Sonic/Sonic Defender Advice for a CoH N00b.


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Hi everyone,

I am a newbie to CoH but have played lots of MMO games before. I'm enjoying CoH a lot as there seems to be much less grinding for equipment/honour/rep which caused me to quit WoW.

I have got two chracters up to lvl 11 so far. One is a Sonic/Sonic defender. I tried a FF/Psi defender first but didn't like blasting with Psi very much, when I teamed with a Sonic Blaster and really liked the look of the sonic attacks. So I decided to play a Sonic/Sonic Defender mainly choosing Sonic Primary to keep the power concept simple. So here is what I plan on the Hero Builder

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name: Kaltan
Level: 50
Archetype: Defender
Primary: Sonic Resonance
Secondary: Sonic Blast
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01) --> Sonic Siphon==> Acc(1)Acc(31)Rechg(36)
01) --> Shriek==> Dmg(1)Dmg(3)Dmg(3)Acc(46)
02) --> Scream==> Dmg(2)Dmg(5)Dmg(5)Acc(13)Acc(31)Rechg(33)
04) --> Sonic Barrier==> DmgRes(4)DmgRes(7)DmgRes(7)
06) --> Sonic Haven==> DmgRes(6)DmgRes(9)DmgRes(9)
08) --> Disruption Field==> EndRdx(8)EndRdx(40)EndRdx(45)
10) --> Howl==> Dmg(10)Dmg(11)Dmg(11)Acc(13)Acc(31)Rechg(33)
12) --> Hover==> EndRdx(12)
14) --> Fly==> Fly(14)Fly(15)Fly(15)EndRdx(48)
16) --> Sonic Dispersion==> DmgRes(16)DmgRes(17)DmgRes(17)EndRdx(21)EndRdx(23)EndRdx(29)
18) --> Shout==> Dmg(18)Dmg(19)Dmg(19)Acc(21)Acc(23)Rechg(29)
20) --> Swift==> Run(20)
22) --> Health==> Heal(22)
24) --> Stamina==> EndMod(24)EndMod(25)EndMod(25)
26) --> Amplify==> TH_Buf(26)Rechg(27)Rechg(27)Rechg(46)
28) --> Clarity==> Empty(28)Empty(50)Empty(50)
30) --> Siren's Song==> Acc(30)Acc(33)Range(34)Range(36)Rechg(37)EndRdx(39)
32) --> Liquefy==> Acc(32)Acc(34)DefDeBuf(34)TH_DeBuf(36)Rechg(37)Rechg(39)
35) --> Screech==> Acc(35)Acc(37)Rechg(39)Rechg(40)
38) --> Dreadful Wail==> Dmg(38)Dmg(40)Dmg(42)Acc(43)Rechg(43)Rechg(43)
41) --> Power Build Up==> TH_Buf(41)Rechg(42)Rechg(42)Rechg(46)
44) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(44)Rechg(45)Rechg(45)
47) --> Hasten==> Rechg(47)Rechg(48)Rechg(48)
49) --> Super Speed==> Run(49)EndRdx(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Vigilance==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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Hope that worked. The slotting is my main problem. I'm not really sure on how many slots to give most of the powers, this is just a guess from what I have played fo the game so far, so adive on them would be good. There is a little room for changing a few powers, but it built around manipulating sound waves to perform all the powers. So Dark/Psychic Mastery/Teleport are out as it gets to hard to explain how I got those powers.

Thanks for any help.


 

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Personally, I'd only slot one ACC in attacks, and use the 6th slot for EndRdx.

Fly doesn't need EndRdx, you're not going to fight using it. Rather throw that slot as a flyspeed in hover or something.

Stamina is kinda late-ish, might want to move stuff like the Haven and howl/shout later and get it at 20.

Amplify doesn't need ToHit buff.

Clarity only needs one slot.

From what I've heard, most sonics consider liquefy quite poor, would propably drop it.

You'll want 6 slots in screech if you take it, something like 1/3/2 Acc/Stun/Rech.

Drop the acc in dreadful wail and add 3rd rech, you're going to fire off aim and maybe PBU before it so hitting won't be an issue.

With dropping liquefy, you might want to consider shuffling powers around and dropping something like superspeed, in order to get aid self from the medicine pool.

All in all, pretty nice for your first build.


 

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Personally, I'd only slot one ACC in attacks, and use the 6th slot for EndRdx.

Fly doesn't need EndRdx, you're not going to fight using it. Rather throw that slot as a flyspeed in hover or something.

Stamina is kinda late-ish, might want to move stuff like the Haven and howl/shout later and get it at 20.

Amplify doesn't need ToHit buff.

Clarity only needs one slot.

From what I've heard, most sonics consider liquefy quite poor, would propably drop it.

You'll want 6 slots in screech if you take it, something like 1/3/2 Acc/Stun/Rech.

Drop the acc in dreadful wail and add 3rd rech, you're going to fire off aim and maybe PBU before it so hitting won't be an issue.

With dropping liquefy, you might want to consider shuffling powers around and dropping something like superspeed, in order to get aid self from the medicine pool.

All in all, pretty nice for your first build.

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And if you want to PVP then don't listen to MaX . In PvP two accuracy per power is a necessity.

ps. I also think that is very nice for a first build


 

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Personally, I'd only slot one ACC in attacks, and use the 6th slot for EndRdx.

Fly doesn't need EndRdx, you're not going to fight using it. Rather throw that slot as a flyspeed in hover or something.

Stamina is kinda late-ish, might want to move stuff like the Haven and howl/shout later and get it at 20.

Amplify doesn't need ToHit buff.

Clarity only needs one slot.

From what I've heard, most sonics consider liquefy quite poor, would propably drop it.

You'll want 6 slots in screech if you take it, something like 1/3/2 Acc/Stun/Rech.

Drop the acc in dreadful wail and add 3rd rech, you're going to fire off aim and maybe PBU before it so hitting won't be an issue.

With dropping liquefy, you might want to consider shuffling powers around and dropping something like superspeed, in order to get aid self from the medicine pool.

All in all, pretty nice for your first build.

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Well I've already made lvl 11 so I can only push back shout or hover+fly to get stamina earlier, so i'll push back shout and get it at 22. The enhancements I slotted in were just guesses, I only put 2 Acc in most things as the builder says that Sonic attacks have -5% Acc normally.

Clarify I had no idea about slotting so I'll limit that to one. I'll try liquify and respecc out if I don't like it, but that will probably be months away before I get high enough to properly try it out. Good advice about using Amplify before using Dreadful Wail.

Biggest problem I have so far is everyone expects me to heal . Even when I put Sonic/Sonic in my search comment. I'm enjoying it as it like a blaster that helps out the team.


 

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And if you want to PVP then don't listen to MaX . In PvP two accuracy per power is a necessity.


[/ QUOTE ]Of course, however it is mainly a PvE game, and the poster never specified any desire to PvP with the build


 

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The enhancements I slotted in were just guesses, I only put 2 Acc in most things as the builder says that Sonic attacks have -5% Acc normally.

[/ QUOTE ]The builder is wrong with that (As well as certain other things), sonic attacks have normal accuracy, apart for siren's song, which has the normal AoE control penalty (Base accuracy 0.8 instead of 1.0) For the most accurate numbers (Sadly only up to issue 7, but there haven't been many power changes since then, and those that have can be found in patch notes), use NoFuture.

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Clarify I had no idea about slotting so I'll limit that to one.

[/ QUOTE ] It doesn't need anything really, just stick either EndRdx, Rech or Range in the default slot.

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Biggest problem I have so far is everyone expects me to heal . Even when I put Sonic/Sonic in my search comment. I'm enjoying it as it like a blaster that helps out the team.

[/ QUOTE ]Many people sadly think of defenders as healers. However, this is luckily mostly limited to lower levels, and people will most likely appreciate you more as you get higher up.


 

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Biggest problem I have so far is everyone expects me to heal . Even when I put Sonic/Sonic in my search comment. I'm enjoying it as it like a blaster that helps out the team.

[/ QUOTE ]Many people sadly think of defenders as healers. However, this is luckily mostly limited to lower levels, and people will most likely appreciate you more as you get higher up.

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To elaborate, Sonic Resonance is a fairly rare set for various reasons, so new players tend not to know what it does and most (5/8) of the Defender primaries carry a heal of varying strength. The end result is new players thinking that Blue Shield and not FF or TA = HEAL!

Later on, Sonic Resonance starts showing its true power with the ability to reduce most damage fairly nicely and improving team damage (by reducing enemy resistance). And people no longer feel the need for healing as heavily as they did in the early levels.


 

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And if you want to PVP then don't listen to MaX . In PvP two accuracy per power is a necessity.


[/ QUOTE ]Of course, however it is mainly a PvE game, and the poster never specified any desire to PvP with the build

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Your right I didn't state that if I'd PvP as I have no idea if I will. I have played mainly on PvP servers in MMO mainly as you can kill that git who keeps annoying you with emotes/kill stealing etc, but mostly my experience with PvP is self defense. I tend to suck at PvP as I feel sorry for the other person (and I am rubbish, back in my UO days I'd kill myself more times then my opponent with mistakes using LastTarget macros ).

Here is a an updated build still with liquify. I might go for Medicine if liquify does suck when I get there, I'll just have to say that it's bandaging myself or something to stay in concept.

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name: Kaltan
Level: 50
Archetype: Defender
Primary: Sonic Resonance
Secondary: Sonic Blast
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01) --> Sonic Siphon==> Acc(1)Acc(40)Rechg(46)
01) --> Shriek==> Dmg(1)Dmg(3)Dmg(5)Acc(46)EndRdx(50)
02) --> Scream==> Dmg(2)Dmg(3)Dmg(5)Acc(13)Rechg(34)EndRdx(37)
04) --> Sonic Barrier==> DmgRes(4)DmgRes(7)DmgRes(7)
06) --> Sonic Haven==> DmgRes(6)DmgRes(9)DmgRes(9)
08) --> Disruption Field==> EndRdx(8)EndRdx(13)EndRdx(17)
10) --> Howl==> Dmg(10)Dmg(11)Dmg(11)Acc(31)Rechg(34)EndRdx(37)
12) --> Hover==> Fly(12)Fly(17)EndRdx(33)
14) --> Sonic Dispersion==> DmgRes(14)DmgRes(15)DmgRes(15)EndRdx(19)EndRdx(19)EndRdx(31)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20)EndMod(21)EndMod(21)
22) --> Fly==> Fly(22)Fly(23)Fly(23)
24) --> Shout==> Dmg(24)Dmg(25)Dmg(25)Acc(31)Rechg(34)EndRdx(37)
26) --> Amplify==> Rechg(26)Rechg(27)Rechg(27)
28) --> Siren's Song==> Acc(28)Acc(29)Range(29)Range(40)Rechg(42)EndRdx(46)
30) --> Clarity==> EndRdx(30)
32) --> Liquefy==> Acc(32)Hold(33)Hold(33)Hold(36)Rechg(43)Rechg(43)
35) --> Screech==> Acc(35)DisDur(36)DisDur(36)DisDur(39)Rechg(48)Rechg(50)
38) --> Dreadful Wail==> Dmg(38)Dmg(39)Dmg(39)Rechg(40)Rechg(43)Rechg(45)
41) --> Power Build Up==> Rechg(41)Rechg(42)Rechg(42)
44) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(44)Rechg(45)Rechg(45)
47) --> Hasten==> Rechg(47)Rechg(48)Rechg(48)
49) --> Super Speed==> Run(49)Run(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Vigilance==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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I might go for Medicine if liquify does suck when I get there, I'll just have to say that it's bandaging myself or something to stay in concept.

[/ QUOTE ]The medicine pool animations actually feature a gadget that you use for the healing, so explaining it shouldn't be a problem.

Build looks good otherwise, but I'd rather wait for stamina until 22 than drop the travel power that late.


 

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Biggest problem I have so far is everyone expects me to heal . Even when I put Sonic/Sonic in my search comment. I'm enjoying it as it like a blaster that helps out the team.

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Many people sadly think of defenders as healers. However, this is luckily mostly limited to lower levels, and people will most likely appreciate you more as you get higher up.

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Should people need another defender in the team?

No.

But people rarely really work together as well as they could do and many people dont have a clue about playing to assist and never have planned to build their toon to assist some defender sets well.

Aid other maybe a useful top up to remove occasional downtime after a fight and i personally would of took all 9 powers.

For me the teams playstyle should revolve around the defense sets.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.