PPM Procs on Trip Mine... what am I not seeing here?
The only additional thought I have is it is an AoE effect, maybe that's what's messing with you as my understanding is the chance on AoE's works a bit differently than ST attacks. Still after multiple attempts without seeing any evidence of proc's going off ...
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proccing on trip mine could be broken like it is with seeker drones ie doesn't happen. Does trip mine seem to proc whatever you slotted for interface?
So Trip Mine, Seeker Drones, and Omega Maneuver don't work with procs. The common denominator here is that they all Self Destruct/SilentKill immediately when triggering their power.
If I had to guess, the reason procs aren't working is because the proc chance calculation comes in to play slightly after the SilentKill portion on the caster so it just never calculates, well because the caster is dead. The reason Poison Trap DOES work with procs is because the power summons a second PseudoPet called Poison Gas and if you look at the numbers on that, the SilentKill has a 30 second delay. So essentially "Poison Gas" lingers around for a bit and during that time it applies any proc chances. http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/power...aps_Poison_Gas
It sounds to me like the fix on this would be to make Trip, Seeker, Omega, and I'm guessing Time Bomb work with procs is to add a small delay (1 sec?) to the SilentKill aspect and that should allow proc calculations to trigger.
Currently on Virtue:
Jinrazuo - Crab Spider
RWZ All-Pylon Solo Run
So Trip Mine, Seeker Drones, and Omega Maneuver don't work with procs. The common denominator here is that they all Self Destruct/SilentKill immediately when triggering their power.
If I had to guess, the reason procs aren't working is because the proc chance calculation comes in to play slightly after the SilentKill portion on the caster so it just never calculates, well because the caster is dead. The reason Poison Trap DOES work with procs is because the power summons a second PseudoPet called Poison Gas and if you look at the numbers on that, the SilentKill has a 30 second delay. So essentially "Poison Gas" lingers around for a bit and during that time it applies any proc chances. http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/power...aps_Poison_Gas It sounds to me like the fix on this would be to make Trip, Seeker, Omega, and I'm guessing Time Bomb work with procs is to add a small delay (1 sec?) to the SilentKill aspect and that should allow proc calculations to trigger. |
So I dusted off an old DP/Dev blaster to see if trip mines became much more viable with PPM procs. Being a pseudo-pet, it's my understanding that recharge number being used in the PPM formula is based off the pet's individual attack recharge and not the recharge on the pet itself. In this case, not the 20 sec recharge on Trip Mine, but rather the 1000 second recharge on Trip Mine's only attack. So a 1000 second recharge, even with a 16 target AoE at 12 ft sound like a 100% proc chance... however, that's not what I'm seeing and I'm not sure why.
When Trip Mine goes off I see two orange numbers above the enemies, the lethal and fire damage. Occasionally I see a third number, but I BELIEVE this is 50% chance of additional lethal damage in the power.
I tried setting up the combat log to show damage and pet damage inflicted but Trip Mine is not showing any info there... I'm assuming because it's a pseudo-pet it's just weird like that. My thought was that maybe the proc damage was applying but for some reason it just wasn't displaying, but I'm not too sure about that.
I've heard mention of people proc'ing up Trip Mine in the past, but that was before the days of PPM so I'm wondering what exactly it is that I'm not seeing here.
Anyone?
Edit: I ended up 4 proc'ing Trip Mine with standard IOs and kept toe bombing the same LT over and over and not once did I see a proc go off... either I'm extremely unlucky that 4 procs never went off after about 10 applications, or something is weird here. Does anyone know if procs for sure work on Trip Mine and have you tried it recently?
Edit 2: From more researching of older threads regarding Procs and Mines, I've come to the conclusion that it just doesn't work at all for some reason. I was never able to get procs to work on my Crab's Omega Maneuver so I'm guessing this is the same situation. Those people who sing the praises of procs on Mines are either seriously trollin' or under some major placebo effect.
Currently on Virtue:
Jinrazuo - Crab Spider
RWZ All-Pylon Solo Run