Marvel "revelation" I'm surprised hasn't been used yet...

*YAWN*

Yeah, yeah; mainstream comics, bad. Timelines make no sense. Stupid storylines. Plot by commitee. Yadda yadda yadda.

Why don't ya throw in something about Wolverine being overexposed next? That's original. Don't mind me over here readin' X-Men comics; I'm listening. Honest.

forgoing the fact that I wasn't trying to convince anybody I was right or wrong, given that the whole thing is opinion and thus differs from person to person.


Does nobody teach rhetoric in school any longer?

when an argument's reasons are used by multiple people, that makes it stronger.

originality implies that they're the only one using that argument and, ergo, they're the only one that cares about that and, ergo, that that argument is weak.

an argument that comes from multiple people is stronger

so, in essence, unless you're arguing against Marvel and DC, you just made your position weaker....

And also more boring.


Don't take it as a personal attack or anything; I was mostly just being snarky. But I DO kinda roll my eyes whenever this argument comes up. Yeah, I know it was kinda the point of THIS thread, but look through any other thread about comics and you'll see it pop up.

Now whether or not that makes it "truer" or not, I'm not gonna argue (after all, a heckuva lotta people think Twilight ISN'T complete **** ). I just find it a slightly snobbish kind of argument. Especially considering most indie comics wouldn't exist without the success of the mainstream stuff.

It's like when people badmouth Garfield for no other reason than it's popularity. Just rubs me the wrong way.

Mainstream comics have a lotta ****y stuff about 'em. But there's quite a lotta fun and awesome stuff about 'em too. And to write them off with a "I don't read THOSE comics anymore" type of comment seems very small minded to me.

But maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe I really am the only comics fan who LIKES the fact that Spidey and the rest haven't grown old and died. Maybe I'm the only one who likes the crazy storylines with evil twins, clones, aliens, and the X-Men fighting a vampire invasion.

Stuff like 'One More Day' can break yer frickin' SOUL. But there's always more on the way, and a lot of it is really fun stuff.

So poo-poo mainstream comics all ya want. I'll be standing on the front lines with 'em till my last breath. Bring it on, ya comic snobs. Bring it on!

World War Hulk sucked hugely. Actually made me actively dislike the Hulk.


And, to be fair, a lot of my grievances are based on semantics. But hey, it's the internet. Yer kinda expected to be nitpicky and short-tempered.

I mean, don't get me wrong. Occasional retcons can be done. Great, fine and wonderful. But Marvel just has a penchant for pulling out the Big Red RESET button way, WAY, WAY too often.

I mean seriously, Spider-Man is what? Three? FOUR levels of total, universal retcon deep at the moment?

The only two things more overused than retcon in the universe are Deadpool and Wolverine.

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they even named said reset button SCARLET Witch

though I haven't seen too much of Wolverine lately, so I'm thinking his overuse has become more assumed than actual

Is that from 1985? I really dug that miniseries. Did they try to put it into actual continuity...? I was under the impression it was a sort of "alterverse" story.

RIGHT! There have been awful things in Marvel and DC, but there are plenty of awful things from Image, Vertigo, Dark Horse and IDW and whatever else, it's just that no one reads them enough to complain.

I'll read anything that's good from any company (however, I do hesitate to jump into DC books with huge backstories of continuity). When I actually had a pull, it consisted of predominately Marvel books, but also the Mark Waid IDW Irredeemable, Atomic Robo from Red 5, a few Image books, some Icon books (mostly Bendis' Power, which counts as Marvel I suppose), and almost anything with Robert Kirkman's name on it. I used to buy Booster Gold from DC until they added a more continuity-intensive focus, and I bought Simon Dark until it became awful and ended. I find that DC really has some great miniseries', like the Joker's Asylum books and the recently concluded Superman: Secret Origin. Or it could just be that those are the most easily accessible for a guy who grew up with DC cartoons and movies rather than the comics (instead reading lots of Spider-Man and Marvel as a kid).

I don't get the reasoning. If you're a fan who likes self-contained stories, stick to miniseries'. There have been some great ones (Old Man Logan, Marvels, the two aforementioned DC books, etc.). I think there are far too few maxi-series to limit yourself to, like Brian K. Vaughn's Ex Machina and Y The Last Man, which are great and shouldn't be missed, but if you limit yourself to stories with a defined ending plotted out for five years from now, you're closing yourself off from what is a really great medium.

There's that Wolverine mention you were looking for, Cowman!

I think it's just all a matter of taste and personal preference. Is is better for Spider-Man himself to be ret-conned a bit (and what do you have in mind? The big ones, IMO, are Sins Past, The Other, and of course, One More Day), or for the entire universe to receive a reboot just because Quesada wants a significant change for one character? Is that better? As a Marvel, I say no. As a DC, you may say yes. As a Marvel, I say "No More Mutants" is a more eloquent solution than "punching reality," because it at least works in the framework of what has been established as the fiction of the characters. Reality-punching? Has anyone mentioned that as a remote possibility prior to that point? Has it been referenced since? Is there an explanation as to how that was possible, how Superboy Prime was even aware he could do such a thing?

It's all a matter of perspective. Just read and enjoy and tell others about what you like and they'll tell you about what they like and you can talk about them to your heart's content.

I thought the concept was, the Scarlet Witch had been subconsciously creating mutants for years, by making the gene dominant when it's actually recessive. All she did was turn things back (and possibly intentionally depower select individuals for various reasons as well)

that's more thought than the writer's actually put into their own idiot "no more mutants" comment.