Amygdala

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I liked him as Patrick Bateman.

Apparently they have mag 30 stun protection vs 50 for hold protection, and 50% stun resistance.

Since Horus mentioned the idea to me, I've tried to revisit some old guides to see if there was any mention of using other mez powers. They all pretty much say "must be held to deactivate resistance and regen".

But like you say, this might be a product of what is most available to spam rather than what actually could work. Stuns should also deactivate running toggle powers, so you'd think they would be viable.

I know we're leaning away from nukes, but just to be clear, are we also excluding all temp powers as well? I've never looked into using the craftable temp powers, but found this one Resuscitator that could be used as an ally rez power so that people wouldn't have to look into respecing into the Medicine Pool. But if we're doing it with Tank powers and nothing else, we might want to decide on that so we can tailor our suggestions according to the stated parameters.

So far, I think we have a good number of ideas in here, and an idea of the likely obstacles. What we go with will likely depend on what kind of Tanks we know are available. There's not much point in building a strat around, say Dark Tanks (arbitrary example), if there won't be any in attendance. It's much easier to respec or make a second build for an existing Tank than it is to level one from scratch. So perhaps starting a Tank sign up would be helpful so we can get a feel for what everyone actually has and whether or not they'd be willing to make a second build or respec their Tank for the sake of the raid. Maybe some more inspiration will come from seeing what's out there.

ALL TANKER HAMIDON: PRIMARY/SECONDARY - COMMENTS - WILLING TO CHANGE BUILD (YES/NO) - GLOBAL NAME

1. WP/Stone - Capped HP, has previously solo taunted Hami - Yes - @Amygdala
2. Invuln/Ice - None - Yes - @Amygdala

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I know a couple guys that do very well on Rad/Psi Defenders.

I'd also do research in the PvP forums, since most of the information you'll be looking for is there.

Good luck.

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That's really what we should do. Get 50 Ice Tanks, and drop Hiberbombs into Hami. Not to defeat him, of course, but purely for the 'awesome' factor.

These numbers look promising, though the recharge on Electrolytic Beam/Blast is listed at 3.5 seconds. I'm assuming Hami has nothing better to do than fire his attacks once they're recharged. However, if it is longer than 3.5 seconds, that's very good news for us.

I'm pretty confident that a small number of Tanks could take care of this, but like you say, things don't always go perfectly, especially in raid situations. Sticking in an extra Tank as a buffer is a good call.

The other thing that we might want to give more thought towards is actually entering the jello. If we could all magically appear at once, everyone to their exact position so that the system we designed was instantaneous, things would go very well indeed. However, we're going to have to move in there somehow, and during that time I think will be the most deaths and the Hami taunt team will have to rotate the fastest. For example, in a normal raid situation, RAs and ABs on the Hami taunter allow them to run in and not get sapped completely by the blues. Without any buffs and all that end drain on one target, it would be easy for important toggles to get shut down (i.e. KB protection). Once we're in and stable, it should be less of a problem. On that note, raiders should probably look into accolades like Geas of the Kind Ones, and remember to turn off all Resistance/Defense based toggles that aren't effective against Hami. Doing this will be a lot more critical due to lack of Emps.

I'm thinking our best bet would be to send in several Tankers at a time so that the blasts/debuffs are diffused. At a normal raid, we only gather on Safe Rock for buffs. That's literally the only benefit to doing that, because the downside is that some Tankers have to run across the bowl to get to their target. Referring back to my bird's eye screen shot of Hami, what we might want to do is set up teams stationed around the jello so we can converge on Hami and hopefully disperse some of the damage as we're getting into position.

Anyways, whatever strat we decide on, food for thought.

We'll lead them into the hot gates. Their numbers will count for nothing.

Note: This will only work with Shield Tankers.

Electrolytic Blast has a 25 foot radius.

Yeah, the Resistance shields have -500 taunt listed, but I figured the green Tanks could grab a jet pack and hover near the greens while spamming attacks. They'll hardly do any damage, but I'd think the greens would preferentially blast them over the Hami taunter.

Unfortunately, I can't recall damage numbers in enough detail to make a reliable formula to calculate this. Unless anyone else has them, might just be easier to do a raid, get some numbers, test some things out in the process, etc.

Empirical evidence FTW?

Is this your way of volunteering to be our solo Hami taunter?

All kidding aside, was this with an EoE? With the greens still up and debuffing? What was your HP/Regen at? +/- insults directed at Hamidon's mom?

This is why I'd like to try it with Tanks with finished builds to get a better idea.

Just a heads up, if you add the yellow taunters to the yellow assault team as they move around, make sure to remind the Tanks to turn off their taunt auras. We've had issues at several of our raids with Tankers stealing aggro and wiping the Scrappers because of this.

I think of all the things to be worried about, Hami taunt is the biggest one for me. There are only 2 real threats at any raid: Hamidon damage and yellow mito damage. The blues are more annoying than dangerous and can slow down DPS with their end drains. The greens do little damage and although put out significant -regen debuff, this should be easily mitigated with Tanks taunting those greens. So the bottom line is, if raiders aren't taking aggro, they're not dying, and if they're not dying, defeating the other mitos is just a matter of time.

I know that 6 yellow Tanks can survive with EoEs and no regen buffs, because it's happened at previous raids. Worst case scenario is that if a yellow Tanker does die, the Tank next to them can take over taunting while they rez, or one of the yellow taunters whose yellow has been defeated can take over. So I'm not worried about this team in general.

While holding the green mitos is an interesting issue, the bottom line is that unless Hami aggro can be properly controlled, we won't get a chance to hold the greens. Thus, Hami aggro is personally what I'd stabilize first.

With that said, I had a thought about how to do the Hami taunt team (using only Tanker powers and no temps). We get WP Tanks with capped HP, high regen and Resurgence (self rez). With 3 recharge IOs in this power and Hasten, the recharge time on it is approximately 2 minutes (120 seconds). It will likely be shorter considering global recharge bonuses that some will have in their builds. If we can determine how long a Tank can last with an EoE and no regen buffs (i.e. no bio nukes) vs Hami, we can calculate how many Tanks would need to be added to the rotation to make this taunt stream perma. For example, if each Tank can last 30 seconds, we would need a minimum of 4 Tanks. For the sake of argument, let's lower the bar even more and assume we need 8 Tanks. 120 seconds/8 Tanks = 15 seconds/Tank. 15 seconds sounds doable, though would be rough on EoEs, but doable. Let's say we're really in trouble and 15 seconds is too long. If we have a team of green taunters, they'll be close by and could taunt to buy some time if need be. (I don't think it'll actually come to that, but I like to think worst case scenario so that I can establish back ups and contingencies.)

In order to get a sense of how many we'd actually need, what I might do is hold a regular raid, and once we've cleared all mitos and are at Hami, have a Tank with just an EoE take aggro and time how long they last. This should simulate what it would be like if the -regen from the greens was mitigated at an actual raid.

Once we know how to manage Hami aggro, we can roughly calculate how many holds it would take to hold the greens. They have mag 50 hold protection and 50% hold resistance, meaning the duration of holds would be reduced and would have to be considered. As Flea stated, some Tanks have holds right in their attack set while others might have to switch their Epic set. While you might not get many /Ice Melee Tanks, I believe you'd get a very decent amount of SS Tanks, and a fair number of Stone. So I think all in all it would be doable without the use of temp powers. We just might have to inform folks that those attack sets are favorable for this type of raid if they're choosing between Tanks.