Cheap NrG/Nin Build any good?


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This is my first time using program so Im not sure about everything. From what I understand Def is capped at 40%? Which is the same as 80% resistance? Anyways I tried to come up with a fairly cheap build (cheap on freedom anyways) and was my plan to just pop a small purp to hit soft cap and have descent recharge for haste, good accuracy, +to hit, and dmg. So anyways with this build kuji in retsu would be worthless? Anyways was gonna try out in pvp if having it soft capped is like haveing kuji in on all the time. Any feedback appreciated.

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This build wouldn't work too well in either PvP or PvE

Kuji in Rin is a click, not a toggle. Throwing a single end reduc in it won't do. Stun is largely worthless in PvP, and of moderate to no value in PvE (as far as stalkers go at least). You'll want bone smasher and total focus slotted for damage. Super Jump is overslotted for jump. And you'll also want as much recharge in Build Up as you can get. Also, you have no KB protection, which will really bite for you.


"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict

 

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Good eye on the cc res i missed that. How does acrobatics do for kb?

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Still no real damage in BS or TF. Slotting them for stun will do you no real good without the damage to back it up. Also, while the build can work a bit (though not as well) in PvE, it'll die quickly in PvP.


"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict

 

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Ok thank you for the critique. Playing around I found a much better option. Closer to soft cap with a lot less toggels/end use. I know you dont like stun but I got it just to slot the +def bonus. Any other ideas? Any other options to get kb resist?

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Please don't take offense to this, but this is one of the worst builds I have seen posted on the stalker forums 0_0

First of, the defense soft cap is 45% defense to Melee, Ranged, AoE OR typed defense (easier to soft cap positional than typed imo, mainly because there is no toxic defense, and psi defense is rather hard to come by)

Most toons need two builds if they want to pvp and pve. The main reason is because powers behave differently in PvP and PvE. (ie flurry is a great power in PvP)

Most defensive melee toons I have seen build for Ranged Defense (stalkers doubly so, great to shark or AS then run away, ranged defense helps with that). Accuracy bonuses do not get DRed in PvP, but defense bonuses do (sucks to be defense).

So if you want my advice. get about 43% defense to melee, ranged, AoE without hide toggled on. This is for PvE.

For PvP, pile on as much ranged defense as possible. (I have an SR scrapper with 70% ranged defense on his PvP build. It gets DRed down to 42%. When I use Elude, it goes from over 100% in PvE to about 50% in PvP.)


Now, to focus on your most recent posted build:

Don't take Challenge. Intimidate is pretty bad, it is ok only when you have a stackable fear to go with it. Invoke Panic: same boat as Intimidate.

This frees you up to take 3 powers... I'm thinking Boxing -> Tough -> Weave.

DON'T WAIT TILL LEVEL 49 TO TAKE YOUR MELEE DEFENSE TOGGLE!!!!!!!!!!!.

0_0!!!!

Also, a personal trend I tend to follow is: Don't take a power just for the IO sets. Take powers you are going to actually use.

As for KB prot. 4 points will be fine for most PvE content. 12 points is good for all PvE content. 41 points for PvP content. You MIGHT be able to drop to around 20-30 points KB prot, counting on defense to mitigate some. But I guarantee you will die because some one will pop you with KB.

For /Nin, you want some sort of panic button (because of it's low DDR). Phase Shift, Shadow Meld, Hibernate, or Kuji-In Retsu work in this regard. I recommended Phase Shift for PvP, and Shadow Meld for PvE.

Again, I want to add. Don't slot secondary effects in Damage Powers, and don't pick up powers for their IO set bonuses. Pick the powers for what they do.



Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.

 

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thx for the advice. What is this throw shark youre talking about? And i didnt think kuji in retsu would even do anything. If youre telling me I can be at 100%pve and 50% pvp then its still a good power too have i guess. Wish mids showed that when you click the pvp tab.


 

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Throw Shark = Spirit Shark from the Leviathan Mastery pool. It hits like a bus and can crit from hide. In PvE, it's nothing special, but is beastly in PvP.


"the reason there are so many sarcastic pvpers is we already had a better version of pvp taken away from us to appease bad players. Back then we chuckled at how bad players came here and whined. If we knew that was the actual voice devs would listen to instead of informed, educated players we probably would have been bigger dicks back then." -ConFlict

 

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Ok like I said this is my first build. I cant afford 2 builds so I settling with this one unless anyone can make it better for less inf. I dont know if my mids is bugged but can someone check this over. How long is the recharge buff on spirit shark? or is that a bug?

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