American_Valor

Clear the zone, a badge hunt, costume contest: Heroes and Villains of any level can join with Supersidekick ability allowing us to be working together (co-op zone). Only one place is fitting for all that on what is being called the 6th Anniversary event.

The Rikti War Zone.

Over 72 months ago White Plains was destroyed. The Mothership has continuous activity, the Rikti have been establishing a beachhead hold on the area. So we strike them hard, and continuously throughout the day. Multiple high level teams can heed the call from Lady Grey (LGTF 45+) and assault the Mothership through the catacombs beneath the ship, While the main attack force strikes the pylons and the Mothership in a recreation style battle of Alpha and Omega teams. Only this time defeating the invading hordes and driving them back for a time being.



What say you all, Think we liberty folks can put this together in 9 days.

Update for actual days based on schedule event release target day should actually be 20100501-2 (May 1 & 2) (See In game announcements/ home page announcements for detail information)

Some event information: only listing Liberty stuff peeps.

• P.E.R.C. Presents Mirror, Mirror!
  Sunday, April 25th, 2010 @ in Pocket D
  Liberty: 7:45pm EST
  
  
• Liberty Server Picture reshoot 6:00 PM Pacific / 9:00 PM Eastern
  Hero and Villains in CoOp zone location TBD (Suggestions for location in the Whole Server thread. Remember zone cap in effect for zones is 100)
  
  
• Avatea posted Monday, April 26th - Liberty (4-7pm PST / 7pm-10pm EST)
  
  You may have noticed that things tend to get a little... "out of hand" in-game on our anniversaries. Well, this year will be no exception! On Monday, April 26th and Tuesday, April 27th, get ready for chaos to break loose on a server near you! Don't miss out on this opportunity to band together with your fellow players to defeat giant obstacles, earn merits, badges, XP and maybe even pick up a 30 day anniversary title!
  Avatea posted Monday, April 26th - Liberty (4-7pm PST / 7pm-10pm EST)
  Depending on your server, report to Atlas Park or Talos Island (if you’re a hero), and Cap au Diable (if you’re a villain)!
  
  
• Global Anniversary Address From War Witch (20100428 8:00 pm est)
  
  This year, the baton has been passed to War Witch who will present the 6 Year Anniversary Address to players. At approximately 8pm EST in-game (and shortly thereafter on the website), she will share some words of wisdom that will no doubt reflect on the past and help us all look forward to the future!

And there are lots more of exciting things happening during the 6th Anniversary. So check out the main home page for more information.

American Valor
Sentinel Of Liberty
SG founder

I don't generally care what AT you play unless I know my main SG support team will not be present. Then I ask very specifically for my team emp/defender, and my damage dealers and this again depends on the mission/session that were are doing. (Also frendship/ prior character/ player teaming exempts AT issues) So to have an arrow/arrow defender with the med pool they are close to the bottom of my team selection. It doesn't make them a bad player or the character ineffective, But my INV/SS tank with the med pool should not be the first line of healing or rezing if there is a defender on the team. Thats my view. Just like my scrapper with provoke shouldn't be the hami taunt tank. Just my 2 merits worth.

AV

GEL send me a link to the picture Maybe we can merge them together from Friday and Sunday.

AV

I would make a suggestion to do a Picture reshoot with consideration of our westcoast members of Liberty. They have a 3 hour time difference so an 8:00 pm shoot was 5:00 pm there and people were just getting out of work, home from school etc.

Since today is Saturday, I would suggest a Sunday evening shoot, 6pm PDT/9pm EDT.

Any thoughts from our forum crowds?

AV

Hmm... (SM) sigh

Great Video DR..

Thanks for the great work always.

AV

Yes exactly my point GG you picked up on it perfectly. Anakin / Vader story went from hero to villain and finally maybe redemption. When Anakin saved his son Luke and stopped the Emperor and in doing so sacrificing his own life the ultimate act, there was some good in him. But was he completely redeemed, or was it as you said default because he had been the chosen one.

But we're readily willing to accept he is redeemed and a Force Ghost with Yoda and Ben. But just because he is redeemed does that make him a hero again?

Yet I condem Ozy for the exact opposite because he kills millions to save the planet. He fell from grace and became the Villain he vowed to protect the world from. What would he have to do to redeem himself and could he ever be accepted as a hero again, and would his team mates ever trust him again?

Sorry Steele but Monday May 10th
But I'll share grins.

Valor

You pose excellent questions and thoughts, Happy to discuss intelligently. And of course my answers are based on the belief that Evil is defined by Action and Intent.

Some interesting thoughts:

Let me bring a few things in; a couple people have answered this, but I want to bring it back.

Even if the act of murdering unsuspecting millions to save billions is evil, is everyone who performs that act an evil person?

Yes on just the stance of the question. What would make it less evil if Superman did it instead of Doctor Doom.

Ozy did countless acts of pure goodness with his massive holdings in finance and industry: charitable contributions, ethical business practices (with some notable exceptions), the development of technologies, employment, not to mention any personal fisticuffs he might have engaged in versus criminals and villains.

During much of the time where he was doing good deeds, he was planning and working toward this evil act.

At some point I believe he became disenchanted with the system and concluded the ends justified the means.

Was he born evil? No
Do his good deeds in any way mitigate the bad? No
Is he a good person?
He would believe he was, just like the Punisher believes he is with his war on organized crime.
Does it matter?
Hmm a question I would have to expand on. Matter to whom, Him or Me. Qzy believes everything he did he did for the good of mankind, for him the end justified the means. Frank Castle aka the Punisher feels the same way. And Castle is an escaped criminal from Rikers having stood trial and been convicted for his crimes.
Should Ozy go to prison (where he can presumably do no more evil or good)?
Yes, No one is above the law.
Should the truth about his act be exposed even if nuclear doom awaits as the price ("never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon")(should he stand trial)?
Yes, think about this the conspiracy theory and when the other nations found out they might assume it was a disguised act of war which would be worse.
Should the other heroes 'let this one slide' under the circumstances/considering the alternatives?
Okay… That would assume that I felt Ozy was still a Hero. I don’t his actions and intent in the definition is evil. His deeds are evil and that makes him a villain. Should a hero allow the villain to simply escape, he betrayed and even killed members of his team. Of course some people would believe that was okay also.
Should Ozy be condemned for things he might do in the future to maintain world peace?
His actions have established him as a villain, and to be honest OZY is actually a Supervillain. If nothing else he is a person of interest and needs to be watched, to ensure the continued safety of the planet

On the subject of murderers being evil...

Okay first on the term murderers, a Murderer is a person who has committed the act of murder.
Murder is defined as: (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder)
Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson.

Just some things to consider on the specific subject of 'killing a person without their foreknowledge, outside of actual ongoing combat, because in your mind they are a threat or have committed a capital crime'...


Military/SWAT snipers? Does not apply see definition above.
Government Assassins? Only in movies and books in those they are sanctioned by their respective Govt’s and if caught in the act they would be/are disavowed and left to fend on their own as criminals.
A person attempting to escape a kidnapper/captor? Self defense
A person defending against a home invader (assuming they do not know whether the invader is armed or means harm)? Castle Law/Self Defense
A person under a mortal threat to themselves or family should they not murder (for instance, committing murder in order to ransom a loved one)?
Dicey, but They would still be guilty of murder. Frank Castle’s family was on a picnic in central park and caught in a crossfire and killed. Thus the Punisher was born.

My philosophy is that in the absence of omniscience, telepathy, etc, the ethics of a person must be defined in terms of what they believe about the circumstances of an act as well as their overall pattern of behavior, rather than the heinous quality of an individual act.

I haven't seen the Blair Witch Project, but my understanding is that if an ugly old woman had stumbled upon the campers at the wrong time, they might have deliberately killed her with no evil intent.

The legal considerations of such an act, in my mind, are separate from the moral ones: even if the person who regularly commits murder honestly believes they have a good reason every time, they might still need to be imprisoned for the good of society as a whole...whether they 'deserve' it or not.

I haven’t seen that movie either so I can’t comment on that. What I could say is If they discussed what they would do if they found the witch and then acted on that upon stumbling on to a old woman that would be action and intent and could be construed to be an evil act.

Bring back the original question:
my answers are based on the belief that Evil is defined by Action and Intent.

Okay out manuvered, by the Sisters I was trying to figure out how we would be able to form up our teams, as I don't have anyone doing the freakshow war then blam.


When: Sunday, April 11, 2010
Time: 4:00 PM PDT **Please Note - different starting time
Where: Ouroboros
What: Flashback Story Arc - The Freakshow War
Levels: 30 - 34
Reward: 33 Reward Merits + a great story!


Excellent job on the clues. I give you full marks on your O.W.l.s. OW

Team Valor will be lead by Gallent Blade or Global Shield. See you there!

AV

Alrighty, this is a um segway/threadjack sort of...

In for fun/culture Marcian Tobay started a thread asking a reverse question sort of, and I have been drawn into it a couple times.

That Thread is titled "Is Evil defined by action intent both or neither?"

link to my post: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=206

I will ask the same question here:

If killing one person saves the world, is that a world worth saving?

I stated clearly in that post what my intention was I believe.
Has the definition of Kill changed from what I posted?
The ensuing disscussion ... has me asking this question here.

Am I so off base and unconnected with society, do people really believe killing someone is a good deed?

Valor

The end never justifies the means. I'm idealistic that way.

Ozzy didn't tell all the people he murdered (killed) that they were dying for a good cause he just did it. Once you are told and you believe its true then you willing do just that and that changed the complete meaning of the question.

We polizerized to both sides of the discussion and I too also stand by my comments. And where I'm from, yea Murder and Kill are thought of as described. In my opinion there is nothing accidental about killing someone to save the world.

I will agree to disagree.

AV

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Clueless I'll be on early so I can follow the people who are clued

AV