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Sorry not at all. The best you could say is that the claim there was a doubling in demand as presented is unsupported.

Edit: If you look above the person saying, "No No No way" is doing exactly the same thing.

Not to pick on you but that logic is horrifically bad. You have ruled out every possible way that things could happen, then gone from insufficient data to an unsupported conclusion. We really have no idea what percentage of builds were using what at I13 and how much has gone to 2nd builds. The people that do know, saw fit to take the trouble to give us a 3rd build, make of that what you will.

We also have no idea how rapidly people are adopting second builds, or what the percentage of people that do adopt contributed to market demand in the first place.

Saying it didn't happen because there was no sudden spike, is just out there. What even makes you think there should have been a spike ?


Now to take a look at what happened with i13.

1. Dual builds
2. Merits introduced.
3. PvP revamped.
4. Task force timer put in place.
5. New invention sets
6. Level locking

If you want to attribute the change or lack of change in the market to a change you need to account for everything else that was happening.

It would also help if you talked about demand as a function of price and time not as if it were constant for price at any given time.

This. The TF really plays up the gap between squishy and non squishy archetypes.

My point exactly for both.

The original is probably not right. The problem is flat out denying it isn't correct either.

I'm sure he is cheered knowing he has brought a bright spot to my day

Its stuff like this why I stick around.

$15.00/mo sub
$ 5.00/mo for maalox need from seeing insanity in game changes and idiocy on the boards

Nethergoat accusing people of spouting drivel, PRICELESS

I wonder how people are going to react if or when desirable purples become off market items, and the only way to get them is by trading like items for them ?

Old Americanism: If the shoe fits kick yourself with it, or in this case your groupthink is showing.

Well I agree with you about "temporal arbitrage", there can't in principle be arbitrage as long as there is only one market you can trade on. It is just a case of a dialect (CoH speak) borrowing words. The problem for the people using "temporal arbitrage" is that there is no need for a new word, "Speculation" is a very precise term for the process of buying anything with an eye to profiting from expected changes in price.

The problem for the people reacting badly to the words, is "Speculation", like "Hyperinflation", carries negative connotations. Now if you are more engaged in spin control than analysis that is a problem. Hence "Temporal Arbitrage" replaces "Speculation", and "Large inflation" replace "Hyper inflation". If "Hyper inflation" were replaced with "Run Away Inflation", I have no doubt there would be a moment of headscratching while the implications were worked out and then the same people would wrack their brains on how to spin that.

Given that this entire thread has been about people trying to redefine the term so it doesn't apply, that would be exceptionally sensible.

We could have another thread on why the word sends some people into a tizzy, but that would be another thread.

Alignment merits may wind up displacing inf. If you use your alignment merits to make direct purchases, you have that much more inf to spend on other parts of your build.

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When I post to this forum I often think I am addressing a conclave of creationists or a gathering at an asylum.

If that isn't an attempt to play the hypocrisy card, I'd like to see what is. Its also horrifically bad reasoning. All I have given you with that statement is my current asset levels. You are looking at one data point and drawing a line that suits you through it.


You are assuming your conclusion.

This is at best a mischaracterization. Depending on attack chains being used and nature of the powersets increased recharge can have anything from a linear benefit to an exponential benefit. I can't begin to estimate the benefit from being able to set hasten to auto and ignore it. Aim, build up, mindlink, domination, fulcrum shift, sleet, benumb, accelerate metabolism, all powers that benefit insanely from extra recharge and do change the way you play.

There are these little things called inspirations. It doesn't take much in the way of lucks to softcap especially if you have something to start with. Depending on how you play and what your are playing increased defense is more often than not superfluous.

Just as a data point, I have a blaster with 168% global recharge and little or no defense, that does perfectly well and really wouldn't see much benefit from having more defense.

I agree with purples not always being the best choice. That is another matter again, and worthy of its own thread.

In other words we have a new currency that devalues the inf ?

Spines/Fire, Spines/Dark ?

Edit: I drop farm, my focus has never been raw inf.

As opposed to making moral statements about investment strategy ?



If you don't work on what is measurable definitions and real data you wind up with dueling anecdotes, and fools making appeals to the majority.


Person A: Is it raining
Person B: Only by dubious definitions of rain



I would love to know how you define good faith ? Is it like hyperinflation, something you can only tell is there by ancillary effects ?

What to make of this ? When followed by this ?

Every bonus in the game has limited value beyond "A certain point" DEF is the best example of a bonus that has very limited value beyond a certain point.

LOTG+ 7.5 (lvl 25) 195 mil last five as I write this.
(level 50) Avg 155 mil

Lower value, this another one those terms that has an interesting definition for you ?

Oh so are you Rockefeller Rich (est peak net worth = 3% us gdp) or meerly Bill Gates rich (est peak net worth = .3% us gdp)

Or maybe you are just upper middle class and bought yourself a nice house and have a decent car ?

I don't think its so much hate as fer and I doubt its inspired by the means. If you had a legion of people volunteering to do this by hand, people would suddenly discover why that kind of cooperative action was against the spirit of the game as well.

We really need better information about how people spend their money in the game before taking that tack.

I have characters that I built that will never get a great build. They were made solely to provide fill ins for taskforces. Their job is to provide support functions, defense, resistance, -resistance and vengeance when needed. These don't require anything more than SOs and for me aren't great fun to play so they will never get better than SOs or commons left over from crafting.

These characters outnumber my top end characters by a good number likely 3 to 1. But, I can outfit one of them for less than 6 million or considerably less if I am going for extra storage or salvage slots when they are getting slotted out.

The bulk of my money and spending winds up concentrated in the characters I care enough about to properly outfit. 6 billion =1000* 6million. SOs can remain constant but if even one very good character is expected for players in the game the cost (of SOs) is little more than rounding error.

Absolutely

If you go over to this thread

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=250051

You have people pumping out 3 million inf/min.

That is really affecting the inf/stuff ratio, toss in the temp recipes cluttering up the place. Inf is definitely easier to get relative to items.

You missed this

Person A: Is it raining ?
Person B: What is the meaning of rain ? Rain is bad we have nothing bad happening there is no rain.


Puzzling out what this meant, I can only take away you are upset at my pointing out you were distracting from the question.

This morning I ran a synapse, everyone of the characters except mine* had either high end set bonuses still persisting through exempling, and or had purple sets slotted.

I don't know how many care about bleeding edge builds, but I would be willing to bet the vast majority want a good build for their toons.



Sure its appropriate, if you wish to attack me instead of my argument. It does put you solidly in with the people that felt it was appropriate to bring in my dead mother to the argument, and imply that I was a moral leper for seeing market problems and not doing anything about them.

IF you are going to bring that up, you could mention that

1. I have 200 billion + in IOs
2. There are limits to how much you can store
3. There are limits to how fast you can buy goods that will appreciate without driving up the price thus defeating the purpose of using them as a hedge against inflation.

Matter of fact I welcome it because it does little but highlight how weak your position is.

If I have a build that benefits from high recharge, most blaster builds , dom builds controller builds etc, the bulk of my benefit per slot is going to come from lotg +7.5s, purples and hastens.

So just where is the 80 and where is the 20 ?

And that would include things like trading between servers, setting up a red blue currency exchange or providing a secure way to have transactions that bypass the inf cap as other things you would be against by the same logic ?

Person A: Is it raining
Person B: What is rain ? Whatever rain is its not a problem, stop trolling about the rain.


http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl...?s=glossolalia

Thank you for correcting my typo

There is the revised post

LOL, Ouija board ?

If to use your numbers we have 5 billion generated per player are purples yachts, or just nice three bedroom houses in a well kept suburb ?