I do a DA/DM Tanker and a DM/DA Brute. Both played the same way. It's sick in the sense that I like to see many near death experiences from which to dark regen from and say to the mobs, start again but that is an end heavy heal but it would be for what it gives.
It can get very survivable depending on what you do with it or be too hard depending on how little you delve into them (some people complain for the wrong reasons). To be fair though with the leveling up, it's nice to have a sugar daddy alt that can provide the means to take out some of it's aches and pains. I wouldn't suggest this for a first character.
I don't post my builds not out of snobbishness but in this case because it probably won't do + at work, build is at home. We could see what you'd fancy in the build and go from there.
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Oh I have money for IO'ing out the toon (or at least the capability to get money if needed) so that part isn't worrying me; especially with GR/i18 and market merges/sending money to heroes from villains.
I was doing a quick build in Mids and had Tough/Weave and was like, "this is perfect, got all the powers I want with tough/weave!" Then I noticed I didn't have Death Shroud or Smite. :/ 
I didn't originally pick Cloak of Fear either....
Here's a quick build I made up (just powers, no IOs):
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Level 48 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Dark Armor
Secondary Power Set: Dark Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Death Shroud -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Shadow Punch -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Dark Embrace -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Shadow Maul -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Obsidian Shield -- Empty(A)
Level 8: Dark Regeneration -- Empty(A)
Level 10: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 12: Taunt -- Empty(A)
Level 14: Combat Jumping -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Health -- Empty(A)
Level 18: Cloak of Fear -- Empty(A)
Level 20: Stamina -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Siphon Life -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Murky Cloud -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Oppressive Gloom -- Empty(A)
Level 28: Soul Drain -- Empty(A)
Level 30: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Soul Transfer -- Empty(A)
Level 35: Dark Consumption -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Midnight Grasp -- Empty(A)
Level 41: Tough -- Empty(A)
Level 44: Weave -- Empty(A)
Level 47: Focused Accuracy -- Empty(A)
Level 49: Physical Perfection -- Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
Level 6: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:
With this build I don't have Smite and Touch of Fear...which I kind of wanted both (at least ToF) but then again, if I'm a 'tanker' then I should be worrying about taunting mobs and surviving and not trying to kill mobs. According to Mids, the build above uses 3.24 end/sec and recovers 2.3 end/sec. Granted this is all without IOs/endurance reductions/etc but...would this be a huge concern since I would have Dark Consumption +end power as well as I could have the Theft of Essence +end proc in Dark Regeneration; as well as the Miracle and Numina's procs...
Thoughts on powers such as Siphon Life and Touch of Fear?
I remember having a lowbie scrapper back in the day and didn't really care for Siphon Life as much as I was hoping for....then again this was years ago and no IOs/etc so it was just using it as a base power (no enhancements in it)...only got the toon to like lvl 6/8...*shrugs*
Thanks again!
Edit:
I didn't take Cloak of Darkness because my friend said it was perma-stealth (even if you attacked it doesn't break stealth)...which would make it harder to keep aggro.
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Yes, CoD is Stealth, but it does not interfere with existing aggro - in that any aggro you generate remains in effect, despite your 'stealth' and the mobs will still try to kill you. However, that stealth means that you can be more selective in your aggro and pulling, since you're less likely to pick up extra, from nearby groups - since they can't 'see' you. You can taunt 5, pull 5, and defeat 5, then go get the next 5, or you can jump in the middle of the group, with Death Shroud going, and aggro everything you just hit/hurt, but their buddies --> Over there --> won't come and join the party.|
Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
...I didn't take Cloak of Darkness because my friend said it was perma-stealth (even if you attacked it doesn't break stealth)...which would make it harder to keep aggro.
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This gives You more control.
So, Cloak of Darkness does not make aggro any more difficult, at all - it just makes it a lot less random.
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Two quick points.
1.Siphon Life got a major buff a couple issues back it is now a tidy self heal and a perfectly respectable attack.
2.Touch of Fear is not just a mez it is a MASSIVE tohit debuff.
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Originally Posted by abnormal_joe
Two quick points.
1.Siphon Life got a major buff a couple issues back it is now a tidy self heal and a perfectly respectable attack. 2.Touch of Fear is not just a mez it is a MASSIVE tohit debuff. |
Hmm, good points. Like I said I originally wanted Touch of Fear so...I guess the only way to get that with the build above is to drop Physical Perfection and get ToF.
As far as putting IOs in the toon; for defense wise, I'm guessing it'd be better (easier?) to try to cap S/L dmg instead of Melee/Ranged/AoE, correct?
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Yes, easier.|
Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
As far as putting IOs in the toon; for defense wise, I'm guessing it'd be better (easier?) to try to cap S/L dmg instead of Melee/Ranged/AoE, correct?
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If you had to chose S/L or Melee, S/L is better.
If you had to chose S/L or Melee/Ranged/AoE, then M/R/A is clearly better.
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I'm also another fan of Dark Armor. I posted what I'm working towards as a final build for my DA/DM tank over in Seebs "most colorful build?" thread. It's not as nicely built as Dechs DA/Fire, but take a look and see if it gives you any ideas.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
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Mmm, I thought I should have worded that question a bit better. I know it'd be 'easier' I guess to chose S/L vs M/R/A but I guess my question is: is it possible to get 45% def to M/R/A on a DA/DM Tanker? From what I remember off hand, even if I took Cloak of Darkness (5% def boost) I think (even with Weave and CJ), base def would be like 12%...I just didn't think it'd be possible to get 33% def to M/R/A from just IO sets.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Yes, easier.
If you had to chose S/L or Melee, S/L is better. If you had to chose S/L or Melee/Ranged/AoE, then M/R/A is clearly better. |
And thanks Rangle (and everyone so far
)...I'll take a look.
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It is quite possible, and incredibly expensive.
and here it is =D
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Dark Armor
Secondary Power Set: Dark Melee
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Dark Embrace
- (A) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance
- (3) Aegis - Resistance
- (5) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
- (7) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (11) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
- (A) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
- (3) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
- (13) Touch of Death - Damage/Recharge
- (15) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (50) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (50) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (5) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
- (7) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
- (11) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (13) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (15) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
- (A) Theft of Essence - Healing/Recharge
- (9) Theft of Essence - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (9) Theft of Essence - Chance for +Endurance
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (40) Defense Buff IO
- (42) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
- (43) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (43) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
- (A) Run Speed IO
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
- (43) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (46) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (17) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
- (17) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
- (19) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (19) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (48) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (A) Miracle - +Recovery
- (50) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (A) Endurance Modification IO
- (21) Endurance Modification IO
- (21) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
- (A) Obliteration - Damage
- (23) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
- (23) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
- (34) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (37) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
- (A) Siphon Insight - ToHit Debuff
- (25) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/ToHit Debuff
- (25) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/Recharge
- (31) Siphon Insight - ToHit Debuff/Endurance/Recharge
- (33) Siphon Insight - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (36) Siphon Insight - Chance for +ToHit
- (A) Mocking Beratement - Taunt
- (27) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge
- (27) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge/Range
- (31) Mocking Beratement - Accuracy/Recharge
- (33) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Range
- (34) Mocking Beratement - Recharge
- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (33) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (34) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
- (A) Accuracy IO
- (A) HamiO:Ribosome Exposure
- (A) HamiO:Cytoskeleton Exposure
- (36) HamiO:Cytoskeleton Exposure
- (36) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
- (39) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
- (39) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
- (39) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (40) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (40) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (A) HamiO:Cytoskeleton Exposure
- (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (42) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Obliteration - Damage
- (45) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
- (45) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
- (45) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (46) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (46) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (48) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (48) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 1: Brawl
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
Level 6: Ninja Run
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 20% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 20% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 20% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 20% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 20% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 20% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 20% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 20% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 19.1% Defense(Smashing)
- 19.1% Defense(Lethal)
- 18.8% Defense(Fire)
- 18.8% Defense(Cold)
- 14.1% Defense(Energy)
- 14.1% Defense(Negative)
- 6% Defense(Psionic)
- 22.9% Defense(Melee)
- 22.3% Defense(Ranged)
- 22.3% Defense(AoE)
- 3.6% Max End
- 27% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 47.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 9% FlySpeed
- 168.7 HP (9%) HitPoints
- 9% JumpHeight
- 9% JumpSpeed
- Knockback (Mag -8)
- Knockup (Mag -8)
- MezResist(Held) 15.4%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 12.7%
- MezResist(Stun) 4.4%
- 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
- 40% (3.13 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 3% Resistance(Psionic)
- 14% RunSpeed
- 4.5% XPDebtProtection
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Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
The above build is over the top ridiculous, ugly, and the PvP IO alone will cost 2 billion or more.
That said, it's still pretty freakin' awesome..
Where to now?
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Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
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I said it was expensive. Ridiculous, maybe. Ugly, I prefer eccentric. |
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
The above build is over the top ridiculous, ugly, and the PvP IO alone will cost 2 billion or more.
That said, it's still pretty freakin' awesome.. |
That said, it would work, and it would be amazing.
I just need that d@mned PvP IO.
Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
Okay random question...but...I usually have a hard time coming up with names for some characters but this one has me somewhat stuck more than usual.
Magic origin; male, female or huge body type doesn't bother me...any thoughts/suggestions for names (or concepts)?
Some of my characters have "Ion" in their names; for example, my Warshade is "Gloomy Ion" (since he was my 'darkity-dark/fluffy' char.) and my Peacebringer is "Shiny Ion". So I was leaning towards something like, "Dark Ion" or "Cloudy Ion" but...not so great...Dark Ion is about the 'best' one that I have so far
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Don't forget about all the colors you could do. With blue hues you could be Misty or Steamy Ion. With tan colors it could be Sandy Ion. Green turns you into a Toxic Ion.
But that's just keeping with your Ion theme. Basically, don't limit yourself to Darkity darkness.
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Ionization
Commander Ion
Capt. Ion
Ionic Darkety Darkness. 
Red Ion or Ion Rouge, or Rot Ion, or Ion Rojo (Pseudo French, German or Spanish variations)
Le Ion Noir aka The Black Ion (Pseudo French variation)
Just some ideas....
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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hmmm...true that, I did kind of forgot about the color customization....
Thanks to both of you
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So I was thinking about making a new DA/DM Tanker. I'd like this tanker to be made to be the 'main' tanker type...where I don't care too much about killing mobs...just getting their attention and holding it.
With that, my main question(s) is would I need Tough/Weave or if I just IO out the toon, would the def. from the IO sets be enough?
Any suggested builds/thoughts on what powers to avoid?
Thanks in advance
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