Angry_Citizen
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Quote:No kidding. This is way beyond "unorthodox" and straight into "looney bin". They probably thought you were a random fan who wanted to see what the "asking price" was, and dismissed you accordingly. And that's assuming you reached anyone who was even in the same department as the one you needed, and not just a GM whose job is to type /stuck.Originally Posted by Brillig
You tried to inquire about the purchase of the game through an in-game ticket?
And because you didn't get anywhere, you concluded that there was no way to proceed?
Honestly, stuff like this is why none of you gets taken seriously, you're so completely lacking in even the most basic business acumen. -
Quote:Clearly I can't wake up those like you who are too busy with their head in the clouds to understand the reality of the situation. CoH is dying. Plan Z is going to fail. You will never play your characters again. It sucks. Move on and deal with it.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
The problem is. You're NOT bringing "reality" to the situation.
You're just being an ******.
End of story.
It's kinda funny, but most of the arguments I see coming from folks like you can be boiled down to a series of asterisks. Really shows the quality of your arguments, and their origins. Pure, raw emotion straight from the "anger" side of the five stages of grief. -
Quote:Internet: Srs bsns.Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Oh, and for the record, I'm not a part of either Plan Z or the Titan Network. I just don't see why you *** hats feel the need to heckle people who are actually trying to make things happen just because you've given up.
If you don't want to support them, then don't. But there is absolutely no point in your antagonizing their efforts when you're sitting there with your thumb up your butt and doing absolutely nothing constructive.
There are less than three weeks left before the server shutdown. Go play the game. Make some memories with your friends. Say your good byes to the world of City of Heroes.
But if you're just here to make sure those last weeks are painful for everyone else because that's fun for you, then you need to realize two things:
1) You are a terrible human being. I'm starting to sound like a broken record here, but go **** yourself. And just to spice things up, go eat a bag of dicks, too. If someone wants to be hopeful, let them; they'll eventually deflate themselves, and it takes less effort on your part to ignore them than to rub salt in it their wounds, AND you get the benefit of not looking like a complete piece of **** at the end.
2) Don't expect anyone to respect you or your opinions. There is a difference between not respecting someone and disrespecting someone. If you're disrespecting someone for no reason, then don't turn into a ***** and say **** like, "Calling someone a troll is in itself trolling." You started it, you ******* diaper baby. -
Quote:By all means, prove me wrong. But since you don't have a financial backer, and consequently your income stream will be precisely nil until the game is completed, you have a catch-22. You can't make a game without money, and you can't get money without a game. Good luck overcoming even that. Sincerely. If it's as professional as you claim, then there won't be too many times that I'll be more glad to be proven wrong. But given the number of people who have claimed to have "investors" ready to purchase CoH from NCSoft, or some other silly claim that turned out to be a rumor, you'll forgive the skepticism.Originally Posted by AvelWorldCreator
I AM a programmer. Been so for over 30+ years. I've also had a connection in some capacity to either the gaming or entertainment industries for nearly as long.
I'm also the IT lead/COO for a startup game software company. In fact I was one of the company reps that tried to talk to NCSoft about buying out the City of Heroes game.
We are also one of the corporate sponsors and contributors for this Plan Z project, and I'm sure there will be others.
We have already assembled a pool of professional programming, art, voice, sound, etc. talent with extensive histories in the game software industry.
Several of the contributors to this forum thread have launched attacks on the members of this project or the project itself. None of these people have credentials that I've seen in the gaming industry. None of these people have made claims supported by objective evidence - generally what has been asserted as argument has been entirely ad hominem. As a consequence, by definition, all such assertions have been merely accusatory and not sustainable criticisms. The net result is to make these individuals appear to be trollish even if "being a troll" is not their intent. Unfortunately this site lacks any real moderation at this time and it is doubtful that there will be any before this web site ceases to operate in less than a month.
I will say that the contributors from the Plan Z project haven't been completely stellar in their postings here either - and for the same reasons I mentioned earlier.
To post claims without objective argument or evidence is a failure in accountability and simply means the poster is not operating in a rational manner. In shore they make themselves appear to be fools and idiots; a condition I doubt actually exists. To avoid this cease making accusations or replying to the same. -
Quote:It may make me seem like an asss to run around crushing people's hopes and dreams, but frankly it's necessary. I've always tried to bring reality to situations like this whenever possible. Plan Z isn't happening. End of story.Originally Posted by JayboH
Ok, I think Plan Z isn't going anywhere, but I think you are just having fun now.
But whether the Lackey chick gets more book sales or not, I don't care. I'm also a writer. I understand why she would be doing what she's doing, if that's what she's doing. It's devious, but it's understandable. Whether that's why she's doing it or not, I dunno. But it would make total sense. I mean.. "star power" is someone like Bruce Willis or Barack Obama playing CoH in their free time. Mercedes Lackey, not so much. I suspect she'll benefit more from her actions than SaveCoH will. -
Quote:You said Korean culture degrades our community. You are a racist and a sad, pitiful excuse for a human being. Don't you start walking back your comments now, Mr. Romney. Own your statements.Originally Posted by Terwyn
I apologize for misstating my perspective on this.
It is my perception that NCSoft has failed to account for the differences in functional culture between Korea and North America.
Or in other words, NCSoft has badly misidentified its Western market.
I was not intending my comment to be applied to the entirety of Korean culture, and as such have edited the post accordingly. -
Quote:Mon dieu, you're a riot. You just insulted a culture with millions of people. If I were you, I'd fire myself right now. "Marketing". Lol. You're a joke, even when compared to the Plan Z nuts.Originally Posted by Terwyn
And what of the fact that your culture apparently degrades our community?
As an aside, Korean culture is actually quite beautiful, what little I've seen of it. You degrade only yourself by insulting it. -
Quote:^ and this person is in charge of.. ahem.. "marketing". El oh el.Originally Posted by Terwyn
*snerk*
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Evidently, you are not familiar with non-zero sum game theory. Binary outcomes, or zero-sum, allow for winning or not winning (IE, losing). Non-zero sum games are much more complex, and are much more frequently involved in the design process. -
Quote:Hey, if a hundred more people read my books because I galloped around on a white horse trying to use my "fame" - such as it is - to "save CoH", that'd be time well spent. I bet I could at least get a few Subway sandwiches out of it.
I think you missed my point. The implication was that Mercedes Lackey was trying to cash in on the CoH campaign in an effort to sell books. Considering the size of the community, that just doesn't make sense. It might for a noob author trying to get established, but that is not Mercedes. -
Quote:I did, yes, particularly when I tried to get stalkers fixed in I...12 I believe. Y'know what? The folks were right. *shrug*Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
You must get that a lot then - not just on the internet but in real life.
You have my sympathies. -
Quote:In fairness to myself, I'll be long gone before I can get a chance to gloat. And when Plan Z fails, and fail it will most spectacularly, no one will be around to gloat at.
More of Angry Citizen's non-logic.
"People should not try to accomplish anything that seems impossible, because if they fail, I will be there to make fun of them and will try to ensure that the emotional impact of the failure cuts deeply." -
Quote:Fire yourself, mate. You suck at marketing. This nonsensical statement alone is proof of that.
We don't expect to succeed, but we certainly don't view failure as a possibility
"We won't win, but we sure as hell won't lose!" Either a game gets built or it doesn't. Design is a binary thing. It works or it doesn't. There is no "sorta". -
Quote:I'm sure they are. They're human. If I had an idea and wanted to work on a project, but everyone told me it was a stupid idea and I was wasting my time, I'd have second thoughts on it.Originally Posted by BlueBattler
And I'm sure they are TERRIBLY wounded by your lack of faith in them.
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Quote:You're right, I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's a complete waste of time, and it always was, because it's not just hard, it's flat out impossible. I mean, I'm in engineering, specifically aerospace. We do "impossible" things all the time. But there's a difference between "impossible" in the sense of building a hypersonic aircraft, and flat out f'ing impossible in the sense of a few amateur codewriters building a brand new game from the ground up in their spare time, with no dedicated facilities, across an entire country (and who knows, maybe some of them are across an entire ocean too). That'd be more like "violate conservation of energy" levels of impossible.Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
Pfft. You're deluded by your own sense of self-righteousness. People being pie-in-the-sky-idiots, as you say, does not justify you being a complete donkey orifice. The best you could do would be to say, "Do you realize how hard it is... that thing you're trying to do?" But you're not doing that. You're not logical. You're not doing anything benevolent, or impeding attempts at progress for the sake of saving anyone from wasting their time. You're just being a bully. You simply use logic as a crutch to excuse your desire to do harm.
Enough inspirational BS about how you just gotta try, and then watch as things fall into place. They won't. I'd take a note from Romney's book and make a ten thousand dollar wager against it. Like I said, the best we can hope for from these yahoos is a java game. -
Quote:That's exactly what it is. A great metaphor, actually: something utterly impossible to build that could only work in fiction, believed in by total twits whose worldview is completely divorced from reality.Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
It's like Noah building an Ark while the townspeople stand around and spend all their time heckling.
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Quote:Trying and failing, because then I can mercilessly mock them for being pie-in-the-sky idiots. Again, Plan Z doesn't have a chance. Not even an infinitesimal one. The best they could create is a 2-D java CoH.Originally Posted by BlueBattler
I doubt that even the Plan Z folks expect to make a game that's going to attract the same size audience that COX had ... or that they'll have a game with the same level of complexity or lore that COH had right off the bat.
On the other hand, what do they have to lose? The worst that happens is they fail ... what's worse? Trying and failing-- or doing nothing? -
Quote:Grow up. This has nothing to do with beating down innocent and idealistic people trying to "do good". This has to do with mocking people for being pie-in-the-sky idiots. There is a distinct difference, and that difference is known as "reality".Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter
It's amazing how much some people in this thread who stand under the glorious banner of logic, seem to have nothing better to do than ridicule others who are trying to do something good.
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Quote:And it took eight years to get the game to where it's at now. When it was released, CoH was a shadow of its current glory in nearly every respect.Originally Posted by JayboH
18 months isn't even a worthy of a joke - it took several years to get CoH to an alpha state with a fully funded full time studio working in the same building.
Plan Z? More like Plan ZZZ. It reminds me of all the times I said I'd use my summer break to read up on all the classes I'll be taking in fall. Yeah, didn't really happen. -
Quote:It would make sense, actually. I had never heard of this Lackey chick before everyone said "omg! Mercedes Lackey wants CoH saved!" But now I'm aware of her existence. And I'm sure a lot of goodwill will be going towards her after CoH dies, and that may just translate to higher book sales. It's a good marketing scheme, if true.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Going to assume you mean Mercedes Lackey.
If this assumption is correct, look again bub.
Other than making ONE mention that her last book made best seller over on the Titan forums, she has NOT been hawking her product and was doing her best to put her own name and credibility on the line to support the movement to save CoH.
You may not like her work. That's cool.
But out and out accusing someone of trying to profiteer off using CoH's closure as advertisement is just outrageous. -
Quote:Plan Z will not work. You won't get even a tithe of the membership necessary to have a successful MMO. Might work as a solo game, sure, but that pretty much destroys the point of CoH.Originally Posted by DarkBlaster_NA
Hm. Awfully negative responses.
I could see Plan Z working if the stars align, and they get funding.
In the meantime, For a online game to kind of "Fill the gap", Should i do TSW or SWTOR? -
I gave up long ago. It's dead, Jim. I will not play an emulator, and NCSoft isn't selling. Best bet you can hope for is that they'll revisit the IP in the coming years and create a CoH 2. That may be why they're holding onto the IP - because they have a long term plan in mind for CoH 2. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they announced it on December 1st. But I'd be equally unsurprised if they just want it to go away forever.
*shrug* I guess it's easier for me. I missed three years of the game, and coming back to it was difficult. Fun and exciting, but difficult - like hooking up with an old girlfriend from ten years back.
The only thing that's going to bug me in years to come is getting that feeling of deja vu and realizing it was from CoH.
Or when I've contracted alzheimers, regress back to my youth, and scream out "SB please" to the bemusement of the nursing home staff. -
Quote:Right. Silly person, facts are for kids!Originally Posted by Cherokee
This whole thread all but the OP is like trying to pick things out in an over crowded bowling ally. Just a bunch of damned noise. Like anyone gives a ratsass about what you are saying. Like I said before. Your votes DO NOT count. They put in who they can best control...Uggg I am wasting my fingers on this...Go at it blind ones.
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Quote:Top rate under Kennedy was north of 70%. Today it's exactly half that. Grow up.
That being said, he also cut income taxes and the corporate tax across the board. For all the lines he overstepped, he was still a capitalist who believed in markets.
Yeah, who needs Medicare and Medicaid. Grow up.Quote:It was pretty much all downhill from there. Lyndon Johnson was a train wreck
Really? ... Really? Grow. Up.Quote:Next up is Jimmy Carter, the worst president in US history
Says that Democrats can work with people on the other side of the aisle, whereas Republicans just scream and moan. Obama won in 2008 by a margin that was easily as significant as Reagan's, because people like you are intransigent and wouldn't vote for a Democrat if the Republican was freaking Cthulhu.Quote:I'm pretty sure losing to Ronald Reagan in the worst clobbering in US history says enough.
Not me, btw. If this election were between Obama and Chris Christie, I'd be seriously tempted to vote for Chris Christie.
'Quote:But to be fair, Clinton wasn't really that bad. He cut taxes, cut spending and balanced the budget. Republicans kept him in check on his failed attempt at socializing health care. Honestly, I like Bill Clinton, although there are some things I don't like about him. I consider him to be a good president.
Well yippiekaya, you like the most conservative Democrat in modern history, who managed to annihilate the American economy by repealing Glass-Steagal, signing NAFTA, and gutting welfare.
Grow up.Quote:We all know that George Bush Jr. was fiscally retarded, but he was still probably the best leader our country had since Reagan.
Obama inherited a trillion dollar deficit. Two years from now, it will be about a 600 billion dollar deficit. And that's assuming he doesn't tax the rich.Quote:doubling Bush Jr's deficit
The debt ceiling is always being raised. The only reason it was an issue here is because the Tea Party doesn't seem to comprehend math, economics, or reality.Quote:It's no wonder our currency rating got downgraded for the first time in history. We almost went into default and had to raise the debt ceiling because of this complete lack of fiscal restraint.
Most administrations can claim this.Quote:more public debt than every other administration combined.
Obama doesn't want the Bush tax cuts to expire. He wants them to expire for your precious "job creators", AKA the super filthy rich. Income inequality is at its highest level since the Great Depression. The reason for that? Reagan's tax cuts, then Bush's tax cuts. We need to raise them back to the Kennedy era at least. 70% top tax rate on the wealthy. Get them paying their fair share, then maybe we can see some decent deficit reduction (yes, I'm aware that alone won't eliminate the deficit, but it's a step in the right direction).Quote:And don't forget what things will look like if Obama is reelected. First of all, I invite everyone to look at this to see how much your taxes will increase by if the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire: -
Quote:You're trolling, right? No one capable of operating the internet can seriously be this ill-informed.Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Please tell me more about how Mitt Romney is detached and yet Obama believes in a fixed pie myth. Then feel free to explain why you think an effective cap on earnings is any different from taxing job creators out of the country. Finally, please tell me how our economy will be sustainable as entitled idealists use social rhetoric to morph us into a welfare state during record high deficits.
Spoiler alert: Keynesian economics is irresponsible and destructive and Ronald Reagan is probably rolling over in his grave right now. I guess he won the Cold War and created the most economic growth in recent history (by decreasing regulations, cutting taxes and shrinking the government I might add) so that people like you could hand the reigns of our country over to the very socialist fallacies Reagan and the rest of our nation fought against and triumphed over.
But it's alright, I get you. Some guy from Star Trek or something made a funny zombie joke on Youtube. Better vote Democrat. -
Looking forward to it. I liked Epis I-III - not so much I and II, but III is easily my favorite of the entire franchise. I hope they bring back Luke and Leia without recasting, even if they're only in supporting roles.