Dark Armor and endurance


Deathless

 

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Dark Armor looks like an ideal pairing with Titan Weapons especially for someone who likes to min/max their toons. My only concern about DA are the toggles… How viable is the pairing with TW if the fight goes beyond several minutes? I’m sure taking energy mastery will help but will it be enough?


 

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It's pretty much unanimous on the forums that the technology does not yet exist to create a viable dark armor build. It just uses too much endurance. Many have tried, all have failed. Legends tell of the chosen one who will come from the east on a steed of pure blue and save us from this curse, but I say those are just old wives' tales.


 

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A. Check out any of the previous Dark Armor threads and see what's been discussed.

B. Check out any of the previous Dark Armor Guides, including Jebe the Pirate's guide in the Tanker Guide section, and Dechs Kaison's guide in his signature.

C. Yes. It can be even more viable with IOs and proper slotting.

D. Carp


ps. the "carp" is just for laughs...


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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down View Post
A. Check out any of the previous Dark Armor threads and see what's been discussed.

B. Check out any of the previous Dark Armor Guides, including Jebe the Pirate's guide in the Tanker Guide section, and Dechs Kaison's guide in his signature.

C. Yes. It can be even more viable with IOs and proper slotting.

D. Carp


ps. the "carp" is just for laughs...
For some, "carp" is a horrific and painful death on the path to fun.


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Consider these convincing testimonials:

"[Dark] armor is a good set but in your case I suggest aegis" -Warner

"I'll never forgive myself [for making this horrible error of judgement (playing dark armor)]" -Dex Kais'n

"Take it from me: dark armor sucks!" -Mike "Positive" Mullen


 

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Originally Posted by Deathless View Post
Dark Armor looks like an ideal pairing with Titan Weapons especially for someone who likes to min/max their toons. My only concern about DA are the toggles… How viable is the pairing with TW if the fight goes beyond several minutes? I’m sure taking energy mastery will help but will it be enough?
Dark Armor Sucks.

And on a Brute.

And my guide.


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I actually know somebody who has built TW/DA and is basically his main.

He has no trouble at all at 50, and on an incomplete build at that.




Yes, TW and DA are both end-hungry, but there are a lot of tools you unlock at 50 to fix that. Cardiac pretty much insures that whatever set you're running IS NOT going to run out of Endurance, and it gives you a boost to Resistance, too. That's probably the "least-effort" solution.

Why you wouldn't pair TW with something like /Electric is beyond me, though. A set that helps out your damage (more than DA) with arguably better survivability and an endurance restore.. well... shameless plug for my favorite set, I guess.


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This is what I did...I elected to run build 2, because it accomplishes what I wanted in terms of damage and recharge...In order to get the recharge I need, I run ageless radial destiny.

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Nightmare's Shadow: Level 50 Mutation Brute
Primary Power Set: Titan Weapons
Secondary Power Set: Dark Armor
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Defensive Sweep -- SBrutesF-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(A), SBrutesF-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(17), SBrutesF-Dmg/Rchg:50(19), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(19), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(21), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(21)
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), Aegis-ResDam:50(3), Aegis-Psi/Status:50(3), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(5), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(5), GA-3defTpProc:50(7)
Level 2: Death Shroud -- FotG-ResDeb%:50(A), FotG-Dam/End/Rech:50(23), FotG-Acc/End/Rech:50(23), Erad-Acc/Rchg:30(25), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(25), Erad-Dmg:30(29)
Level 4: Crushing Blow -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(34), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(36), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(36), Mako-Dam%:50(37)
Level 6: Murky Cloud -- Aegis-ResDam:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(7), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(9), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(13), S'fstPrt-ResKB:30(13)
Level 8: Titan Sweep -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(A), Erad-Dmg:30(9), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(39), Erad-Acc/Rchg:30(39)
Level 10: Obsidian Shield -- Aegis-ResDam:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(11), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(11)
Level 12: Build Momentum -- GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(40)
Level 14: Follow Through -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(37), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:50(37), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(46), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(46), Mako-Dam%:50(48)
Level 16: Dark Regeneration -- Erad-Acc/Rchg:30(A), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(17), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(40), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(42), Theft-+End%:30(42), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen:50(50)
Level 18: Rend Armor -- SBrutesF-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SBrutesF-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(42), SBrutesF-Rech/Fury:50(43), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(43), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(43)
Level 20: Cloak of Darkness -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(33), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(34)
Level 22: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(33)
Level 24: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(27), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(27)
Level 28: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(31), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg:50(50)
Level 30: Whirling Smash -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(31), Erad-%Dam:30(33), Erad-Acc/Rchg:30(34), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(39), Erad-Dmg:30(46)
Level 32: Arc of Destruction -- FotG-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech:50(A), FotG-Dam/End/Rech:50(40), FotG-Acc/End/Rech:50(45), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(48), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg:50(50)
Level 35: Oppressive Gloom -- Acc-I:50(A)
Level 38: Soul Transfer -- Sciroc-Acc/Rchg:50(A)
Level 41: Superior Conditioning -- P'Shift-End%:50(A)
Level 44: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Def:50(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(45), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(45)
Level 47: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(48)
Level 49: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-End%:50(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-EndRdx:50(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 4: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 4: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(15)
Level 4: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 4: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod:50(A), EndMod-I:50(15), P'Shift-End%:50(31)
Level 1: Momentum
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 50: Ion Core Final Judgement
Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface
Level 50: Cimeroran Core Superior Ally
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Nightmare's Shadow v2.0: Level 50 Mutation Brute
Primary Power Set: Titan Weapons
Secondary Power Set: Dark Armor
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Crushing Blow -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(3), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(5), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(5)
Level 1: Dark Embrace -- RctvArm-ResDam:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(7), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(7), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(9), GA-3defTpProc:50(9)
Level 2: Death Shroud -- FotG-ResDeb%:50(A), FotG-Acc/End/Rech:50(11), FotG-Dam/End/Rech:50(11), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(13), Erad-Acc/Rchg:30(13), Erad-Dmg:30(15)
Level 4: Murky Cloud -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(A), S'fstPrt-ResKB:30(15), RctvArm-ResDam:40(17), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(17), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(19), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(19)
Level 6: Titan Sweep -- FotG-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech:50(A), FotG-Acc/End/Rech:50(21), FotG-Dam/End/Rech:50(21), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(23), Erad-Acc/Rchg:30(23), Erad-Dmg:30(25)
Level 8: Build Momentum -- Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg:20(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit:20(25)
Level 10: Obsidian Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(27), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(27), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(29)
Level 12: Follow Through -- SBrutesF-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(A), SBrutesF-Rech/Fury:50(29), SBrutesF-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(31), Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(31), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(31), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(48)
Level 14: Taunt -- Zinger-Dam%:50(A)
Level 16: Dark Regeneration -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg:30(36), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(36), Theft-+End%:30(37), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen:50(37), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(37)
Level 18: Rend Armor -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(42), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg:50(42), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx:50(43), Hectmb-Dam%:50(43)
Level 20: Cloak of Darkness -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(34), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(36), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg:50(50)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(33), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(34), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(34)
Level 26: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(33), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(33)
Level 28: Whirling Smash -- SBrutesF-Dmg/Rchg:50(A), SBrutesF-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(46), SBrutesF-Acc/Dmg:50(46), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(48), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(48), Erad-Dmg:30(50)
Level 30: Cloak of Fear -- N'mare-EndRdx/Fear:50(A), N'mare-Acc/EndRdx:50(40), N'mare-Acc/Fear:50(42)
Level 32: Arc of Destruction -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(39), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(39), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx:50(40), Armgdn-Dam%:50(40)
Level 35: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(39)
Level 38: Soul Transfer -- Sciroc-Acc/Rchg:50(A)
Level 41: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(50)
Level 44: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(45), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(45)
Level 47: Superior Conditioning -- P'Shift-End%:50(A)
Level 49: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-End%:50(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 4: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 4: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(43)
Level 4: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 4: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod:50(45), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(46)
Level 1: Momentum
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 50: Ion Core Final Judgement
Level 50: Degenerative Radial Flawless Interface
Level 50: Warworks Core Superior Ally
Level 50: Ageless Radial Epiphany
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle View Post
It's pretty much unanimous on the forums that the technology does not yet exist to create a viable dark armor build. It just uses too much endurance. Many have tried, all have failed. Legends tell of the chosen one who will come from the east on a steed of pure blue and save us from this curse, but I say those are just old wives' tales.
Do you even read the forums?

OP: Check out my sig, as well as Dechs's stuff.


My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."

 

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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim View Post
Do you even read the forums?

OP: Check out my sig, as well as Dechs's stuff.
Pssst... I think he was "joking"....


Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....

Come show your resolve and fight my brute!
Tanks: Gauntlet, the streak breaker and you!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim View Post
Do you even read the forums?

OP: Check out my sig, as well as Dechs's stuff.
Times like this, one wishes the sarcasterisk would become more widely used.

*The sarcasterisk is a great idea, and everyone will love it!*


 

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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down View Post
Pssst... I think he was "joking"....
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Originally Posted by Hopeling View Post
Times like this, one wishes the sarcasterisk would become more widely used.

*The sarcasterisk is a great idea, and everyone will love it!*
Y'know, I considered that, but I can never tell with PleaseRecycle.


My guides:Dark Melee/Dark Armor/Soul Mastery, Illusion Control/Kinetics/Primal Forces Mastery, Electric Armor
"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."

 

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Originally Posted by Hopeling View Post
Times like this, one wishes the sarcasterisk would become more widely used.

*The sarcasterisk is a great idea, and everyone will love it!*
Well now you're just trying to confuse me! Should I use sarcasterisks? Are you being sarcastic about sarcasterisks?! Are you being sarcastic towards those who are sarcastic about sarcarsterisks?! I HAVE TO KNOW!

As others have pointed out, DA is completely viable once you've figured out your slotting. I once made an Elec/DA build for a friend that hit the 32.5% def mark for S/L/E/N and had 5 Perf Shifter procs and one Heal +end proc. I never saw him complain again about endurance, and he ran all his toggles.


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Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.

 

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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim View Post
Y'know, I considered that, but I can never tell with PleaseRecycle.
At least with Jonny Butane, I know it's gonna be overall anger at Tanker damage no matter what. With people who joke and are serious, I'm thrown for a loop.


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