Thugs: Which pet to put Soulbound Allegiance Chance for Buildup?
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Dacu,
Posted on: 2011-09-03 20:47 in Masterminds
I placed mines in the Enforcers. It works very well for me.
arsonist. and feed him ur reds. boom spawn cleared.
It's almost always a good idea to put it in either the minnion pets or the LT pets (more pets, more chances for the proc to fire)
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
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I'm not sure that's true. When the proc hits, it only affects that one pet, and not the entire tier of pets. So, I think the best place to put it is probably the group of pets that do the most damage. Another thing to consider might be how sturdy the pets are. For example, with the Ninja primary, you may spend a lot of time with only 1 or two Genin, so even though they do the most damage, Jounin may be a better place for it.|
Originally Posted by _Pine_
It's almost always a good idea to put it in either the minnion pets or the LT pets (more pets, more chances for the proc to fire)
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For example, Necro would certainly want it in the Grave Knights, while Bots may want it in the Assault Bot. And Mercs may want it in Commando over the first two tiers since they don't do a whole lot of damage.
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I wholly agree with this. I have a Necro/Dark MM with a full Soulbound Allegiance set in the Grave Knights, they're the highest damage in the set and do wonderfully with it. And with Bots it would be wasted on Drones, since they do little damage total compared to the AoE monster that is the Assault Bot, and double-wasted on Protector Bots. However, Thugs are almost pure damage, the only support coming from Leadership on the Enforcers... Which doesn't cut back on their attack output. And while the Arsonist is a good damage dealer, he's also very likely to die, over and over and over. Time resummoning your Arsonist is time he's not hurting people. Also, he's paired up with the lowly Thugs, sporting little beyond their cool bandannas. With two single target attacks and one AoE, they're unimposing. The Bruiser is very strong, but also mostly supports single-target attacks, save Foot Stomp. However, I don't know if that's enough to disavow him from Build Up goodness... Strong is strong, after all. And being single-target focused didn't stop me from slotting it into my Knights. I'd put it as a toss-up between the AoE DoT of Enforcers, or the raw ST damage of the Bruiser.|
Originally Posted by Wyatt_Earp
I'm not sure that's true. When the proc hits, it only affects that one pet, and not the entire tier of pets. So, I think the best place to put it is probably the group of pets that do the most damage. Another thing to consider might be how sturdy the pets are. For example, with the Ninja primary, you may spend a lot of time with only 1 or two Genin, so even though they do the most damage, Jounin may be a better place for it.
For example, Necro would certainly want it in the Grave Knights, while Bots may want it in the Assault Bot. And Mercs may want it in Commando over the first two tiers since they don't do a whole lot of damage. |
But I gotta say, Build Up and Foot Stomp sound sweet.
My SA:BU proc is slotted (along with the Damage and Damage/Endurance IO's in that set) in my lowest-tier pets for a few reasons:
1. Enforcers already have too many demands on their slotting. The Achilles proc is a given for them, able to activate on all but one of their attacks (Blast Clip). After that, they need at least one Defense Buff IO for any set that isn't /FF or /Traps (or soon, /Time). Just not enough room for another proc IO without sacrificing accuracy or damage or skimping on endurance reduction.
2. The Bruiser is primarily single-target and has a non-damaging attack (Hand Clap) in his ability list. The buff from the SA:BU proc only lasts just over 5 seconds, so if the Bruiser uses Hand Clap after receiving the buff, he's very unlikely to benefit in any way from its effect. I use the same justification on my Demons/Thermal MM for not slotting it in the Demon Prince: he spends a large portion of his time applying a non-damaging hold and slow effect. Even if the Bruiser doesn't waste the buff on Hand Clap, he's most likely to proc it with Foot Stomp and then use it on a single-target attack. He doesn't have two damaging AoE's to feed each other procs.
3. The Arsonist, at least from my casual observation, tends to very frequently use Molotov Cocktail before his Fire Bomb (the one that creates burn patches). Again, I can't be sure that this observation is anything more than the result of cognitive bias on my part, but if it's true, that means the Arsonist is very likely to proc the build-up effect right before he sets a group on fire.
4. Okay, this one is cheating because it's not a general case for Thugs/ but is dependent on the secondary. I give my Arsonist pet Painbringer on my Thugs/Pain during AoE clears both for the damage boost and the absurd amount of regen it grants him along with Suppress Pain (over 1600% from the two combined on an IO'd /Pain MM with T4 Spiritual Alpha), and softcapped defenses. He really doesn't die that much at all. I can't say the same for his enemies...
50 Bots/Traps MM, 50 Thugs/Pain MM, 50 Demons/Thermal MM
*Stuck in a single-AT rut since 2006*
Got the Soulbound Allegiance chance for build up proc, and browsing through the fourms and can't decide which pet to put it on. Bruiser is my highest damage pet but thugs and enforcers seem to have more AOE attacks. Arsonist especially always seems to be doing his fire attack so that should give more chances to proc I'm assuming.
Suggestions?