Another_Fan

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I just ran a map spawned for 8 this afternoon. Something like 10 commons, a few pool A and a hecatomb chance of neg energy.

Buy them with merits

If they are pool C, roll in the appropriate ranges and hope you get the ones you want.

If they aren't pool C, get some tickets and roll in the appropriate ranges.

It would be nice if there was something better but unfortunately that is the range of your choices outside of the market or drops.

Your best is to place bids on the market above the last 5 and wait and hope. If you have a means of transferring inf, you might want to use a second character to make the bids and let them sit and wait on them.

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Don't see how that follows.

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Are there any links to this ?

I didn't ignore it. It is just impossible to provide a meaningful response to, and I hardly dispute the gist of it. Your statement essentially said "automated load testing isn't perfect". Yes this is so. Should load testing have caught the issue ? Seems likely. The problem was well defined and clearly dependent on load as low volume servers weren't being hit. (That is anecdotal)

But given that Uberguy is apparently in possession of information that they don't do automated load testing in any meaningful way it seems responding to your statement would have been even more foolish than making it was for you.

Its not a who but a what. Its an update to a variant of Eliza, that I wrote way back when. I used to let programmers type their excuses into it and let it reply. This was an upgrade to my earlier system of flash cards. Quite superior as it let me look at the resumes on my desk.

The funny thing is while hiring programmers has gone through ups and downs in terms of difficulty, hiring programmers you actually want to have on your project seems remarkably constant in terms of difficulty.

You really have to wonder just what would prevent that from happening.

Interesting that certainly isn't my perception. The original post was certainly short and on the irate side exactly what is expected from a customer when things aren't working. Then there seem to have been a raft of posts seeming to say that its unrealistic to expect software to work. properly.

So very true.

Of course if architecture operated on the same standards as software engineering, spontaneous building collapses would be excused by the complexity of the discipline.

LOL.

Opinion: Software development is complex: Agreement
Opinion: It's too complex to test except by inflicting it on the userbase: Disagreement

As to investment since I have been playing this game and reading the forums, I have seen many suggestions that their proponents felt were reasonable and well within the realm of possibility. What is more at least on the overall level there is very little to make them impossible. The same people over and over come out puff up their chests and proceed to beat down the proposer with rants about how COX is enormously complex, and they know little about the inner workings. This is also true.

The crux is being right about the complexity of COX has little to do with anything.

Recently the game has had the following added to it.

The ability to resize characters between costumes and change genders.
The ability to customize powers.

Its amazing what becomes possible with motivation.


Yes. I often wonder where customers get their silly ideas from. Usually it comes from the people that sold them the product, or just common levels of expectation.

There is a bit of truth about being in a position where delegate producing a certain lack of comprehension. The strange thing is, it gets worse the more knowledgeable a person is about a topic. I know that when I moved up into management I became almost completely deaf to people saying the exact same things I had been just a short while ago.

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If you go with their first entry there, Cadillac V-8-6-4 and the unmentioned problem that it had with occasionally shutting down while on the highway, it kind of undercuts the idea that designing an automobile is less complex than writing a program. I am sure there are more. In GM's case they let a product go into production that wasn't fully tested and probably failed to listen to anyone that was saying so. Do I feel that automotive design is complex, yes. Do I feel that automobiles are complex systems with many interacting systems ? Yes. Was I driving a Cadilac then ? Yes that's how I know about this. Will I again ? No, These days I drive an Acura, I hear GM has its quality up to par again, ehh so what.

Just another note, I see the new Fords incorporate a system from Microsoft these days. The jokes almost write themselves. If for whatever reason these cause significant difficulties do you think the software is difficult reason will hold water ?

That was for automatic load testing not software design. The post I was replying kept on insisting that if I wasn't playing on test I was somehow causing the lack of load testing.

Just out of curiosity and perversity if you are building something that is massively multiplayer wouldn't you at the start want to have some means of seeing how it works under massive load, aside from the obvious "Have lots of people use it"

Honestly why aren't you in Detroit how can you expect them to find problems that only crop up when the traffic is stop and go.

Oh as to the how

http://www-01.ibm.com/software/rational/

Seems someone has managed it. I wonder if any other companies have products like this or if somehow they are the only one..

This does illustrate the cultural divide though. Some people are invested in the game others just play it.

Actually I do read them, its what slows up my replies. Usually where the post is going to go is contained in the first few lines.

Anyway back to the "Reasons" what people have presented here as excuses are in no way shape or form reasons, they are little more than excuses.

Look let me take an example that is mathematically well described and well known.

I have a salesman I need to send him to cities I want to do this as efficiently as possible. I can't figure out how to do this myself so I hire a consultant. The consultant tells me there is no easy way to do this as there no easy way to deal with the complexity that adding extra cities entails. I say OK, I still need to schedule my salesmen so I go to another consultant and ask him can he do anything with this. He comes back and has a bunch of shortcuts techniques that don't produce a perfect solution but keep it manageable. Upshot I pay the second consultants bill and I see if I can take first to court to recover my funds.

I have heard everything that has been said by the people above about how difficult software engineering is. Mostly I have heard it along time ago from programmers I was managing. I used to tell them the above story. I would also point out to them I had written a debugger for expressly parallel code as my thesis, so elucidating the details of software complexity to me was vaguely insulting. Edit: It is up there with the person who tried to use mil spec development procedures as data why you can't develop software efficiently.

Anyhow the upshot was our customers didn't care about how hard software was, they wanted their salesmen scheduled.

Oh, sorry I thought this was excessively obvious. What we are talking about is a simulation, where the developer gets to specify everything about the simulation. The inputs are all generated by their software and the outputs don't have to conform to much of anything except what they say they should. Matter of fact the developer can change things have systems perform as they want them to work, but still blame the user for not using it in a manner they failed to inform the user about.

That is about as non real world as you get.

Really ?

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There are more. L-Tryptophan dietary supplements come to mind as another. But let me cut to the heart of the matter here. It goes something like this.

1. Most disciplines are held to certain standards of performance accountability

2. Software is inherently harder than other disciplines

3. Therefor Software should not be held to the same level of accountability.


Some counters go as follow.

1. Nobody who isn't in the software development community gives a rats rear about 2.

2. No 2 really isn't true there are many things that are more challenging than software design that regularly perform at a higher standard. To take your example, in medicine: Reboot the patient and restore from the backup just doesn't cut it.

3. Even taking 2 for granted, there are way to deal with difficulties that isolate the end user from them.

I lold sorry, but using real world in context of a videogame that simulates a fantasy setting is inherently comedy generating.

Anyway you are mischaracterizing my position, the question here is was it done, not if it can catch everything

No there is not. There are reasons for everything in the world. When you take a reason and say this should be overlooked because of reason X, the reason becomes an excuse. Whether you choose to accept the excuse or not is entirely a personal issue.

What kills me here is that the OP made a perfectly valid observation, and all of a sudden the amateur red names are trying to jump down his throat and making excuses for NCSoft.

LOL its not my product. I have no financial interest in it. I will derive no career advancement from it. If it doesn't work right long enough and often enough and the outages are severe enough, I will simply suspend my sub.

If your car company said to you, "well if handling testing is that important to you why weren't you at the test track", would you just say, "Oh you are so right. Let me fly to detroit and test your product for you on my dime" ? If a drug company said to you "Well if you care so much about that foot growing out of your forehead, why didn't you volunteer to be a test subject" what would your reaction be.

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