kinks worked out, Pyber, I'll post it and send it to you in a PM as well.

I'm not quite sure how that makes the raid elitist. I offered to tweak the strategy a little over a year ago to make it more efficient and volunteered to lead them whenever I could. And I've been happy to do exactly that.

But I've also asked repeatedly for folks to volunteer to lead when I can't be there, or even to give me a break from time to time and let me just participate. I've had a couple of folks approach me and attempt to lead it, and have given the macros I use to them if they wanted them. But the folks who showed up for those raids didn't always listen to them for some reason.

I wasn't there during those times, so I'm not sure why that would be. Perhaps it was just that it was a departure from the norm that had people spooked. Maybe some folks showed up that don't normally, and thought they knew what they were doing better than the person trying to lead. Maybe the person leading didn't coordinate the team leaders or get things going soon enough.

As I said, I don't know the reason, since I wasn't there. But I doubt it had anything to do with whether or not I "sanctioned" the person to lead. On the occasions I knew an attempt was going to be made in my absence, I mentioned it on these forums so the folks who showed up would know a raid was still going on and who to listen to. If those who showed up didn't do so, that's not on me or my lack of "sanction" for the person who was attempting to lead the raid...particularly since there's no such thing as a "sanction" to lead a hami raid from me or anyone else.

In any case, there's nothing elitist or intended to be elitist about the public raids. I invite everyone to come out and participate, and would be glad for someone else to step up and volunteer to lead them occasionally, whether I'm there or not. If your friend is serious about leading one sometime, have him contact me. He can take or leave my macros (since I use them to save myself from typing the same thing every week), as long as he has the process down so that it is successful. After all, failure will cause people to stop following faster than anything else.

But let's refrain from casting a negative image on the public raids just because someone hasn't had a chance--or taken advantage of an opportunity--to lead one successfully. That doesn't help anything.

We actually have one of these blue-side every Wednesday night at 9:30 eastern. You should come out and try it.

As for a villain-side raid on Guardian, Pyber, our guild won't be able to help directly as we have our villains on another server. As I mentioned in the other Hami thread, however, I have developed a strategy for a public raid over there that I'll be posting in the Pinnacle server area at some point in the near future. I had planned to already have it posted, but RL conspired to slow that plan. The strat is designed to be a villain version of the strat we use at our blue side raids, and is a little different than many of the red-side strats I've seen in the way it uses different ATs. Feel free to check it out when I post it, or contact me about it.