Well here is what I did. Ignore the other purple sets I was just messing around
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No Explosive Strike proc on big bot?
-MT
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Meh its smashing damage the only other damage more resisted is lethal. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
On top of that it would only have a chance to go off on the attacks with KB.
Right?
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which includes atleast 1 aoe
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Originally Posted by Bronze Knight
Meh its smashing damage the only other damage more resisted is lethal. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
On top of that it would only have a chance to go off on the attacks with KB. Right? |
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Good question, but I think the fact that it is from a KB set only means it can be slotted since big bot accepts KB sets, not that it only affects KB powers. Meaning, I think it works for every attack, and the big bot has 3 AoE attacks, so anything being hit by the AoE has a 20% chance to proc. |
Originally Posted by Bronze Knight
Meh its smashing damage the only other damage more resisted is lethal. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
On top of that it would only have a chance to go off on the attacks with KB. Right? |
Best,
MT
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Accoring to MZ's guide they only have a chance of proccing on KB flagged attacks. Kind of like how the endurance reduction from pet sets only effects attack powers, not heals or defensive powers if it was every attack it would make more sense in the tier 1s instead
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Originally Posted by Master_Templar
Good question, but I think the fact that it is from a KB set only means it can be slotted since big bot accepts KB sets, not that it only affects KB powers. Meaning, I think it works for every attack, and the big bot has 3 AoE attacks, so anything being hit by the AoE has a 20% chance to proc.
Best, MT |
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You're referring to the "Modern Mastermind Guide 4.0" right? I've read that guide a few times, it is very useful. However I just went back to it and I can't find that statement about the proc. Can you point me in the right direction? Although if MZ said it, I will trust it to be true.|
Originally Posted by Cheetatron
Accoring to MZ's guide they only have a chance of proccing on KB flagged attacks. Kind of like how the endurance reduction from pet sets only effects attack powers, not heals or defensive powers if it was every attack it would make more sense in the tier 1s instead
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Valid argument, similar to how recharge only affects the power itself, not the bots' recharge on the actual attacks.
MT
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Thanks for the discussion.
Do endurance and recharge effect the pets's attacks / buffs, the summoning of the pets, or both?
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Endurance affects both. Recharge only affects the summoning power.
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Originally Posted by Kinetoa
Do endurance and recharge effect the pets's attacks / buffs, the summoning of the pets, or both?
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Thanks.
Has anyone found that any of the bots run into END issues and lose DPS waiting on recovery?
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Protector Bots tend to run low. I never noticed any problems with the other bot types though.
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Originally Posted by Kinetoa
Has anyone found that any of the bots run into END issues and lose DPS waiting on recovery?
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Agreed. One IO worth of END redux seems to be enough. I used 3x DMG, 1x ACC, 1x END redux, 1x DEF buff for a long time on my ProtBots before I moved to IO sets and never noticed a problem.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Protector Bots tend to run low. I never noticed any problems with the other bot types though.
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MT
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I don't recall when the last time I saw that was to be honest let me see if I can dig it up I think I posted in that thread I'm pretty sure it was MZ who posted the thread about pets and procs though he may have just referred me to it give me a bit
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Originally Posted by Master_Templar
You're referring to the "Modern Mastermind Guide 4.0" right? I've read that guide a few times, it is very useful. However I just went back to it and I can't find that statement about the proc. Can you point me in the right direction? Although if MZ said it, I will trust it to be true.
Valid argument, similar to how recharge only affects the power itself, not the bots' recharge on the actual attacks. MT |
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Originally Posted by Kinetoa
Thanks.
Has anyone found that any of the bots run into END issues and lose DPS waiting on recovery? |
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Protector Bots tend to run low. I never noticed any problems with the other bot types though.
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Originally Posted by Master_Templar
You're referring to the "Modern Mastermind Guide 4.0" right? I've read that guide a few times, it is very useful. However I just went back to it and I can't find that statement about the proc. Can you point me in the right direction? Although if MZ said it, I will trust it to be true.
Valid argument, similar to how recharge only affects the power itself, not the bots' recharge on the actual attacks. MT |
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Originally Posted by Cheetatron
I don't recall when the last time I saw that was to be honest let me see if I can dig it up I think I posted in that thread I'm pretty sure it was MZ who posted the thread about pets and procs though he may have just referred me to it give me a bit
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I fiddled with the Protector Bots, but I keep coming back to the simple 4 x BM + 2 x Def IO for
Acc 53
Dam 91
Def 49
End 53
Which seems pretty balanced.
Based on the proc thread, for AB, you can do IO - Dam, Nucleous, Nucleous, SA: Build up, Explosive Strike: Chance for Smashing, Sovereign Right: Resistance and get
ACC 66.6
DAM 96
With a build up proc, a damage proc and the resistance aura.
Any thoughts on that?
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Dmg proc is only worthwhile in assault bot and only after your dmg slotted enough to be held back by ED I'd share my build but it's purpled out in places, assumes Musc Alpha and has 2 of the most expensive HOs in it
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Originally Posted by Kinetoa
I fiddled with the Protector Bots, but I keep coming back to the simple 4 x BM + 2 x Def IO for
Acc 53 Dam 91 Def 49 End 53 Which seems pretty balanced. Based on the proc thread, for AB, you can do IO - Dam, Nucleous, Nucleous, SA: Build up, Explosive Strike: Chance for Smashing, Sovereign Right: Resistance and get ACC 66.6 DAM 96 With a build up proc, a damage proc and the resistance aura. Any thoughts on that? |
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The 2nd slotting was for the Assault Bot, "AB" for short, should have spelled it out... and at 96% that is hitting ED for Damage.
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Originally Posted by Cheetatron
Dmg proc is only worthwhile in assault bot and only after your dmg slotted enough to be held back by ED I'd share my build but it's purpled out in places, assumes Musc Alpha and has 2 of the most expensive HOs in it
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Originally Posted by Cheetatron
Dmg proc is only worthwhile in assault bot and only after your dmg slotted enough to be held back by ED I'd share my build but it's purpled out in places, assumes Musc Alpha and has 2 of the most expensive HOs in it
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By all means share it.
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Originally Posted by Kinetoa
The 2nd slotting was for the Assault Bot, "AB" for short, should have spelled it out... and at 96% that is hitting ED for Damage.
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Originally Posted by Bronze Knight
By all means share it.
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Level 1: Battle Drones
- (A) Sovereign Right - Resistance Bonus
- (3) Blood Mandate - Damage
- (3) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
- (5) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
- (7) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO
- (A) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
- (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
- (9) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance
- (11) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge
- (11) Doctored Wounds - Recharge
- (13) Doctored Wounds - Heal
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (13) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (15) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff
- (15) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
- (17) Shield Breaker - Chance for Lethal Damage
- (17) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (19) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage
- (19) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
- (A) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage
- (21) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (21) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Recharge
- (23) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure
- (23) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure
- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
- (27) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (27) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (29) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance
- (31) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge
- (31) Doctored Wounds - Heal
- (33) Doctored Wounds - Recharge
- (33) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
- (A) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Recharge
- (33) Unbreakable Constraint - Hold/Recharge
- (34) Unbreakable Constraint - Accuracy/Hold/Recharge
- (34) Lockdown - Chance for +2 Mag Hold
- (34) Unbreakable Constraint - Endurance/Hold
- (36) Unbreakable Constraint - Chance for Smashing Damage
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
- (A) Soulbound Allegiance - Chance for Build Up
- (36) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Endurance
- (36) Explosive Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage
- (37) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Recharge
- (37) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (37) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Endurance
- (A) Siphon Insight - ToHit Debuff
- (39) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/ToHit Debuff
- (39) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/Recharge
- (39) Siphon Insight - ToHit Debuff/Endurance/Recharge
- (40) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
- (40) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (40) Jaunt - Endurance/Range
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO
- (A) Perfect Zinger - Chance for Psi Damage
- (42) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Recharge
- (42) Perfect Zinger - Taunt/Recharge/Range
- (42) Perfect Zinger - Taunt
- (A) Miracle - Heal/Recharge
- (43) Miracle - Heal/Endurance
- (43) Miracle - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist
- (43) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
- (45) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (45) Gladiator's Armor - End/Resist
- (45) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance
- (46) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance
- (A) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold
- (46) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Recharge
- (46) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
- (48) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge
- (48) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance
- (A) Gladiator's Net - Accuracy/Recharge
- (48) Gladiator's Net - Recharge/Hold
- (50) Gladiator's Net - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
- (50) Gladiator's Net - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold
- (50) Gladiator's Net - Accuracy/Hold
- (A) Perfect Zinger - Chance for Psi Damage
Level 0: Call to Justice
Level 50: Reactive Partial Radial Conversion
Level 50: Warworks Total Core Improved Ally
Level 50: Void Radial Final Judgement
Level 50: Barrier Core Epiphany
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Level 1: Brawl
- (A) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (7) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (9) Gladiator's Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage
- (A) Run Speed IO
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift
- (A) Run Speed IO
- (A) Jumping IO
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (A) Endurance Modification IO
I'm at work right now so I'm not 100% sure this is exactly what my final build is but it looks like it is, with protbot bubbles I'm at 40% def to all positions and with perma barrier core Epiphany I hit the soft cap for the duration of the buff
edit: performace shifter unique in place of endurance mod IO in stamina
Ok, so you take both uniques into the battle drones, which makes some sense as they are less important, but as I stated earlier, I don't like the thought of losing that nice 3.75% to AOE from BM 5pc, *but* maybe its worth it.
Your Assault Bolt slotting is
47 ACC
85 DAM
79 END
vs mine
66 AC
96 DAM
- Both have the build up and smashing procs.
- Yours has Lower ACC, slightly lower dam, but END, which mine didn't have at all.
- I have the Resistance aura in Assault Bot, allowing me to have 5 PC BM set bonus in Drones.
Does the Assault Bot ever have end issues? That seems to be the rub.
I do really like your Protector Bot slotting, especially as you do it with 5 slots, freeing up a precious slot!
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Originally Posted by Kinetoa
Ok, so you take both uniques into the battle drones, which makes some sense as they are less important, but as I stated earlier, I don't like the thought of losing that nice 3.75% to AOE from BM 5pc, *but* maybe its worth it.
Your Assault Bolt slotting is 47 ACC 85 DAM 79 END vs mine 66 AC 96 DAM - Both have the build up and smashing procs. - Yours has Lower ACC, slightly lower dam, but END, which mine didn't have at all. - I have the Resistance aura in Assault Bot, allowing me to have 5 PC BM set bonus in Drones. Does the Assault Bot ever have end issues? That seems to be the rub. I do really like your Protector Bot slotting, especially as you do it with 5 slots, freeing up a precious slot! |
-Musc Alpha boosting dmg over ED caps without too much loss
-Lvl shifts improving acc
-Tohit bonus from supremacy and tactics (over 20% tohit bonus)
As for the END slotting in assault bot it is a side effect of slotting the entire VR pet set for the best set bonuses and then needing two other ios to get acc and dmg at a respectable place It wasn't a goal of mine to slot for endurance but it kinda happened anyways lol
The only time I saw end being a problem for the assbot was when I was soloing Hequat so I don't think you need to worry about it
Thanks, I didn't even think about incarnate stuff or the nice purple bonuses. I have been focused on working over this bot slotting OCD style!
I have never experienced a problem with big bot running out of endurance, I wouldn't worry about it personally.
MT
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"This here's my demon face. You see I'm Satan's onion...s-scallion.. 'Minion?' no, not that."
So, I am fine tuning my build, and I can't quite get a feel for "perfect" bot slotting. I think I have something reasonable, but would like some sage advice on tweaking it.
When I saw the prices, I was gung ho to get the purple set for the Assault Bot, but I don't like how the numbers actually look vs. frankenslotting.
Some reasonable ground rules are (unless I am missing something and correct me if I am making an error in reasoning)
- Have to get the 5% pet def unique in a pet somewhere
- Have to get the 10% pet res unique in a pet somewhere
- At worst, get the purple chance for build up in the AB
- I would like to get to ED for Def in protector bots to cap my mid 30's positional defs
- Optimal Accuracy and Damage for each pet given the other parameters
Right now, I have this:
Level 1: Battle Drones
Level 12: Protector Bots
Level 26: Assault Bot
This gives
BD - 91% Acc, 91% Dam
PB - 53% Acc, 91% Dam, 49% Def (which should give 11.175% bubbles)
AB - 95% Acc, 95% Dam, Chance of Build Up
And also includes the 5% def and 10% res.
- I don't know if I have overdone it on Acc, but my thought was that I wanted max chance for the bots to hit on higher level foes as they are my lifeblood damage wise.
- To fit more in AB, I could move the 10% res to BD alongside the 5% def i, but then I lose the very nice 5 pc 3.75% bump to AOE defense from Blood Mandate.
Any tweaks or ideas would be appreciated!
Thanks!