You don't. And unless you want to specifically spawn AVs, you can avoid them outright while being solo the entire time.
Really, some people just get too caught up in wanting to beat this game at its hardest. I think it's more fun to play at a level challenging (but not impossible) to one's self than to play to someone else's definition of challenging.
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this must be your first villain.
there are more arcs with EB's and AV's redside post 40 than anything blue side. you WILL run into them. yo uwill run into them several times just trying to unlock a patron pool.
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Not my first villain, but I don't have any post-40 characters, period. I don't try to rush my toons to 40 like so many others who treat everything before that as the preliminaries. I think anything past is pretty fun to play, and tapers off around 40 by virtue of all the tier 9 madness.
Having said all of that, why do I need to be able to *solo* AV's? I'll just team up with friends.
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um..rush?
you've been playing off and on since 2005 - 4 years - and have no characters over 40? not even one?
you arent just not rushing, you've gone to the extreme opposite of the spectrum
hold your opinion of how masterminds play until you've played them doing grandville arcs 40+
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You don't. And unless you want to specifically spawn AVs, you can avoid them outright while being solo the entire time.
Really, some people just get too caught up in wanting to beat this game at its hardest. I think it's more fun to play at a level challenging (but not impossible) to one's self than to play to someone else's definition of challenging.
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you'll still get EB's, which are not necessarily that much easier.
ghost widow and dr. quaxtrin as eb's are still extremely deadly.
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So, how viable is necro/FF?
I was thinking about trying a necro/traps build. But honestly, Traps is a complete mystery to me. Tried it on a corrupter and lost interest around the time I got the FFG. In terms of cool toys it seemed pretty heavily backloaded. Then again, a corruptor and a MM are pretty different, so maybe traps will do the trick.
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do you want to solo av's?
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Honestly? (mini-rant warning ahead)
Why should I want to solo an AV? Please, somebody enlighten me. I really have no clue why there is non-stop talk about this subject. It just sounds like an irrelevant gimmick that's been blow up into the end-all, be-all of character greatness. Maybe there's something to it I'm just missing.
I've read some of these threads. To solo an AV, there's a very cut-and-dried formula. We know why FF doesn't work well and DM, Traps, and Poison do. It's very unlikely most of the people who do so are coming up with a build that hasn't already been done, so for them, zero points for creativity. And since the capabilities essential to shutting down an AV--namely, hefty anti-regen effects--don't carry over to the way you fight the other 99% of battles, it's not a true metric of overall power.
So, in a practical sense, what's the big whoop? Some neat badge or prize you get for doing 100% of the damage to an AV? Once I have the answer to that, I'll ponder whether or not I want to spend time taking down an AV.
Otherwise, the practical considerations mainly have to do with handling door mishes smoothly.
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this must be your first villain.
there are more arcs with EB's and AV's redside post 40 than anything blue side. you WILL run into them. yo uwill run into them several times just trying to unlock a patron pool.
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And the question is still very valid. Why have a build that can solo an AV, when a build that can handle the EB scaled version is more practical?
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many eb's arent exactly that much easier than a t ypical AV
widdershins and biff as eb's are tough if you have no reliable regen debuffs. the bots primary one on it's own isnt enough
it also depends on your definition of mm play - some people thin that replacing your pets as fast as the powers recharge is normal. i sure as hell dont
no. if you want to be able to solo positron as an eb, you will have to actually try to play the game.
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You don't. And unless you want to specifically spawn AVs, you can avoid them outright while being solo the entire time.
Really, some people just get too caught up in wanting to beat this game at its hardest. I think it's more fun to play at a level challenging (but not impossible) to one's self than to play to someone else's definition of challenging.
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you'll still get EB's, which are not necessarily that much easier.
ghost widow and dr. quaxtrin as eb's are still extremely deadly.
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Ghost widow, dangerous as an EB? I loled. When I fought her for my patron arc she went down easy. Then again I had 6 poison traps stacked right where she'd spawn, had my pets set up there, and had the oni buffed with nox gas... THEN I used the blinkie. She got slept right away, her end got nuked for the moment, then she spent the rest of the fight vomiting from nox gas.
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
Madam Enigma's History
Heh, I can beat most any sig hero/villain as an EB. It may be hard, and I may end up resummoning frequently (and ODing on lucks) but I have done it. Posi gave me less trouble then Miss Liberty actually. Valkyrie also was a pain due to her ranged targeted aoe. Thought she's suppose to be melee?!
"The danger is not that a particular class is unfit to govern. Every class is unfit to govern." Lord Acton
Madam Enigma's History
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this must be your first villain.
there are more arcs with EB's and AV's redside post 40 than anything blue side. you WILL run into them. yo uwill run into them several times just trying to unlock a patron pool.
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Not my first villain, but I don't have any post-40 characters, period. I don't try to rush my toons to 40 like so many others who treat everything before that as the preliminaries. I think anything past is pretty fun to play, and tapers off around 40 by virtue of all the tier 9 madness.
Having said all of that, why do I need to be able to *solo* AV's? I'll just team up with friends.
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um..rush?
you've been playing off and on since 2005 - 4 years - and have no characters over 40? not even one?
you arent just not rushing, you've gone to the extreme opposite of the spectrum
hold your opinion of how masterminds play until you've played them doing grandville arcs 40+
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Pfah. Nonsense. There's more to the game than the endgame. Why should I "hold my opinion" about the rest of the game that I do enjoy?
And to heck with this spectrum you speak of. People play at a pace that they enjoy. Most of my game time was spent soloing in a pre-CoV environment. Not only no AE, but no newspapers or radios. After doing all the door missions that contacts offered, it was often necessary to streetsweep to ding. I remember 19th level toons crowding The Land of the Lost in Skyway and cursing each other for claim-jumping spawns, simply because there were no other real options (no Striga, for instance). Streetsweeping now is considered...quaint. Folks don't know how good they got it
My highest level toon rarely sees action. He's not as much fun to play. All the options available to him boil down to Aim + Rain of Arrows when teaming and laying Trip Mines when he's soloing. Everything else is just mop up. So, with most builds that's what I have to look forward to at high levels: tier 9 powers overturning the apple cart (apparently to the extent that the only big challenge is soloing an enemy that was designed to be fought with an entire team). That's why I'm attracted to the MM, as I hope it offers a sane degree of advancement.
But if it makes you happy, Jupiter, maybe I should just go PL a Fire/Kin controller just to say I have an OTT level 50 lying around gathering dust. 
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Lots of great advice. Thanks!
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You got the most important aspect, right? That you only cast each upgrade once and it affects all pets now. It uses a lot more end, but it's not too bad. Typically, I cast all 3 tiers, then equip, then upgrade. Sometimes upgrade has to wait a few seconds. No big deal.
It does become more of an issue later if you want to refill some dwindling pets during a battle because you still have to cast all that mana, er, cast all that endurance even if you're just recreating 1 minion.
"Hey! You knocked generic cola all over your precious D20 books!"
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this must be your first villain.
there are more arcs with EB's and AV's redside post 40 than anything blue side. you WILL run into them. yo uwill run into them several times just trying to unlock a patron pool.
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Not my first villain, but I don't have any post-40 characters, period. I don't try to rush my toons to 40 like so many others who treat everything before that as the preliminaries. I think anything past is pretty fun to play, and tapers off around 40 by virtue of all the tier 9 madness.
Having said all of that, why do I need to be able to *solo* AV's? I'll just team up with friends.
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um..rush?
you've been playing off and on since 2005 - 4 years - and have no characters over 40? not even one?
you arent just not rushing, you've gone to the extreme opposite of the spectrum
hold your opinion of how masterminds play until you've played them doing grandville arcs 40+
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Pfah. Nonsense. There's more to the game than the endgame. Why should I "hold my opinion" about the rest of the game that I do enjoy?
And to heck with this spectrum you speak of. People play at a pace that they enjoy. Most of my game time was spent soloing in a pre-CoV environment. Not only no AE, but no newspapers or radios. After doing all the door missions that contacts offered, it was often necessary to streetsweep to ding. I remember 19th level toons crowding The Land of the Lost in Skyway and cursing each other for claim-jumping spawns, simply because there were no other real options (no Striga, for instance). Streetsweeping now is considered...quaint. Folks don't know how good they got it
My highest level toon rarely sees action. He's not as much fun to play. All the options available to him boil down to Aim + Rain of Arrows when teaming and laying Trip Mines when he's soloing. Everything else is just mop up. So, with most builds that's what I have to look forward to at high levels: tier 9 powers overturning the apple cart (apparently to the extent that the only big challenge is soloing an enemy that was designed to be fought with an entire team). That's why I'm attracted to the MM, as I hope it offers a sane degree of advancement.
But if it makes you happy, Jupiter, maybe I should just go PL a Fire/Kin controller just to say I have an OTT level 50 lying around gathering dust.
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you're a joke
plevel a fire/kin? i'm sorry, but i really dont give a rat's [censored] about heroes.
1) villain 40+ content is harder than hero side. heroes dont have 90% of their missions filled with spawns where the lt's drop -40% resist grenades, the minions toss aoe -800% regen grenades and the bosses and eb's will sonic cage/detention field you and kill your support/pets. heroes dont fight bosses and an ENTIRE FACTION where every mob has 300%+ regeneration - where if you let that lt run it will come back in a few seconds at full health. and that's jut the tip of the iceberg
2) plevel a fire/kin? i have plevelled NONE of my characters in the AE. not a one. i havent plevelled a single character in the tv missions. NOT. A. ONE. in 5 years i have only 15 months of actual paid time on my oldest account and yet i could find the time to get at least one char to 50. it's not our fault you have ADD or are lazy or simply cant hack what is one of the easiest to play mmorpg's on the market. maybe free realms is more to your style?
you come into this thread an whine about changes when you dont even have clue 1 about how this game really plays, nor have you even experienced the real meat of villainside dev created content - which is mostly 40+ and in grandville. you dont get to sit there and tell me that you are taking your time to see all of the content when you are seeing only a small fraction of what's available. you havent fought positron or biff or widdershins or dr. quaxtren or even learned about the real storyline behind your character and lord recluse's plans for you because you havent gotten to that content yet.
so go ahead, plevel your fire/kin. i would rather people like you stayed blue side, sitting around atlas whinging for an ae mission. i prefer the smaller pbase with a higher % of skilled players present redside and there's no room for you.
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this must be your first villain.
there are more arcs with EB's and AV's redside post 40 than anything blue side. you WILL run into them. yo uwill run into them several times just trying to unlock a patron pool.
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Not my first villain, but I don't have any post-40 characters, period. I don't try to rush my toons to 40 like so many others who treat everything before that as the preliminaries. I think anything past is pretty fun to play, and tapers off around 40 by virtue of all the tier 9 madness.
Having said all of that, why do I need to be able to *solo* AV's? I'll just team up with friends.