I have a 'Problem' - Building Fire/Dual Blades
Okay... I was happy with my previous build. Really, I swear I was!
And Endurance Use was still a mess. If I wasn't careful, I could run out at the worst time. So, I'm reluctantly recognizing that Leadership is just not helping me that much.
With my load-out, I'm carrying +80% Accuracy in Everything! Even I am willing to admit that's... a little silly. So Tactics was for my Teammates and... I'm the Tanker, not the Defender, shouldn't they be 'supporting' me, rather than the other way? And Assault was adding +10% Damage... Which is kinda paltry AND IF I was willing to give up Leadership...
Well, I could add Energy Mastery to my build! And that would completely solve the whole endurance dysfunction issue from both sides.
Add that to a few other ideas I had and it looks a little better. Now I will have a 2 End/sec standing advantage (and 2 fewer toggles to clutter my trays).
I still don't have respectable Defense, but I'm also not willing to give up all that Crushing Impact gives me, in exchange for Kinetic Combat. Iff it were Melee Defense... I might consider it, but I don't have the slots to 6-slot my attacks. Besides, Touch of Death sucks.
Here's what I've got:
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Kitsuneko Ten-tails: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Secondary Power Set: Dual Blades
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(3), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(3), RctvArm-ResDam(5)
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(5), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(7), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 2: Power Slice -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(11), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13)
Level 4: Ablating Strike -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(13), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 6: Healing Flames -- Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(A), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Numna-Heal/Rchg(19), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(19)
Level 8: Consume -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(31), Sciroc-Dam%(43)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- Krma-ResKB(A)
Level 12: Plasma Shield -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(23), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(43), S'fstPrt-ResKB(48)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 16: Typhoon's Edge -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(23), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(25), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(25), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33)
Level 18: Burn -- MotTanker-Acc/Dmg(A), MotTanker-Dmg/Rchg(27), MotTanker-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), MotTanker-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), MotTanker-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 20: Blinding Feint -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(29), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 22: Blazing Aura -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(33), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(42), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43), MotTanker-Rchg/Res%(46)
Level 24: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(50), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(50), Mocking-Rchg(50)
Level 26: Kick -- Acc-I(A)
Level 28: Vengeful Slice -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(34), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 30: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(34), RctvArm-ResDam(45), RctvArm-EndRdx(45)
Level 32: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(36), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48), LkGmblr-Rchg+(48)
Level 35: Sweeping Strike -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42)
Level 38: One Thousand Cuts -- Erad-Acc/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(45)
Level 47: Temperature Protection -- GA-3defTpProc(A)
Level 49: Rise of the Phoenix -- OvForce-Dam/KB(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Heal-I(A), Numna-Heal(46), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(46)
Level 2: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod(37), P'Shift-End%(37)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 4: Ninja Run
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Be Well!
Fireheart
I still don't have respectable Defense, but I'm also not willing to give up all that Crushing Impact gives me, in exchange for Kinetic Combat. Iff it were Melee Defense... I might consider it, but I don't have the slots to 6-slot my attacks. Besides, Touch of Death sucks.
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A standing 2.5s advantage is a good ballpark minimum however you are using powers like 1k cuts I take it, a 3.5s cast which means a 3.5s end rec. Long cast times allow for end recovery making and you also have consume. One day someone you might of been able to save had you not been locked into a long cast time might make you think of cutting some combos out. In cutting combos out you might come down to BF>Attack Vitals as best. You might take fiery embrace, you might even take haste. The crushing impacts could be swapped to kinetic combats. What's slotted in Burn now you might see as best elsewhere. You might incarnate and lose the need for consume.
Overtime you might reluctantly come around before someone else with Fire/DB joins your team and does all the things you can not.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I like the challenge of problem builds! So pardon me for throwing my hat into the ring here...
What I've seen over the years in most "problem" builds is people taking too many attacks.
"But attacks are what let us defeat things! More is better, right?!"
In theory... We have finite slots and finite power choices, though, so it's a delicate dance of both your primary and secondary roles. Everything comes with a price, and attack-heavy builds usually faceplant in the defensive department.
The trick is how much offense can you sacrifice to give yourself near 90% in BOTH offense and defense. If you can get a high level in both (though neither is maxed) you can do 99% of the game easily.
So this's why I try and stick to five attacks or so on a Tank, tops. You as a Fiery Aura will probly want to aim for five from Dual Blades, as Burn and Blazing Aura cover any other AoE you could possibly need.
Whether you want Sweep or Attack Vitals is up to you, but given you have serious AoE in Fiery Aura already taking both seems a tad redundant and constricting on slots.
We're forced as Tanks into taking Nimble Slash, so you may's well have Blinding Feint for the Empower Combo. Running through the Empower chain, then going into Attack Vitals makes a noticeable difference on hardened targets like armored Rikti.
I prefer Attack Vitals (which is what I have listed here) as it's faster, and does more damage per chain. It hits less targets in general, too, so if AoE is your thing you may want Sweep instead. You could easily do Sweep by maybe sacrificing slots off Taunt and losing Super Jump. Stinks, I know, but we do have Ninja Run these days.
If nothing else, keep in mind the Luck of the Gambler trick! The net effect of "muling" powers you'll never use in-game lets you get a lot more recharge than slotting five Crushing Impact sets will. That lets you free up those attacks for other set bonuses.
I also tend to like mule powers, as it's crap I can delete from my quickslots. A crowded power tray is a pet peeve of mine. If I can do a job with ~20 powers, why do I need thirty? That just slows me down and makes misclicks deadly in bad fights.
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Fire&DB: Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Secondary Power Set: Dual Blades
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(34), RctvArm-ResDam(34), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(34)
Level 1: Nimble Slash -- SMotTanker-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), SMotTanker-Acc/Dmg(11), SMotTanker-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), SMotTanker-Dmg/Rchg(15), SMotTanker-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), SMotTanker-Rchg/Res%(27)
Level 2: Healing Flames -- Dct'dW-Rchg(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal(9)
Level 4: Ablating Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(13), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(15), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(25)
Level 6: Blazing Aura -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(7), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(42), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(43)
Level 8: Consume -- Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(A), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(46), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(46)
Level 10: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(48), Mocking-Taunt(50), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(50), Mocking-Rchg(50)
Level 12: Plasma Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(37), RctvArm-ResDam(39), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(40)
Level 14: Combat Jumping -- Krma-ResKB(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(46)
Level 16: Super Jump -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 18: Burn -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(19), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(23), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(23), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(25)
Level 20: Blinding Feint -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(21), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 22: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GA-3defTpProc(39), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(39), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(40), RctvArm-ResDam(48), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(48)
Level 26: Fiery Embrace -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(27)
Level 28: Vengeful Slice -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(31), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 30: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(43), RedFtn-Def(43), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(45), RedFtn-EndRdx(45), LkGmblr-Rchg+(45)
Level 32: Rise of the Phoenix -- OvForce-Dam/KB(A)
Level 35: Sweeping Strike -- Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(36), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg(36), C'ngBlow-Dmg/Rchg(37), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(37)
Level 38: Focused Accuracy -- Rec'dRet-Pcptn(A)
Level 41: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(42)
Level 44: Stealth -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Grant Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- HO:Nucle(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(42)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(5), EndMod-I(5)
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 6% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 6% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 6% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 6% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 6% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 6% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 6% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 6% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 23.5% Defense(Smashing)
- 23.5% Defense(Lethal)
- 9.13% Defense(Fire)
- 9.13% Defense(Cold)
- 21.63% Defense(Energy)
- 21.63% Defense(Negative)
- 6% Defense(Psionic)
- 14.75% Defense(Melee)
- 13.81% Defense(Ranged)
- 7.56% Defense(AoE)
- 7.2% Max End
- 57.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 4% Enhancement(Heal)
- 10% SpeedFlying
- 161.6 HP (8.63%) HitPoints
- 10% JumpHeight
- 10% SpeedJumping
- Knockback (Mag -4)
- Knockup (Mag -4)
- MezResist(Held) 2.75%
- MezResist(Immobilized) 23.65%
- MezResist(Sleep) 1.65%
- MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
- 20% PerceptionRadius
- 2% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
- 20% ResEffect(SpeedFlying)
- 20% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
- 20% ResEffect(SpeedRunning)
- 2.52% Resistance(Smashing)
- 2.52% Resistance(Lethal)
- 3.47% Resistance(Fire)
- 3.47% Resistance(Cold)
- 2.52% Resistance(Toxic)
- 2.52% Resistance(Psionic)
- 10% SpeedRunning
"I'm flying free with my beautiful butterfly wings!" ~ Randy Marsh
A few points.
1) It's illustrative to set your base Accuracy in Mids to 39%, which is what it's at when you're fighting +4s. Your overall accuracy is a little low; I would recommend chasing another +acc set bonus and using a Kismet. You caaaaaannn get away with what you have, but it's below my comfort level -- all those wasted swings and aura ticks!
2) Fiery Aura benefits enormously from +Recharge simply because of Healing Flames, and Consume, Burn, and Fiery Embrace (if you take it, perfectly acceptable to skip on a tank -- although FA/DB seems more Brutey than Tanky to me) all benefit from it as well. Hasten functions as a mitigation power for this set.
3) MaxHP is always worth it on a tank. (It's almost always worth it on any character, especially melee.) You break up set bonuses, New Dawn, that would be extremely beneficial to your character in order to slot slightly better single enhancements, but you're running into ED anyway -- especially if you are willing to consider using enhancement boosters (you can get them dirt cheap if you wait for a sale and I assume you get a VIP stipend anyway). With just a few tweaks I was able to work out significantly better healing and regeneration.
4) You may have explained this in the thread and I missed it, but is there a particular reason you're using level 40 IOs rather than level 50 ones?
Perhaps I will just go with tier 4 Barrier and forget about this 'problem' entirely?
I like the challenge of problem builds! So pardon me for throwing my hat into the ring here...
What I've seen over the years in most "problem" builds is people taking too many attacks. "But attacks are what let us defeat things! More is better, right?!" In theory... We have finite slots and finite power choices, though, so it's a delicate dance of both your primary and secondary roles. Everything comes with a price, and attack-heavy builds usually faceplant in the defensive department. |
However, I do take your meaning, in this case. Dual Blades does have a Lot of attacks, I would say Two more than it needs. If we take a point from New Dawn, I'd have to say the 1K Cuts is, indeed, the candidate most likely to be missed the least. On a straight Damage basis, it's a winner, but when you factor Damage/Animation, Damage/Second, or even Damage/Endurance, it's purely average at best. That takes out the Sweep combination and leaves Power Slice sitting all alone with nothing to do.
Yes, PS is a Good attack and using it to 'break' combos and reset the counter is very useful, in a high recharge setting. But, of all of the attacks in Dual Blades, it is the Easiest to go without (except at Low levels, when you really need it to build an attack-chain). That just means I need to load my second build with a good Exemplaring build - perhaps one of my earlier ones.
The trick is how much offense can you sacrifice to give yourself near 90% in BOTH offense and defense. If you can get a high level in both (though neither is maxed) you can do 99% of the game easily. |
Even the excellent build you posted, with everything sacrificed to Defense, can't get out of the 30s. Grey Pilgrim's 'Defensive Fire' build only gets 20% Defense. Long ago, before Inherent Fitness, I faced a similar issue with my L50 SS/FA Brute and the advice I was given was 'Kill Faster, power-through on Healing Flames'. In other words, don't try to avoid damage, accept it and move on.
A few points.
1) It's illustrative to set your base Accuracy in Mids to 39%, which is what it's at when you're fighting +4s. Your overall accuracy is a little low; I would recommend chasing another +acc set bonus and using a Kismet. You caaaaaannn get away with what you have, but it's below my comfort level -- all those wasted swings and aura ticks! |
2) Fiery Aura benefits enormously from +Recharge simply because of Healing Flames, and Consume, Burn, and Fiery Embrace (if you take it, perfectly acceptable to skip on a tank -- although FA/DB seems more Brutey than Tanky to me) all benefit from it as well. Hasten functions as a mitigation power for this set. |
3) MaxHP is always worth it on a tank. (It's almost always worth it on any character, especially melee.) You break up set bonuses, New Dawn, that would be extremely beneficial to your character in order to slot slightly better single enhancements, but you're running into ED anyway -- especially if you are willing to consider using enhancement boosters (you can get them dirt cheap if you wait for a sale and I assume you get a VIP stipend anyway). With just a few tweaks I was able to work out significantly better healing and regeneration. |
4) You may have explained this in the thread and I missed it, but is there a particular reason you're using level 40 IOs rather than level 50 ones? |
Despite this thread and my general frustration with trying to come to terms with being a 'squishy Tanker', not being obsessed with damage mitigation, accepting it, and Healing it, has become the foundation of my approach to Fiery Aura. I think, with the Endurance issue addressed by my latest build, that I will consider Blood Python's theory and may, indeed, drop the Sweep combo. Frankly, in my latest gaming, I have Yet to get it to Work! Perhaps I should look at changing my trays a little, so as to Make it work a few times, before I get rid of it.
On a related note: Any suggestions for which Alpha I should build?
Be Well!
Fireheart
You know, I really didn't expect you to mock me.
Perhaps I will just go with tier 4 Barrier and forget about this 'problem' entirely? |
You're moving to the beat of your own drum. Good.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
In which build, Jack? In my builds, I'm running around 150%+ Accuracy, so if you strip away 40% I'm still over 100%.
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Which power/sets would you change, to get more... stuff? So far, I'm mostly getting people posting completely different builds, rather than helping me tweak my own (And explaining Why a given adjustment is actually better). |
Perhaps I should look at changing my trays a little, so as to Make it work a few times, before I get rid of it. |
On a related note: Any suggestions for which Alpha I should build? |
You should wade in, tank the alpha, pop your heal, then and then burn down the forest.
I trained up, based on the posted build and then slotted out with SOs because I don't have the IOs yet. Perhaps I was worrying about the wrong things? I'll have to test this out a bit, with the Difficulty slider going up and down.
Be Well!
Fireheart