Hmm... SS/Elec? or EM/Elec?

It's pretty hard for me to choose between those two. =/

Could anyone give me an advice?

Oh, and this is for PvP, not for PvE.

Thanks.
Jin.

That is a difficult decision. I think it will depend upon what you are planning on going against.

Stuns may work on squishies for a while in PvP, but due to the new system with diminishing returns, I'm not really sure nrg is worth it anymore. But, I have not tried an nrg in the new PvP.

Rage is just awesome, and provide the damage bonus for the pool attack powers I am sure you will take. The to-hit certainly is nice as well against defensive sets.

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It's pretty hard for me to choose between those two. =/

Could anyone give me an advice?

Oh, and this is for PvP, not for PvE.

Thanks.
Jin.

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Electric Armor is a horrible secondary for pvp, don't waste your time with it. It's actually probably the worst in pvp right now, I'd definately rank even DA above it right now even..

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That is a difficult decision. I think it will depend upon what you are planning on going against.

Stuns may work on squishies for a while in PvP, but due to the new system with diminishing returns, I'm not really sure nrg is worth it anymore. But, I have not tried an nrg in the new PvP.

Rage is just awesome, and provide the damage bonus for the pool attack powers I am sure you will take. The to-hit certainly is nice as well against defensive sets.

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=O Isn't EM still the best burst primary?



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Electric Armor is a horrible secondary for pvp, don't waste your time with it. It's actually probably the worst in pvp right now, I'd definately rank even DA above it right now even..

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=OOOO seriously? It was one of the must-have when I played =/

Is that nerfed that much or has the system changed or something? Why is that so horrible?

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That is a difficult decision. I think it will depend upon what you are planning on going against.

Stuns may work on squishies for a while in PvP, but due to the new system with diminishing returns, I'm not really sure nrg is worth it anymore. But, I have not tried an nrg in the new PvP.

Rage is just awesome, and provide the damage bonus for the pool attack powers I am sure you will take. The to-hit certainly is nice as well against defensive sets.

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=O Isn't EM still the best burst primary?



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Electric Armor is a horrible secondary for pvp, don't waste your time with it. It's actually probably the worst in pvp right now, I'd definately rank even DA above it right now even..

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=OOOO seriously? It was one of the must-have when I played =/

Is that nerfed that much or has the system changed or something? Why is that so horrible?

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Basically, ELA has only ONE real form of damage mitigation, and that's moderate +res. The problem with this is, in pvp, DR affects your resistance values pretty harshly, so not having at least some form of a "heal" to fall back on is what causes ELA to epicly phail.


In pvp, you'll be sitting at roughly 40% +res to all damage types, with tough you'll be sitting at around 50%. Sure, 40% doesn't sound too bad, even 50% sounds decent, but when you don't have a reliable form of healing (Aid Self is NOT reliable) to fall back on, your HP bar can be chewed through rather quickly. ELA doesn't even have a +HP power to make it a bit more "meaty" even. Most other sets have at least "some" sort of secondary protection to fall back on.


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FA can achieve ELA's resistance levels quite easily in pvp, AND they have a heal that grants them 50% (or more) of their HP back every 15 seconds.


Invln can also achieve roughly the same level of resistances as ELA (or more) PLUS, it has a good mix of +Defense as well, which, believe it or not, actually helps Invln in avoiding enough attacks to make it helpful. On top of all that, Invln also gets a massive Heal + HP Booster power with DP, after needing to "heal" with DP, an Invln makes himself EVEN MORE hard to kill, thanks to the massively increased HP.


DA can also achieve roughly the same resistance levels as ELA, however, they are also a mixed bag of tricks when it comes to stuns and fears. I've seen DA's be an absolute BEAST against other melee toons thanks to their PBAOE mez affects. On top of that, DA also has a built in +stealth power, as well as a MASSIVE heal which is available every 10-12 seconds and will heal you for 60ish% of your HitPoints. Sure, the heal has a "to-hit" check associated with it, but with proper slotting and IO bonuses (or rage) it's not a problem really.


Granite, is granite. Hella survivable, but you'll mostly be a taunt bot. But if that's your flavor, go for it.


As for the other sets: EA, SR, and SD, they are all mostly "defense" based sets, and thanks to the new "PvP" system, they too are quite weak in pvp now as well. However, that said, I still find that my EA, SR, and even SD Brutes STILL survive better than my ELA Brutes in pvp. Why? Because even though Defense is sorta sucky right now in pvp, it still causes enough misses to allow you to avoid a good amount of incoming damage. I've run several tests in pvp on this, and so far, the Defensive sets (especially EA and SR in their tier9 modes) survived and performed MUCH better than ELA, even when ELA was in it's tier9 mode.


Basically, the fact that ELA relies almost PURELY on it's moderate resistances for surviving damage in pvp, is what causes it to fail even more than the nerfed Defensive sets.


If the Dev's added a Dull Pain like power to ELA though, I think that'd just about fix ELA's survivability problems in both pvp and pve.

Ahhhh, I'm sorry for making you to type all that =x

Thanks a trizillion times for the info.

Guess many have been changed while I was gone =/

Any reasonable recommandation for a combination of PvP Brute?

Heard SS/FA is quite good, but.... If there is anything else xP

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Ahhhh, I'm sorry for making you to type all that =x

Thanks a trizillion times for the info.

Guess many have been changed while I was gone =/

Any reasonable recommandation for a combination of PvP Brute?

Heard SS/FA is quite good, but.... If there is anything else xP

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A very expensive and well built Invln can do good too. Other than that...you can do EA and SR and only come out when your Tier9 is up...and they do ok then


For primaries, it's basically, in order: SS, EM, and possibly SM.


That's about it though...

Well since most of my wealth is gone =/ by taking a long break from CoX while my expensive IO's and recipes being on WW/BM,(yeah it still saddens me =/) I'd have to make a cheap one.

But I don't like having a defense based brute, eeek.

Guess I'll just have to wait till I get some more infamy/drops =x

If you don't mind, can you post that "A very expensive and well built Invln" build?

Thanks for quick reply, btw. =)

Just make something paired with FA. It'll be your cheapest and actually best route. You can get amazing survivability at a fraction of the cost it'd take you to get an Invln to a respectable survivability level. The only thing FA needs is a couple extra KB IO's and a few recharge bonuses where you can fit them, and it's pretty solid after that. The only thing you'll have to worry about is end drain, but besides that you'll be set.


Be safe and go FA is my advice man. Until the dev's decide to bring the ther sets up to par.

Heh.

Okies, then =)

Thanks for your time xD

yea skip /elec for pvp. I fought one and he was in his tier 9 and i chopped him down to nothing with a couple of ET's