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Some great ideas here.

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I hope you realise destroying the Hamidon destroys the Devouring Earth. I guess a few people here won't be going on any more Hami raids then.

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I think we defeat the Hamidon, not destroy it

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Ahhh yes the same way we 'arrest' people by hitting them with fireballs and sticking a katana in them

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Besides, all id have to do would be arrest a few hellions and somebody would call me a hero afterwards. reassuring!

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Hero worship is easy to come by in Paragon City

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Nope, Xenocide.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

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They come from another planet; sure it might be a duplicate of ours, but it isn't actually ours. That makes them alien enough for me.

Besides, does xenophobia only work if the illegal alien is from Mars?

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It's not easy being green

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You're from Pylea? Or Muppetland?

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Pylea! Do the dance of joy!

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Do the dance of shame!

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hehe

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Nope, Xenocide.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

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They come from another planet; sure it might be a duplicate of ours, but it isn't actually ours. That makes them alien enough for me.

Besides, does xenophobia only work if the illegal alien is from Mars?

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It's not easy being green

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You're from Pylea? Or Muppetland?

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Pylea! Do the dance of joy!

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Nope, Xenocide.

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If they were aliens you might be correct. So you're not

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They come from another planet; sure it might be a duplicate of ours, but it isn't actually ours. That makes them alien enough for me.

Besides, does xenophobia only work if the illegal alien is from Mars?

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It's not easy being green

He's not far from the starting point in Mercy Island and is the first contact for Villain epic characters.

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I hope you realise destroying the Hamidon destroys the Devouring Earth. I guess a few people here won't be going on any more Hami raids then.

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I didn't think anyone went on Hami raids anyway!

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Seemed to be one the other week I observed, must have been a good 30+ heroes there. Although Hami did win quite easily. I was there as part of the 'Devouring Earth deserves life to' brigade but I was ignored.

I hope you realise destroying the Hamidon destroys the Devouring Earth. I guess a few people here won't be going on any more Hami raids then.

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So is it then not heroic to defend yourself, save humanity? Or is it better to die?

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Answer with a question.
Is it heroic to kill in order to protect?

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In this situation, where we have done no wrong where we were the attacked not the attackers, yes. Same as it is heroic to kill in order to save an innocent, or protect a child. Risking one's own life to save another, when that life you are protecting has done no wrong, yes, heroic.

Well i'll make it simple then.

In the scenario I envisage every peace loving Rikti has been killed. All that remains is the Rikti who want to wipe out out, every single last one is dedicated to wiping out humanity. They know it's not our fault, but they want us gone anyway. They won't ever stop, won't quit, won't give in. If we don't wipe them out humanity is doomed.

So is it then not heroic to defend yourself, save humanity? Or is it better to die?

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If it's a case of us getting wiped out or them getting wiped out, which would you choose? Is it heroic to let them win and let humanity die?

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Is this part of that "absolute power" thread earlier? Because thats the direction I can see it take now.

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Was that an answer?

If it's a case of us getting wiped out or them getting wiped out, which would you choose? Is it heroic to let them win and let humanity die?

Hi i'm Amy Winehouse and i'm a thugs/poison mastermind

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2) We win the war and we are now on the Rikti homeworld, all new zones on that world, trying to destroy them completely.

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That's not very heroic.

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Depends which faction of the Rikti wins their own little civil war. The ones who want peace wins then yes your totally right. However i'm thinking the others win, the one's who want to wipe out humanity.

In that case heroism is in saving your own world, winning the war.

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Recluse doesn't stand a chance given the amount of infiltrators he's now allowed into his organisation and that doesn't even allow for the villains who only pretend to show him some allegiance.

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That's a very good point, he's got hundreds if not thousands of very annoyed and very capable 'destined ones' who will be gunning for him. Tactical error me thinks from the so called mastermind.

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Surely it's better to have 'hundreds if not thousands' 'gunning for him' and for each other than to have only one or two who could concentrate on deposing Lord Recluse?

Maybe a tactical masterstroke to have so many that they will expend too much energy fighting each other.


Yes - I know CoV doesn't pit you against other PCs, but if a similar situation did exist in reality surely each villain would be interested in knocking out the competing destined ones.

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I see your point, but if you had hundred albeit thousands of super villains, chances are many would team up to take out Recluse, or go after Recluse first before dealing with the competition. After all these 'others' have done nothing to you, while Recluse is a very big target.

I call it a tactical error, although I see, given the right conditions it could be a tactical success.

For a future issue do you think it would be a good idea to really turn it on it's heel?

How about either:

1) The Rikti win the war, and in a future issue we the heroes and villains are fighting as an insurgency force trying to reclaim the planet.

2) We win the war and we are now on the Rikti homeworld, all new zones on that world, trying to destroy them completely.

3) Humanity turns on the super beings, heroes and villains are forced to ally in order to survive.

I know it would take a lot of effort and a BIG issue, but I think it would really be fun, and turn the game on it's head.

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Recluse doesn't stand a chance given the amount of infiltrators he's now allowed into his organisation and that doesn't even allow for the villains who only pretend to show him some allegiance.

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That's a very good point, he's got hundreds if not thousands of very annoyed and very capable 'destined ones' who will be gunning for him. Tactical error me thinks from the so called mastermind.

I'm asking for selfish reasons really as two of my villains have developed into heroes really through their character progession. At least in my storylines for them.

Although i'm sure there are others out there with similar evil turning good and good turning to evil characters like Myopic's above.

Mine are Fenris my electric brute, has turned to good after defeating Recluse, learning the value of saving lives instead of taking them.

And Aerie Angel, went undercover pretending to be evil in order to find out who had set up her family. Now her mission is almost complete she really should turn back to good.

Does anyone else have a similar character alignment changing story?

Discussed many times in the past i'm sure. But i'll raise it again, would you like the option to change a hero to a villain and vice versa in the game?

I know would be difficult albeit impossible at the moment, but if heroes and villains shared the same power sets eventually in a far off future issue...

I've done this arc once, with my purely evil evil villain who has no morals at all. However my villains with morals avoided the arc, as they wouldn't sink that low, and felt it would cheapen them to do it.

My 50's

Eternius (Robot MM) - Nothings gonna stand in our way http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KcYn...eature=related

Aerie (Empathy Defender) - In the arms of an angel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ar1K_R9Uvc

Saphira (Peacebringer) Dare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcIlK5xYpZ0

Fenris Wolf (Elec Brute) Adrenaline http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuKb7DMx6f8