Mechanics for Force Feedback


Jade

 

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Can someone that knows about the mechanics of the game tell me how the Force Feedback chance or +recharge proc works when slotted?

The reason I ask is because in my build for my Energy/Energy Blaster I have slotted Power Bolt, Power Blast, Power Burst, Explosive Blast, and Energy Torrent with the proc and I am trying to figure out how the +rech component works. I know it gives 100% for 5 secs, but with it being in that many powers does it look at the proc as a whole or does it look at it as being 5 different instances of that proc for a possible stacking effect of the recharge?

Also does the rule of 5 apply to procs also?


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Excellent question Novella and one I have been wanting to ask myself, as I have not been able to experiment with this proc yet.


 

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http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Force_...or_%2BRecharge

It appears to be most effective by having only one and that being slotted in a power with a final recharge +cast time of 15 seconds.


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from the wiki
"The chance triggers everytime a mob is affected so it is best used in AOE knockback/knockdown powers "

So with the 15 second rule I would say exp blast would be the best use of it? (it has a 16 second recharge time)


 

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Grr, that sucks that the effect doesn't really work separately each time its use. Knowing this I will have to figure out how I want ot respec my character since I have a lot of free slots now.

My original thought was that with my 86.8% global along with Hasten's 70% I would be able to keep a nice little 5 sec 100% recharge buff going, but it looks like that is impossible.


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My question to you is, do you plan on keeping one slotted in? and If so on what power Novella?


 

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Originally Posted by Novella View Post
Grr, that sucks that the effect doesn't really work separately each time its use. Knowing this I will have to figure out how I want ot respec my character since I have a lot of free slots now.

My original thought was that with my 86.8% global along with Hasten's 70% I would be able to keep a nice little 5 sec 100% recharge buff going, but it looks like that is impossible.
IIRC someone ran some calculations and having a force feedback proc in one power averaged out to being a little less than 5% more global recharge. Dependant of course on your attack chain and the proc supression timing.

Your best bet will be to put it in Explosive Blast so that you have the largest target cap available to ensure that it will proc most often when you need it most. If you can get Explosive Blast's recharge down to 5.83 seconds (including global +rech bonuses) you'll hit the supression window pretty well against an average of 5 targets with that recharge speed.

The Explosive Strike chance for smashing damage proc may be a good replacement for the Force Feedback procs in your other powers.


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-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight View Post
The Explosive Strike chance for smashing damage proc may be a good replacement for the Force Feedback procs in your other powers.
Thanks, I will keep that in mind myself as well as I am not running any dmg procs


 

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My question to you is, do you plan on keeping one slotted in? and If so on what power Novella?
At the moment I have one slotted in Explosive Blast, Power Burst and Energy Torrent and I have 2 more in my storage for Energy Torrent and Power Blast. Now that I know it won't benefit me to have them in each power I will be respecing out all of them except for the one in Explosive Blast.


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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight View Post
The Explosive Strike chance for smashing damage proc may be a good replacement for the Force Feedback procs in your other powers.
Thats what I hve done with my melee attacks. I have the Touch of Death chance for negative energy damage in Energy Punch, Bone Smasher and will have one in Total Focus. I will have to look at other procs if I decide to not respec.


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Originally Posted by Novella View Post
At the moment I have one slotted in Explosive Blast, Power Burst and Energy Torrent and I have 2 more in my storage for Energy Torrent and Power Blast. Now that I know it won't benefit me to have them in each power I will be respecing out all of them except for the one in Explosive Blast.
If you only played on Victory I would see how much you wanted for one! As always thanks for the advice.


 

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I would have definitely sold you one.


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well I have been thinking of trying this slot also do you think LMR is a good place to put it? Its a knock back power with a huge recahrge timmer thats AOE.


 

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well I have been thinking of trying this slot also do you think LMR is a good place to put it? Its a knock back power with a huge recahrge timmer thats AOE.
I would say, how often do you use LRM? I hear it has a bit of a whicked activation time (much like sniper) Also take into consideration your global recharge and if you have hasten? I would try to get it in a power that has as close to 15 seconds as possible.


 

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well I have been thinking of trying this slot also do you think LMR is a good place to put it? Its a knock back power with a huge recahrge timmer thats AOE.
Personally I hate LRM Missle. Until they lower the recharge time on the power I encourage all to skip it because it can't be used enough to be worth taking.


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Personally I hate LRM Missle. Until they lower the recharge time on the power I encourage all to skip it because it can't be used enough to be worth taking.
It's a crashless 1/2 strength nuke that you can use at snipe range and it's an extra one since its in an Epic pool. It's recharge is 240 seconds compared to say Thunderous Blast which has range 60, a 360 second recharge, and has an end crash.

I really like LRM on my toons that have munitions.

I just wish that it would accept snipe sets.


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-I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo Galilei
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LMR does amazing damage when slotted for damage. Its an AOE snipe I don't care if I can't use it but every other fight the damage output is WELL worth it for the times you do get it off. Over 500 damage in an AOE that is not a nuke.