Some Questions about ILL/Storm


Local_Man

 

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I've recently been blasting through the levels on my Illusion/Storm controller, and having a blast, both solo and on Teams. My main (team oriented) build has a definite direction in mind, and I know for the most part what I'm doing, when to cut loose, and how not to ruin your team's day.

But, I'm left with some questions.

Tornado : I've heard of people using this as a source of damage. However, I begin to think that those people must be using it as an AOE power, with -Knockback controls like Fire and Stone cages, where I could see it's DOT being a much bigger contributor than it is for me, as it pushes a boss into the wall slowly ticking away at his HP. I take it I shouldn't be slotting this up as a damage work horse in this build?

Waterspout : This is a power I've never seen in action. It's apparently wildly popular, which puzzles me since Tornado, its closest analogue, is maligned and derided. If I'm taking this power to have "Yet another version of tornado's particular 'brand' of control contribution", will I be satisfied with what I got?

Spectral Terror : How does the Terrorize aura on this work? The 20 foot radius one that keeps most things in place. Does it pulse frequently? How frequently? Or does it just fire once when the power is first summoned?

Thank you very much for your time, and have a good day.


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Originally Posted by Teeto_K View Post
I've recently been blasting through the levels on my Illusion/Storm controller, and having a blast, both solo and on Teams. My main (team oriented) build has a definite direction in mind, and I know for the most part what I'm doing, when to cut loose, and how not to ruin your team's day.

But, I'm left with some questions.

Tornado : I've heard of people using this as a source of damage. However, I begin to think that those people must be using it as an AOE power, with -Knockback controls like Fire and Stone cages, where I could see it's DOT being a much bigger contributor than it is for me, as it pushes a boss into the wall slowly ticking away at his HP. I take it I shouldn't be slotting this up as a damage work horse in this build?
Since Illusion does not have a -knockback power, Tornado is a more situational power than with most other controllers. It is still useful (a) against foes that cannot be knocked back like many AVs; (b) against high defense foes like Paragon Protectors who have hit their MOG power because Tornado is Auto-hit; (c) as a "panic button" power and source of chaos when things get out of hand or when you are likely to get mezzed; (d) as part of the "corner of doom" strategy, where you use Hurricane to push foes into a corner or cul-de-sac or small room with a doorway and let loose with Tornado and Lightning Storm and PA and Phantasm.

However, using Tornado in most other times will be frustrating to your teammates. I was recently on an ITF with an Earth/Storm who was leading off with Tornado to throw everything everywhere, and then immobilizing them all spread out. It substantially slowed us down because several of us had good AoE Damage powers. (I was on my Elec/Shield scrapper.) Unfortunately, this guy was the team leader. We completed the TF, but it took a lot longer.

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Waterspout
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: This is a power I've never seen in action. It's apparently wildly popular, which puzzles me since Tornado, its closest analogue, is maligned and derided. If I'm taking this power to have "Yet another version of tornado's particular 'brand' of control contribution", will I be satisfied with what I got?
Can't help you as I haven't tried it. I prefer the fast-recharging single target blasts from the hero APPs for Illusion. My Ill/Storm uses Ice.

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Spectral Terror
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: How does the Terrorize aura on this work? The 20 foot radius one that keeps most things in place. Does it pulse frequently? How frequently? Or does it just fire once when the power is first summoned?

Thank you very much for your time, and have a good day.
Take a look at my Illusion/Radiation guide, as Spectral Terror is covered in there. Click the link in my sig.


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Hey, actually, I had read your guide, looking for the answer to the spectral terror question. It appears I missed it on my first pass, caught it this time though.

Pulsing every 6 seconds means it'll fire at the 42 second mark, so duration slotting will mean it gets to go "past permanent" by a fair bit, which will be nice.

Thanks.

I've actually come up with a new question, and figured I'd recycle my thread, since I already have one:

Procs and Thunderstorm. Namely, The "Chance for 100% +Recharge", and "Chance for Buildup" procs that can be slotted in it. Does it benefit itself with these when it casts it's thunderbolt power, or is it only a benefit to me when -I- cast the Thunderstorm?


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Procs and Thunderstorm. Namely, The "Chance for 100% +Recharge", and "Chance for Buildup" procs that can be slotted in it. Does it benefit itself with these when it casts it's thunderbolt power, or is it only a benefit to me when -I- cast the Thunderstorm?
The Force Feedback Chance for Recharge proc would be wasted, I believe. The Recharge would be cast on the Lightning Storm pseudopet . . . which cannot be affected by Recharge. I don't think the Recharge buff would get back to you.

The Decimation Chance for Build Up may work in Lightning Storm, but it is best used in a fast activating, fast recharging attack power. The Decimation set is great in Spectral Wounds because 5 give you a 6.25% Recharge. You can slot the proc, and then finish out the set with a 6th slot. (I put an Acc/Dam Hami-O in the last slot, but I had a lot of them sitting around.)

I have tried the Devastation Chance for Hold in Lightning Storm, and I like that one. It also fits the theme, since the hold is shown with a Tesla Cage.


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Yeah I was hoping that the Pet would buff itself periodically, Rapid Firing for a brief time. But if the power is flagged "Unaffected by recharge" then that's right out.

I think I'm going to go with Devastation Chance to Hold in it, since I've got a 5-slot frankenslot schema that nets me 77 acc, 94 dam, 94 Recharge. I was VERY pleased to find out that I can summon multiple concurrent storms. The temptation to go crazy nuts on recharge with IO's is slowly growing.


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Everything Local said.

Tornado is hated by teams except where it doesn't mess the situation up. Throwing it out there on an AV, like Rom in ITF, will help mess up the attacking troops and might make some small damage on Rom. I throw down a bonfire under him for the same reason.

Spec Terror:
You can perma this and it's great. Wait until the tank aggroes a donut on himself and throw this over him. This can also be used as mitigation in a hallway, etc, for yourself and the other ranged squishies.

Proc only in the rain, and I personally feel that's a bit of a waste of a slot.

The only "bad" powers are both claps. They don't work. If you want a good lightning look, change costumes and pick that emote. Does about the same thing, wastes time and looks cool.

I found that my ill/storm had to hold back on teams once I was around 43 or so, so I stopped playing her. She was a chaos machine but the key saviour when things went bad. I've stood in a thin hall running everything I had when everyone else had faceplanted. Ill/storm, imo, is a situational AT. Too bad I really like playing it.


 

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Illusion/Storm can be played as a team-friendly character . . . but it has to be done carefully and thoughtfully. Only use the knockback powers in limited situations. Focus most on PA and Freezing Rain, using Steamy for team stealth, using Lightning Storm for damage but positioned where it is likely to knock foes into a wall, using O2 Boost for some touch healing and de-stunning and End Drain protection, Flash and/or Thunderclap for some AoE Mitigation, Hurricane for careful positioning around the edges and ToHitDebuffing, etc. It is helpful to have played with a BAD stormie sometime so you know what NOT to do.

Thunderclap is skippable, but not a terrible power. It recharges quickly enough that it can be slotted to be perma. Since it only stuns minions (Mag 2), it can be used to stack with other AoE Stuns or to weed out groups . . . one strategy I have used with a good tank is to let the tank run in to grab aggro, then I hit Thunderclap. He then moves to the side taking the Lieuts and Bosses for the scrappers to wipe out while I and an AoE teammate or two wipe out the minions.

On the other hand, Flash will hold Minions and Lieutenants and have a 20% chance to get bosses. And one Blind will then hold a boss who was not held. It just recharges much more slowly. Personally, I like to have either Flash or Thunderclap.


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Originally Posted by Teeto_K View Post
Waterspout : This is a power I've never seen in action. It's apparently wildly popular, which puzzles me since Tornado, its closest analogue, is maligned and derided. If I'm taking this power to have "Yet another version of tornado's particular 'brand' of control contribution", will I be satisfied with what I got?
Its a prettier version of tornado (and actually looks more "tornado-like" than tornado itself). It's one benefit is that it does knock up and not knock back, so its a little less chaotic than tornado. I had it for a long time on my plant dom before I switched to an ancillary pool instead of my patron's.


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It is helpful to have played with a BAD stormie sometime so you know what NOT to do.
Amen, brother.

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And one Blind will then hold a boss who was not held. It just recharges much more slowly.
Blind is the most satisfying hold in the game, imo. Char is a close second, but the animation and sound of blind is excellent.