Definitely get Stamina earlier... either at 20 or 22 - unless you're going to be slotting heavily for endurance reduction.
While you do have Dark Consumption early on, I personally find it to be available too little (with 3 +3 Recharge Reduction SOs even)... and that's with Stamina.
Yep get stamina as soon as you can fit it in. I find dark consumption comes up almost as quick as i need it (slotted 2, Acc, 2 Recharge, 2 End Mod) when combined with hasten, i only have hasten with one slot in it at the moment but hopefully when i get it 3 slotted it should suffice.
Perhaps if you did a shuffle and tookhealth at 20, stamina at 22 and acrobatics at 30? Depends how much the knockback annoys you 
Ok, thanks for the advice dudes, i'll stick that in my final build 
I'd just like to add with a DM/DA you REALLY do need stamina way before 20. You have to many things running.
you can survive with out it, got a DM/DA brute to lvl 40 and never picked the fitness pool 
.... just need to slot endurance reductions in armors, attacks
and use dark shroud / soul drain to weaken mobs before attacking
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Yeah, I'd like to see that 
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oops mis-type, should be 30 as he has in his post.
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oops mis-type, should be 30 as he has in his post.
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Yes i did think that sounded abit funny (like it should be in the suggestions forum and not the brutes forum 
), got my brute to level 10 now still enjoying it (which is a first, i have stoped playing about 5 chars once getting them to 10), gonna swap around acrobatics and stamina so that i get it at 20
Yeah I did the same as you, DA/DM just eats it up because everything is a toggle.
New build
Archetype: Brute
Primary Powers - Ranged : Dark Melee
Secondary Powers - Support : Dark Armor
01 : Dark Embrace
01 : Shadow Punch
02 : Shadow Maul
04 : Murky Cloud
06 : Combat Jumping
08 : Siphon Life
10 : Obsidian Shield
12 : Swift
14 : Super Jump
16 : Health
18 : Dark Consumption
20 : Stamina
22 : Cloak of Darkness
24 : Hurdle
26 : Soul Drain
28 : Cloak of Fear
30 : Acrobatics
32 : Midnight Grasp
35 : Jump Kick
38 : Soul Transfer
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Anything else wrong with it (i realy want to make this char right )
I notice you are missing 'Smite'. A much better power than shadow punch.
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Shadow Punch recharges faster and is thus better for building Fury.
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Shadow Punch recharges faster and is thus better for building Fury.
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On the flip side... not much point in having full fury if u dont have decent attacks to back it up
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Shadow Punch recharges faster and is thus better for building Fury.
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On the flip side... not much point in having full fury if u dont have decent attacks to back it up
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I'd rather fire off Shadow Punch twice than Smite once .
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New build
Archetype: Brute
Primary Powers - Ranged : Dark Melee
Secondary Powers - Support : Dark Armor
01 : Dark Embrace
01 : Shadow Punch
02 : Shadow Maul
04 : Murky Cloud
06 : Combat Jumping
08 : Siphon Life
10 : Obsidian Shield
12 : Swift
14 : Super Jump
16 : Health
18 : Dark Consumption
20 : Stamina
22 : Cloak of Darkness
24 : Hurdle
26 : Soul Drain
28 : Cloak of Fear
30 : Acrobatics
32 : Midnight Grasp
35 : Jump Kick
38 : Soul Transfer
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Anything else wrong with it (i realy want to make this char right )
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Why do you want Hurdle? You have Combat Jumping.
Why Jump Kick at 35, surely there are better things to get ( Smite, Oppressive Gloom, Air Superiority, Dark Regeneration )
I don't think you have enough attacks, get Smite as well. Even though you may have to delay Murky Cloud to do it. Also you are missing Dark Regeneration, an awesome power that allows you to heal all your hitpoints from just 3 enemies. I'm not sure that Cloak of Darkness is really that great either, it only probvides a little bit of defence altough it does look cool.
I would probably start with Shadow Punch and Smite at 1 and 2 and get Shadow Maul at 4. You probably will have problems with endurance so I doubt you will be able to run Murky Cloud much before Stamina and Dark Consumption.
My Dark/Dark scrapper had endurance problems until about level 22 ( SOs, stamina and Dark Consumption all slotted ) to the extent that in the mid teens he was often running without his shields up.
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Shadow Punch recharges faster and is thus better for building Fury.
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I'd rather fire off Shadow Punch twice than Smite once .
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I'd rather fire off both
How bout
Archetype: Brute
Primary Powers - Ranged : Dark Melee
Secondary Powers - Support : Dark Armor
01 : Dark Embrace
01 : Shadow Punch
02 : Shadow Maul
04 : Murky Cloud
06 : Combat Jumping
08 : Siphon Life
10 : Obsidian Shield
12 : Swift
14 : Super Jump
16 : Health
18 : Dark Consumption
20 : Stamina
22 : Cloak of Darkness
24 : Smite
26 : Soul Drain
28 : Cloak of Fear
30 : Acrobatics
32 : Midnight Grasp
35 : Dark Regeneration
38 : Soul Transfer
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I cant change anything bellow level 10 because my char is already there
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I'd probably go, but it is worth playing by ear a little
12 : Smite
14 : Super Jump
16 : Swift
18 : Health
20 : Stamina
22 : Dark Consumption
24 : Dark Regeneration
26 : Acrobatics
28 : Cloak of Fear
30 : Soul Drain
32 : Midnight Grasp
Also I particularly hate knockback, so you could swap Soul Drain and Acrobatics.
How's your Fury bar doing? Because I'm sure that Brawl, Shadow Maul and Shadow Punch isn't a very smooth attack chain.
@Unthing ... Mostly on Union.
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I'd probably go, but it is worth playing by ear a little
12 : Smite
14 : Super Jump
16 : Swift
18 : Health
20 : Stamina
22 : Dark Consumption
24 : Dark Regeneration
26 : Acrobatics
28 : Cloak of Fear
30 : Soul Drain
32 : Midnight Grasp
Also I particularly hate knockback, so you could swap Soul Drain and Acrobatics.
How's your Fury bar doing? Because I'm sure that Brawl, Shadow Maul and Shadow Punch isn't a very smooth attack chain.
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I quite like that, i think i'll go with it, my fury bar aint that bad, its my endurance bar that i'm worried about
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I quite like that, i think i'll go with it, my fury bar aint that bad, its my endurance bar that i'm worried about
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On my DD scrapper I had Dark Consumption at 18 but didn't take Siphon Life. It wasn't enough to keep everything going but was suddenly more fun than always being out of endurance. Now I tend to use it occasionally. Leaving DC until 22 rather than 18 means that you will have 2 more levels of endurance pain ( 18 and 19 ) but stamina at 20 is a must and isn't worth delaying.
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I'd rather fire off Shadow Punch twice than Smite once .
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How would you do that at L1?
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erm... 
As i am not level one i suppose i will never know and the OP was level 10 at the time of posting .
lol, i was under the impression that you were only level 1 for the tut an that you hit level 2 when entering mercy.
On another note - get Smite :P i find with pretty much the same build as you at level 28 i just lack attacks. I use brawl way to much and without Smite... god i'd hate to think
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lol, i was under the impression that you were only level 1 for the tut an that you hit level 2 when entering mercy.
On another note - get Smite :P i find with pretty much the same build as you at level 28 i just lack attacks. I use brawl way to much and without Smite... god i'd hate to think
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Yea i just got smite, i'm going with unthings build atm, level 15 now , Super Jump rules
I'm making a new dark/dark brute, here is the build i'm thinking of (i will figure out what enhancments to use on the go)
Archetype: Brute
Primary Powers - Ranged : Dark Melee
Secondary Powers - Support : Dark Armor
01 : Dark Embrace
01 : Shadow Punch
02 : Shadow Maul
04 : Murky Cloud
06 : Combat Jumping
08 : Siphon Life
10 : Obsidian Shield
12 : Smite
14 : Super Jump
16 : Swift
18 : Dark Consumption
20 : Acrobatics
22 : Health
24 : Cloak of Darkness
26 : Soul Drain
28 : Cloak of Fear
30 : Stamina
32 : Midnight Grasp
35 : Hurdle
38 : Soul Transfer
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Any suggestions on this would be nice