Alpha_Zulu

9/29/06 was the OP.

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So uh where are these new boards we were told about in I13 BETA?

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They're still there.

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I know that.

They just made it seem that after I13 would launch the new boards would be released soon...

Hmm looks good. But did you make said image from scratch?

So uh where are these new boards we were told about in I13 BETA?

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@ENEMY 0F M4N 3
TBA


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wat happened to that cold/sonic?

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He's bringing the secret weapon.

One that trows block of ice

I know. Just saying, it's a pretty badass story

Why don't you have the Lord Recluse story in your sig?

SO MAD

so uh...why are we running the same Snaptooth missions we ran last year? Since last year there was no possible way to come up with something new?

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stalker 154 (can full crit)

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Shiiiiiiiiiii.........I had a stalker hit me with sharks for 262 and it then crited for 262. Did more damage than my AS.

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STF go increased by 13 but LRSF stayed the same.

WOW, gg

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fixed that for ya

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Yeah thanks. Well anyways, I think Villains got the shaft on this one.

STF go increased by 13 but LRSF stayed the same.

WOW, gg

Ultima you nub, busting out the OP toon. Gosh in all your 4 billion accounts don't you have ONE toon that isn't a FOTM OP toon?




















/d-bag mode off

Watch out Scribe. I might hafta level up a Dual blades/Dark armor tank and get serious.

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Alouette Here ya go.
Edited to give ya an update Tarter
Alouette Dolled out

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Holy hell man she's got a huge rack. She must have back problems or something

Impressive. Most impressive.

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Oh and happy birthday Con


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Yeah happy b-day

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This thread is still epic.

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I agree.

What ever happened to this guy anyways?

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Suppressed by i13

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Ask your question in a better way, maybe?

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"Why these particular changes?"

"What direction are you guys planning on taking PvP?"

Not very hard question and not poorly worded imo, but hey feel free to think so.


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Yes, I do know some folks that were in the ladder at one time or another, but what does that have to do with anything I said? Do you not remember the huge list of changes/requests the PvP community put together and gave to Ex to pass on to the Devs? Would someone that's happy with the game the way it was do that?

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You still haven't refuted one simple fact. They liked I12 more than I13 so they left.

The list was made because yes there were some issues with i12, but i13 is WAY worse compared to i13. I can't even imagine what the hell kind of list would be made if we sat down and made one.

No one was nearly unhappy with I12 as they are with I13. I'm not denying I12 had it's flaws, but I13 is way worse in comparison. That's why we have a non-existing ladder.


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So, because it wasn't long enough, or what you wanted to hear, it's not an answer? Ok.....

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No, they simply didn't respond. When someone asks "Hey how are you doing today" and they respond with "Well you see the economic turmoil in Afghanistan post nine eleven directly effected the opium market."

You're sort of like "WTF dude, you didn't even answer my question." Which is what happened during beta, no real communication between NC and players.


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And they explained why the Arena got tweaked first. It was the only area of PvP that didn't require anything but playing around with the power numbers. The lolraiding part...ok, yeah, it's pretty broken, but that's the reason they're fixing it. I'm looking forward to what they're going to do, because it's really the only thing justifying having a SG base with defenses in it right now. Teleporting and storage are not supposed to be the only functions a base has.

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Like I said before, Castle clearly stated these were changes for the arena. However, he's wrong. These changes are for zones.

People TPing away is not an issue in the arena.
People getting TP + AS ganked is not an issue in the arena.
Buff bots were not an issue in the arena.
Phasing was not an issue in the arena.
Spiking was not an issue in the arena.

All these changes were actually targeted at zones.


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So stop blaming the Devs for the lack of communication. It's clearly marketing and PR that's put the clamps on new information. Castle or BaB have no say in what they're allowed to talk about.

The Devs aren't going to hit a homerun every time with every Issue or major update. It would be nice, but they're human. Can we lower our expectations just a tad, and keep this in mind?

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I'm simply stating that during beta, they said, that they were going to make changes based off of TribeHavok's suggestions. Which was a complete and utter lie. They didn't actually do that.
And it's not "new" data if it's in testing and we're in closed beta imo.

I'm not trying to target the devs because I get off to it.

And you're right they didn't hit a homerun with this issue. They created a PvP system that's even more botched that what it was before.

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Personally, I think this issue is more about the players being too stubborn to accept the reasons that were given for those particular changes.

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False. The devs haven't given any reasons. I myself have asked Castle where exactly they're going with PvP and why these changes and all he's said was

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As for a goal statement. I'm not sure what you are asking.

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I don't think there's very many people that could honestly say they were completely happy with pre-I13 PvP.

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Of course you don't know. You happen to know any players that played on the ladder? Look at the ladder in it's current state.. See it's non-existent state? All those people were happy with I12 PvP. I13 made them leave.

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When the Devs made steps to change it, players suddenly cried foul.

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Crying foul and asking legitimate questions are two different things. During closed beta a lot of questions were asked, mainly "why". Or "where are you going with this". Both of which were never answered by any devs. They prefered to browse the boards and give one lined answered instead of real answers.

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They cried knowing that the Devs were only partially done with said changes (still working on Zones and Raiding).

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Ironic part is this, these changes were for the arena and not the zones. Yet it's blatantly obvious these changes are for the zones. And lolraiding.

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When you get yelled at for not doing something, and then yelled at again by the same people when you do do something, isn't that a confusing message the players are sending to the Devs?

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When the devs specifically say "Hey guise, in the next patch we listened to your feedback. We're going to make changes with Tribehavok's suggestions in mind! I'm sure you'll like the next patch, be sure to check it out."

In a nutshell, I13 beta was a bunch of non communication with NC and them basically saying "Next patch will be better we promise."

Kind of like now, it's a bunch of "Wait and see cause it's gonna get better."

So who killed who today after those arena matches we had.

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I mean seriously, just exactly which community is Ex Libris supposted to be coordinating with? Cause so far she sure as heck hasn't been coordinating with this one.

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That's sig worthy.

No [censored]

I got a toon to 50, am I cool?

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FITE LIEK A TRU WARRIOR!!

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Don't forget to clean those swords after disemboweling yourself

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Next.

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