Tanker Stone/SS Build?


Clexeus

 

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Ok, but could you answer my questions?


 

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[...] 1) Rage does not stack [...]

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Since when?

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the dawn of time...

rage overlaps, but the effects do NOT stack. And you still end up with the 10 second downtime.

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That's funny, because back in I3 when I only had Knockout Blow 4-slotted with damage (didn't take it until L49 for some reason), I most definitely saw an increase in damage when Rage stacked (didn't see any increased damage with my 6-slotted attacks, though... *sigh* those were the days... 6-slotted attacks and Rage ...).


 

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I know that a build can not suit everyone, but the build you showed me is it a build that you would use personally to lvl 50?

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If i had a stone/ss and not a stone/stone i would yes unless i found something not quite me. I am having to combine what my stone/stone is like with what my invuln/ss is like. I have the primary and i have the secondary across 2 tanks. I have a stone/stone, fire/fire, invuln/ss and a ice/ice. I would tank with the 2nd build alot better as that suits me alot more. The ice/ice is the greatest tank so far imo.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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[...] 1) Rage does not stack [...]

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Since when?

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the dawn of time...

rage overlaps, but the effects do NOT stack. And you still end up with the 10 second downtime.

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That's funny, because back in I3 when I only had Knockout Blow 4-slotted with damage (didn't take it until L49 for some reason), I most definitely saw an increase in damage when Rage stacked (didn't see any increased damage with my 6-slotted attacks, though... *sigh* those were the days... 6-slotted attacks and Rage ...).

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And confirmed.

0x Rage:
"You Jab Fire Tarantula for 24.19 points of smashing damage."

1x Rage:
"You Jab Fire Tarantula for 43.55 points of smashing damage."

2x Rage:
"You Jab Fire Tarantula for 62.91 points of smashing damage."

The buffs definitely do stack, though it looks like the second damage buff is only half of the first, ~40%.


 

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1 x RAGE :43.55/0.2419=180% ---->80%buff

2 x RAGE :62.91/0.2419=260% ---->160%buff


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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Doh! Of course... it's based off the unbuffed base damage.


 

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Shannon can you tell my why I first should choose hasten at lvl 35 and wait with Hurl?


 

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One of the most important things to do is remain upstanding. Earths embrace offers you not just a heal but a increase in health points in order to do that. Hurl is basically there to pull AVs down to the ground etc (ie siege, diabolique) and you cant fly yourself without making yourself vulnerable to mezz attacks by being unrooted which would drop all oyur armours, so to get around this you throw a rock at them and then theyll fall down. It was simply just a case of you being more likely to need your healthpoints higher than needing to pull an AV down. Pulling an AV down helps so that scrappers that cant fly can attack and if they could fly theyll drain in endurance faster so its always better to keep an AV grounded. There is no hard and fast rule, most tankers i know have a -fly attack using air superiority just in granite hurl is the more sensible one imo as it offers you range especially as you cant jump whilst rooted. The amount of recharge is to get it to my normal recharge levels on my invulnerability where my mileage has needed it but yours may vary.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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And by the way the build is great, thank you very much for answering my questions . One last question, dont I need some powers from the earth mastery? The Epic pools?


 

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There is only a need with any epic pools if you are lacking useful tanking tools, i personally dont think /ss lacks any really unlike say /fire but even /fire has its good points.
With earth epic you get a ranged immobilisation, a ranged hold, a pbaoe mass sleep and a ranged aoe disorient.

Reasons not to take/need these effects because you are a stonetanker:

Stone Prison (ranged immobilisation): well you have an immobilisation component in mudpots and anything trying to get away can just get taunted back to you anyway.

Salt crystals (pbaoe mass sleep): your mudpots will wake them up, i see sleeps as effective if you have a disciplined team that would stop attacking just before you sleep foes and hibernate as an icetanker. Sleep against foes that are not messed protected could have their armours dropped so that the team can do that much more damage. Not that essential though as you are a stonetanker and sitting in mobs for longer periods than anyone is your forte.

Fossilise (ranged hold): great for getting sappers before they get you but you have a resist to end drain anyway so it dont matter so much, the only other reasons could be to to try to hold a psionic foe in order to sustain less damage at once and stay in granite but you do have a hold in knockout blow anyway. Any enemy with aoe stuns could be held in order to not stun any member of the team but you can avoid that by not taunting say a group of malta with people standing next to you oh hell its good to not taunt with anyone next to you as they could get hit by any amount of ranged aoes anyway.

stalagmites (ranged aoe disorient): this is actually a good power, it can add survivability to you or someone else in over their head, but once again its not a need if you play to not even need it so personally i wouldnt get 2 powers i barely need to get it.

I look at the epics for either concept or tools. Decide on whether you want to be concept built or in a realistic need of those tools.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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Once again thank you for every thing. Every Thing is clear for me now and I understand the way a Stone/SS should work. It is great. REALLY GREAT! THANKS!


 

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Well i very much doubt i have helped in every way (well i know i havent) as the final touches have to come from you, but im glad to of been of some assistance.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.