Claw/Inv, thoughts?

I was messing around on mids, and came up with a brute version of my claw/inv scrapper.

My scrapper is jealous. It'd be a long-term project, but one that i could achieve with time, patience, and alignment merits. My I19 version would replace fitness with one-slot wonders like Resist Elements, Taunt, and Maneuvers (more for another LotG unique, unless slots could be squeezed somewhere).

Salient squee-ables:

3016 hp with accolades and perma (i think) dull pain
55% global recharge + hasten
softcapped s/l with 1 target
e/n def at 30% with 1 target, could be better but not bad considering
39 hp/sec with DP up
Winter's Gift + Resist elements = 40% slow resist. Take that, webnades.

Anyone want to poke at it and come up with something better?



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Level 50 Technology Brute
Primary Power Set: Claws
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Strike

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (5) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (5) Pounding Slugfest - Accuracy/Damage
• (7) Pounding Slugfest - Damage/Recharge

• (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
• (7) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (11) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (13) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (13) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (15) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (15) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff

• (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
• (9) Reactive Armor - Resistance
• (17) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (17) Reactive Armor - Endurance

• (A) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
• (19) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (21) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
• (21) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
• (23) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
• (23) Eradication - Chance for Energy Damage

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (9) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (11) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (25) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (25) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (27) Focused Smite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge

• (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
• (29) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
• (31) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
• (31) Miracle - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
• (31) Miracle - Heal/Recharge
• (46) Miracle - Heal/Endurance

• (A) Jumping IO

• (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
• (27) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration
• (29) Miracle - +Recovery
• (33) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
• (50) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance

• (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
• (33) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (33) Reactive Armor - Resistance
• (34) Reactive Armor - Endurance

• (A) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
• (19) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (34) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
• (34) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
• (36) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)

• (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
• (36) Performance Shifter - EndMod
• (37) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
• (37) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (37) Kismet - Accuracy +6%

• (A) Resist Damage IO

• (A) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
• (39) Obliteration - Damage
• (39) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
• (39) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (40) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (40) Multi Strike - Damage/Endurance

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
• (40) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (43) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

• (A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%)

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (36) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (42) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (42) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
• (43) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
• (43) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

• (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
• (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance
• (45) Reactive Armor - Endurance

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
• (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
• (46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

• (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
• (46) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
• (48) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy

• (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
• (48) Performance Shifter - EndMod
• (48) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (50) Recharge Reduction IO
• (50) Recharge Reduction IO

• (A) Empty

• (A) Empty

• (A) Empty

• 7% DamageBuff(Smashing)
• 7% DamageBuff(Lethal)
• 7% DamageBuff(Fire)
• 7% DamageBuff(Cold)
• 7% DamageBuff(Energy)
• 7% DamageBuff(Negative)
• 7% DamageBuff(Toxic)
• 7% DamageBuff(Psionic)
• 24.8% Defense(Smashing)
• 24.8% Defense(Lethal)
• 6% Defense(Fire)
• 6% Defense(Cold)
• 9.75% Defense(Energy)
• 9.75% Defense(Negative)
• 6% Defense(Psionic)
• 15.4% Defense(Melee)
• 7.88% Defense(Ranged)
• 6% Defense(AoE)
• 24% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 55% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 15% FlySpeed
• 326.1 HP (21.8%) HitPoints
• 15% JumpHeight
• 15% JumpSpeed
• MezResist(Immobilize) 14.3%
• MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
• 9% (0.15 End/sec) Recovery
• 78% (4.88 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 20% ResEffect(FlySpeed)
• 20% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
• 20% ResEffect(RunSpeed)
• 2.52% Resistance(Fire)
• 2.52% Resistance(Cold)
• 15% RunSpeed

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If you have 55% global recharge and Hasten 3 slotted you should have perma DP.

This is of course assuming that Invuln's DP is on the same recharge as the /Regen version. I'm pretty sure it is, but there is precedent for identical powers in different sets having different recharge times (Fireball in APPs versus Fireball in Fire Blast is a prime example)

I can't access Mid's from work, but it looks pretty solid from the overview I can see here.

I would replace the slotting you have in Eviscerate and Spin to 4x Eradication and 2x Scirocco's Dervish.

If you can stick a different purple set somewhere else (maybe Hecatomb in Slash?)

I would consider getting more E/N defense kind of a priority, there's a LOT of energy damage floating around, and you don't resist it that well. get a lot of Mus throwing lightning at you and you could be in trouble.

Other upsides of Eradication: another 1.8 end for each set slotted, and more max HP.

The one target thing is nice, but you will seldom only have one target in melee range as a brute, so you could afford to lose some S/L defense, especially seeing as you resist the hell out of it.

My plan with Invuln is to get as much defense as I can to the things I DON'T resist that well.

I'll see if I can tweak your build after I get home from work to do the things I mentioned without losing perma DP (because replacing those Oblits is going to cost you 10% recharge)

Sweet, thanks for taking some time with it, Claws. Your suggestions make a lot of sense, particularly shoring up the e/n defense. Lots of debuffs come attached to attacks of those types, too, and softcap in a big pack would make a big difference.

I used the 4x Erad, 2x Scirroco slotting on my scrapper, and it works great.

Dull Pain (and other powers like it) recharges look like they're 360 seconds across the board...even in Controller's stone mastery, huh.

I'll play around with it; maybe the recharge gap could be solved with a LotG 7.5% recharge in Maneuvers come I19.

As an alternative, consider 3X Eradication and 3X Cleaving Blow. I tend to do this on characters shooting for high Energy/Neg typed defense. The extra 1.25% from the CB's add up and the (small) Recovery boost fits well with the +1.8% Max End from Eradiction.

Just food for thought. My WP/DB Tank is softcapped to Eng/Neg (~46%) with this approach.

Been continuing to poke at it, and it seems like apples and oranges at this point. Garth, i like that slotting too, never considered using cleaving blow before.

Here's one using Soul Mastery rather than Energy Mastery. Same basic thing, with both the above slotting suggestions raising e/n def quite a bit, and trading off a chunk of recovery for an (underslotted) gloom and utility of Darkest Night. Keeps over 3k hp, just because i think that's cool ;P

Would the below build be endurance sustainable, not running Darkest Night?


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Level 50 Technology Brute
Primary Power Set: Claws
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Strike

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (5) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (5) Pounding Slugfest - Accuracy/Damage
• (7) Pounding Slugfest - Damage/Recharge

• (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

• (A) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
• (11) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (13) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
• (13) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
• (15) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
• (15) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff

• (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
• (9) Reactive Armor - Resistance
• (17) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (17) Reactive Armor - Endurance

• (A) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (7) Eradication - Chance for Energy Damage
• (19) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (21) Cleaving Blow - Damage/Endurance
• (21) Cleaving Blow - Damage/Recharge
• (23) Cleaving Blow - Accuracy/Damage

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (9) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (11) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
• (25) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (25) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (27) Focused Smite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge

• (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
• (29) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
• (31) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
• (31) Miracle - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
• (31) Miracle - Heal/Recharge
• (46) Miracle - Heal/Endurance

• (A) Jumping IO

• (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
• (27) Regenerative Tissue - +Regeneration
• (29) Miracle - +Recovery
• (33) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
• (50) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance

• (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
• (33) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (33) Reactive Armor - Resistance
• (34) Reactive Armor - Endurance

• (A) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
• (19) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (23) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
• (34) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
• (34) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance

• (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
• (36) Performance Shifter - EndMod
• (37) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
• (37) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (37) Kismet - Accuracy +6%

• (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

• (A) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (39) Eradication - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (39) Eradication - Chance for Energy Damage
• (39) Eradication - Damage/Recharge
• (40) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (40) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
• (40) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
• (43) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

• (A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%)

• (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
• (36) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
• (36) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (42) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
• (43) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
• (43) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

• (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
• (42) Reactive Armor - Endurance
• (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (45) Reactive Armor - Resistance

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
• (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
• (46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

• (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (45) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (46) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance

• (A) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Endurance
• (48) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Recharge/Endurance
• (48) Dark Watcher's Despair - Recharge/Endurance
• (48) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (50) Recharge Reduction IO
• (50) Recharge Reduction IO

• (A) Empty

• (A) Empty

• (A) Empty

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Sorry, I completely forgot I was going to help with your build (RL rears it's ugly head again)

Looks like you have things well in hand there, if you like the build you posted there it should work out fine for you.

Sir, you disgrace me, and similarly tarnish your good name of andEffect!

**peels white glove finger by finger from his hand, slaps it 'cross your face, and tucks it in his pocket**


<grins> no problem, man, i appreciate your input. I played my claws/inv scrap the other night, and was reminded of some of its holes...so i wonder if its what i really want. I've been playing the "what's the best brute for me?" game for years, and just can't seem to make up my mind. And this is after taking ss/wp, wm/wp, fire/shield, elec/sr, claw/sr all to high levels. i just keep on coming back to my scrappers.