OOC Discussion: Personal takes on fluff and the setting
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Posted on: 2010-09-24 21:26 in Roleplaying
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I don't know... I'd say Recluse is more of a Vetinarian.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Amen to that. The few little bits of writing I've done for Recluse have always been very much inspired by Terry Pratchett and Lord Vetinari. You've got to be pretty damn smart to keep a mess like the Rogue Isles spinning. It can wobble a bit and grow the odd edge...but it still functions.
I think the only more Vetinari-esque character would have to be Nemesis. And if anyone hasn't read Terry Pratchett before, I have no sympathy for your ignorance  Go and cure it. |
... Okay, just put the knife down. I'll stop making puns.
Anyway. Recluse is actually keeping the place running, and yes, I'd say he's read his Machiavelli and actually understood it - the people of the Isles fear the power of Arachnos, but very few citizens hate Lord Recluse personally. Nemesis, on the other hand, claims to be "running" everything, but doesn't really have the same approach to the machinery. Nemesis wants to make everything run his way, as clockwork as his automata. Recluse is far more organic - like Vetinari, he's prepared for the little screw-ups while he keeps the whole system running. He's as adept, or more so, at reading how society is going to run than making things run his way.
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You have this quite wrong unless your not baseing it on real history. Japan's constitution prevents the right of the nation to go to war and wage war (Article Nine). They have a self defence force for defence of the homeland and it is very well equipped however. |
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
it was kind of a personal conclusion based on the fact that after World War II in real life, part of the condition for Japan's surrender involved a reduction of their military that expired about... I think it might have been ten or so years ago.
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While a review of this anti war article occurred in 2007 no major changes have happened.
Oh, and the article is self imposed. The US wanted Japan to rearm and militarize as soon as the Korean War started.
The full article below, translated into English
"ARTICLE 9. Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. (2) To accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized."
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Ahhh... I see. I believe I've misread something somewhere... Severely.
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Originally Posted by Crime_of_Fashion
You have this quite wrong unless your not baseing it on real history. Japan's constitution prevents the right of the nation to go to war and wage war (Article Nine). They have a self defence force for defence of the homeland and it is very well equipped however.
While a review of this anti war article occurred in 2007 no major changes have happened. Oh, and the article is self imposed. The US wanted Japan to rearm and militarize as soon as the Korean War started. The full article below, translated into English "ARTICLE 9. Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. (2) To accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized." |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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Is this notion a canon one or an RP one? In either case, I fully agree that Arachnos has to be an effectual force for the setting to work. Villains may talk down "the Spiders" in idle conversation, but nobody dares mess with the Arbiters.
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Originally Posted by Kasoh
My most major contention is the notion that somehow, Arachnos is incompetent. I understand that Recluse's biggest schemes are somewhat nutjobby, but I readily believe in the ability of the Arachnos Forces to maintain the minimal amount of peace neccessary for the Rogue Isles to survive.
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No worries, I did my masters thesis on this very topic about a decade ago. Essentially how the occupation and war defeat changed the Japanese nation psyche and how that impacted on later strategic thinking. Just when I see someones got the wrong idea (probably through no fault of their own), the educator in me comes out.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Ahhh... I see. I believe I've misread something somewhere... Severely.
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I see... so this is why everyone looks at my blaster like she's crazy.
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Originally Posted by Crime_of_Fashion
No worries, I did my masters thesis on this very topic about a decade ago. Essentially how the occupation and war defeat changed the Japanese nation psyche and how that impacted on later strategic thinking. Just when I see someones got the wrong idea (probably through no fault of their own), the educator in me comes out.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
I see... so this is why everyone looks at my blaster like she's crazy.
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Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Quite a long time ago, I started a new character and found a sewer team, which happened to be an RP team. We were all having fun, and it was all good stuff. But this one guy on the team (who was very much new to the game, BTW) was RPing a transferred cop from the NYPD. He was supposed to be a new detective for the PPD. He stated several times that he had "never seen anyone with super powers before." This is just as ludicrous as any time a citizen states that "they've never met a hero before." Yeah right, lady. But his whole concept revolved around his character's strong opinion that heroes shouldn't be "wandering the streets like a criminal, using violence against people at their whim, without any sort of license." Which as we all know, is not true. Heroes (at least in Paragon!) are very much licensed, and even paid for what they do.
Anyway. The team didn't berate the newbie... but we did subtly try to convince him that his character was both a bigot to superpowered people (which to be fair, he did rather seem like it), and somewhat blind to the world. I mean, in a city like New York, there has to be SOME powered individuals, and there's nothing that says someone that can fly wouldn't decide just to be a lawyer or grocery store owner or head chef at a fancy French restaurant. How could he NOT see a bright blue mutant walking down the street, or some alien hero beating off thugs in any given alley?
Have any of you ever found people like this, and if so, how did you manage to RP with someone who was not only convinced there were NO powered people ANYWHERE but Paragon, but also refused to act otherwise? Personally, it aggravated me, but I had fun basically making the guy re-conceive his character traits from a street-smart detective unused to heroes and biased against them, to a racist, somewhat stupid cop who hated even the concept of a superhero.