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I revel in the irony of Dark (Miasma/Affinity) being better at Control on Defenders(less so Corruptors/MMs) and better at Support on Controllers.|
Originally Posted by theduke24
The Dark Affinity set seems like it'd be a little better than Dark Miasma. I understand putting Fade in there because Fearsome stare isnt there, but im sad that cors and fenders dont get Soul Absorption
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*potentially. Unknown numbers/specifics and all that jazz.
@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too
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According to Von Krieger's write-up of today's talk, yes it keeps Dark Servant.|
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Since he said that only the two powers from Dark Miasma were taken replaced, I am assuming that Dark Servant is still in there.
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Originally Posted by Von Krieger
Fluffy will be staying in Darkness Affinity as the Tier 9.
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Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
Seriously...this Issue...I must have it NAO!
I'm still enjoying the crap out of my Dark/Dark Blaster though.
[QUOTE=Oathbound;4009216]I revel in the irony of Dark (Miasma/Affinity) being better at Control on Defenders(less so Corruptors/MMs) and better at Support on Controllers.
This is true, but only done so to remove the control redundancies a /dark controller would have. Giveing a controller yet another ST hold and a soft control would just mean that many wouldn't even use them.
Malakim
-Playing since COH beta and still love the game!
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Eh. There are already several support sets with "redundant" control options, and none of them got changed.|
Originally Posted by Malakim
This is true, but only done so to remove the control redundancies a /dark controller would have. Giveing a controller yet another ST hold and a soft control would just mean that many wouldn't even use them.
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Yes, Petrifying Gaze would be of minimal use, but so what? There are several powers Controllers have access to that are. Trick Arrow gets a single target immobilize and a single target hold. Dark STILL has Black Hole, the single most skipped/hated power in the set. If you gave peopel the option to chose from Petrifying Gaze and Black Hole I'm certain the vast majority would pick the former.
Fearsome Stare wouldn't have been redundant at all. Even if you didn't need the Fear, you could still use it for the -tohit.
This is of course irrelevant, given that the changes are already essentially set in stone, though.
@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too
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Given recent betas, this is probably, sadly true. At least we'll still get Spooky though I wonder if it will still be possible to have him out full time.
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
This is of course irrelevant, given that the changes are already essentially set in stone, though.
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Well they did change things up a bit with TW...which actually shocked me.
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Originally Posted by ketch
Given recent betas, this is probably, sadly true. At least we'll still get Spooky though I wonder if it will still be possible to have him out full time.
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I really expect him to get the Mastermind treatment. Still 240s duration, but with a 500second recharge. Not perma base, not even perma with SOs, but Perma-able.|
Originally Posted by ketch
Given recent betas, this is probably, sadly true. At least we'll still get Spooky though I wonder if it will still be possible to have him out full time.
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Originally Posted by Tater Todd
Well they did change things up a bit with TW...which actually shocked me.
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I really hope Fade isn't a spikey as I think it's going to be. I really don't like the "Peaks and Valleys" style powers. Hopefully it's perma-able, even if it's hard to do so.
@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too
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Yes it would, since Dark Control is getting Fearsome Stare. If Dark Control and Dark Affinity both had Fearsome Stare the stacked fear and -tohit would have been ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
Fearsome Stare wouldn't have been redundant at all.
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Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
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The solution to that would simply have been to not give the old power to the new set.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Yes it would, since Dark Control is getting Fearsome Stare. If Dark Control and Dark Affinity both had Fearsome Stare the stacked fear and -tohit would have been ridiculous.
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@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too
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It does however make sense to put a control power in a control set.
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
The solution to that would simply have been to not give the old power to the new set.
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Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
And you still have mind control and terrorize to contend with.
@Mental Maden @Maden Mental
"....you are now tackle free for life."-ShoNuff
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And Illusion with Spectral Terror.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
And you still have mind control and terrorize to contend with.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
And you still have mind control and terrorize to contend with.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
And Illusion with Spectral Terror.
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Storm, Time, Trick Arrow, Radiation, and Poison, all have mez powers of varying type and size that can be stacked with the Control primaries. I'm not saying Fearsome Stare wouldn't have needed a reduction in it's control capability, I'm just saying it DIDN'T need removed. Power level could have been reduced by lowering the magnitude (to 2mag, like Thunder Clap is) and/or upping the recharge.
Hell Darkness Affinity will STILL have an AoE control that can be stacked with power from the primary... and it's autohit with a massive debuff ta boot. (It's balancing factor is recharge, but that could have been used as a balancing factor for FS too.)
@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too
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You mean turn it into a power that people often recommend skipping, like they do Thunder Clap? No thanks. Better a power that's good on its own than one that requires stacking.
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
I'm not saying Fearsome Stare wouldn't have needed a reduction in it's control capability, I'm just saying it DIDN'T need removed. Power level could have been reduced by lowering the magnitude (to 2mag, like Thunder Clap is) and/or upping the recharge.
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Thunderclap is a PBAoE stun with a long casting time and no other effects whatsoever. Fearsome Stare is a long ranged cone and even if it were a Mag2 would still have a huge tohit debuff.|
Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
You mean turn it into a power that people often recommend skipping, like they do Thunder Clap? No thanks. Better a power that's good on its own than one that requires stacking.
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Thunderclap is skippable because it exposes you to direct danger to use and has no practical effect on NPCs it can't directly mez. Fearsome Stare is safer because it doesn't expose you to melee attack and would still mitigate damage even on higher ranked foes that it doesn't directly control, because they have a reduced chance to hit you.
Apples and Oranges.
Thunderclap was an example of allowed stacking in Controller primary/secondary. Nothing more.
@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too
The Dark Affinity set seems like it'd be a little better than Dark Miasma. I understand putting Fade in there because Fearsome stare isnt there, but im sad that cors and fenders dont get Soul Absorption
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