Whitmoore Apartments : OOC


Averick

 

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All right. I guess like the 2-6 our thread sorta needed an OOC spot. Seems like a natural extension especially since it's starting to get cluttered up in there.

Anyways...


So. Devious. I'm having some trouble here. And I am only speaking directly of myself.

And it's quite a conundrum because frankly I find you imaginative. I must say that some of your writing has been surprising, in a positive way, odd things out of the blue that do give a good chuckle, a nice twist [of the year]. Some good contributions in your own style.

The problem though for me is that you wield your ideas like a [censored] hammer.

Time and again your characters appear out of the blue, and wade through developing plot concepts like a goddamned bull in a china shop. You thwart absolutely everyone's attempts at redirection. It's nice to have a devious mind that can write fanciful excuses as to why our ideas are not as effective as yours, but frankly this is and always has been a community writing project. Eventually this cleverness becomes a frustrating and unacceptable impediment to inclusion. While I have complaints that pertain directly to my few developed characters I was rather particularly pissed off recently at your total disregard for Jen8/Penny's attempt at hacking the assault bot in the PU thread - which also, btw, was horribly redirected, and for what purpose?

Penny's character is some kind of awesome computer hacker. Even in your own Anomalous thread. But suddenly an elaborate thwart is offered as to why she can't even pop a dumb servant robot? When it appeared obvious that SHE wanted to participate somehow by grabbing a reason for our inescapable imprisonment? Because not a SINGLE ONE OF US knew nor understood why we were even there?

And as I mentioned there, in a plot twist that served no purpose and had been, by GROUP statement, judged not useful, and distracting - yet it lasted another 10+ pages of frustration and pointless inquiry/effort? Only to be unplugged by you alone in a manner that really answered no question. Oh, and btw, we're all mind wiped?

But back to the Whitmoore.

I really didn't want you interfering in my interrogation. As in, at all. The subplot that Eric will discover some kind of connection between Frost and Quo, in classic THAT'S MY SISTER/LUKE I AM YOUR FATHER comic style, has been waiting forEVER to get going. Yet, I am already being told that no matter what, Lobo won't be allowed to spill the beans. So why am I bothering?

Really. Is it even your character? I am busy waiting for a very occupied Zeta to even contribute once since our brief tussle, mutually and happily agreed on, and already I am braced for Vytchwhatsit to swoop in and rescue him and void any effort I've put out. Able to read minds, plus run his Impervium-wearing puppet Zed fleshbot miles away simultaneously, plus attack a scrapper one on one?

What is Big V's in game power set? I mean, exactly. What TWO power sets does he possess, since we know his travel power is flight? Let him be a platinum all you want, as Im sure that's what he is already.

Because this thread has always attempted to maintain a credible game tie-in to mechanics. Always. EVERYONE has a weakness. If not several. While there are variations on powers and granted, methods of telepathy tend to sprout up as ways to communicate and warn and save lives, they [or others] do not become new power sets that appear out of nowhere and are infallible. Because that simply isn't how it works. Explain things in the context of the game and there's no problem, because rock scissor paper match, someone's going to thwart YOU too.

The God Moding is simply getting tiresome. I've nearly dropped out of both threads simply because I get nothing done while two or three non-standard non-game-mechanic strangers come smashing through anything I post like Godzilla with answers for everything. Elaborate answers, flowery-worded answers, but unexplainable unresistable answers all the same. Godzillas that present an unstoppable opponent, then come in with another who shoves the rest of us aside and saves the day.

No. It ain't about just you. You have your Anomalous thread if you want to run all the details. That's your baby. And it's a good one. But it's flooded way too far into this one. And this is the commune's baby.

At this point of my life I am beyond taking things quietly to PMs. I prefer to not sneak around nor be politically correct all the live long day while being trampled simultaneously. If anyone disagrees, great, please say so so it can be discussed. It is, in fact the high hour for discussion because I mentally pay half my sub fee to this game just to write in this forum.

And I would prefer to not compromise my own writing integrity by simply asserting that I pop one of each type of Inspiration at every move just to counter being thwarted in how I'd like MY part of the plot to go.

Because I'm [censored] better than that.

rant off. And in the words of the mediocre Chevy Chase, holy [censored], where's the Tylenol.

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Discuss.


 

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Cool. Thanks for your feedback. I'll take it into consideration in my writing.

PCU you're definitely right. Now that that part's over, I can say that I was originally working on a plot with Jennifer that would both advance her character's recovery from what she'd encountered, as well as reveal what Pacem was, and get Samhein a little closer to Portal Corporation to advance his mission if he chose.

Yes, it didn't work out, and you're right it was because I chose a much too static environment. That much I've already figured out, and if I do ever do something like that again, it won't be for a long, long time.

As for mind-wiped, not really. I just haven't gotten around to summing up events that would've brought them back in a way that's ambiguous enough for people to see who did what without me directly controlling anyone. Actually, I'm not at all comfortable taking control of other peoples' personal characters to begin with, but this time things were really going nowhere, and I'd already had people requesting an end already.

You're right that it wasn't the right kind of setting to put there, and was much too heavy-handed. I completely understand your frustration, and I do apologize for causing it. I have no excuse. I thought it would be cool, it wasn't, end of story.

As for the Whitmoore...

Harrier, seriously - why didn't you just say so? If you'd just given me a heads-up that this was to be just between Zeta and you, I could've invented any number of reasons for Big V not to be the protective teammate.

I think my edit time on my last post with him may not have expired yet, so let me go check on that and we'll see what we can do.

As for sticking to just the context of the game, there I have to disagree though. I do try to write things in terms of 'powers' as often as I can, but I write here to not be restricted by the game's mechanics. My characters all have multiple weaknesses, but they're not quantified by 'damage type X', and I have no intention of changing this. If this upsets you, then I'm sorry, but I prefer to keep things more as they would be if this were a real-world environment.

Edit: yup, button worked. Harrier and Lobo are sun-eater-free, so at least I could do that much.


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I predict this will go nowhere constructive and you'll just see a massive post by Devious proving that it's all your fault.

HA! I called it first!


 

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Damn, four minutes late...


 

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If this upsets you, then I'm sorry, but I prefer to keep things more as they would be if this were a real-world environment.

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Wait... what?

What does a real world environment have to do with your characters constantly being more powerful than GOD himself?

Numerous weaknesses? Like 15 types of Cheese from the planet Zorbidden on the other end of the univers that no one even knows about?

Oh, I see, you're just immune to all damage. Oh well, then, here I thought you god modded all the time. Your characters just so happen to have bathed in the sacred Monk pool of Kvah, so they can walk through the map without drawing aggro from whatever bad guy we're dealing with. They all have undefined game powers that spring into existence whenever that allow them to [ALL THE WHILE THEY'RE UNDETECTABLE AND UNSTOPPABLE, DON'T FORGET] see anything, know anything and you just happen to have in your bag the very thing required to save the day while all of the other PCs efforts are fruitless ala you.

Yes, please, don't refrain from this in the future. It adds character. It's so realistic.

GOD THANK YOU HARRIER for finally saying it. I thought I was taking crazy pills. It's like he's trying to RP a lvl 75 character in a game that caps at 50. I could provide endless examples of this, but I don't have to, because he does.

And when asked to ratchet it down... well... you can see how that goes. Realism? REALISM?


 

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Damn, four minutes late...

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Quick enough to get a dagger past your guard, old man


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Smart enough, smart a$$. And I'm no william wallace. If william wallace were here, he'd consume the English with lighting from his eyes, and fireballs from his [censored]. Oh no he wouldn't because they'd all be grounded and fire proof, and we'd have to have Devious come through and realistically kick them all in the head with one kick, all 2000 of them.


 

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I predict this will go nowhere constructive and you'll just see a massive post by Devious proving that it's all your fault.

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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see anywhere in Devious's post that says anything was Harrier's fault.


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Averick, considering you've never bothered to try and figure out one of my characters, I'm not surprised you take that kind of attitude. Frankly, to me you appear like the kid who says he doesn't like something before ever trying it.

I don't define characters in levels, 'power', or anything else of that nature. All I consider them as is people. If you can't deal with people as they would be in a realistic setting, then I truly feel sorry for you, but...wait no, you've repeatedly said you've made your peace with that, so I'm not going to bother anymore.


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*looks around*

I don't see any realistic setting if we've got people possessed by dark spirits, angels trapped in crystals and metal dragons.

I can see how the character's personality can be portrayed realistically, but how can any of the other stuff be real? We're superheroes in a fictional city that was ravaged by aliens! Go us!! ^_^

This isn't me ganging up or asking for you to constrain your characters or anything, but maybe leaving the word 'realistic' out might be a good idea. *winks*



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See, I'm not even going to TOUCH this one.

Which makes sense. I'm not part of the Whitmoore thread.

So the point of this post was. Uh.

I'll take a rain-check on that.


 

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*looks around*

I don't see any realistic setting if we've got people possessed by dark spirits, angels trapped in crystals and metal dragons.

I can see how the character's personality can be portrayed realistically, but how can any of the other stuff be real? We're superheroes in a fictional city that was ravaged by aliens! Go us!! ^_^

This isn't me ganging up or asking for you to constrain your characters or anything, but maybe leaving the word 'realistic' out might be a good idea. *winks*

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Oh no, I understand where you're coming from perfectly there. And I really wish I had another word for it. But 'realistic' is the closest thing in the English language that I've found to convey what I mean here.

I really don't know how else to say 'acted upon in the manner of the general trends obeyed by the physical world that you and I occupy'. Gravity only attracts, action-reaction always come in pairs, heat flows from more to less, etc. To me, following those guidelines is what 'realistic' means.

If you can suggest another term though, I'd sure appreciate it. That little word always seems to cause the biggest ruckus.


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I'd like to suggest one. "God moding".

No, really, explain to me why it's realistic that a sword would cut clean through a barrier that an archmage throws up in a world where that archmage can punish up to four or five average super heroes?

Explain to me how it's realistic that Cleave, a spirit bound to a sword, can suddenly thwart archmages attempts to detect that he's spying on them?

I want to know how realism plays into this. Enlighten me.

And stop trying to write for my characters. You don't know anything about me, what I've done or not done with regards to your characters and what you've said doesn't make any sense.

You act as if I'm prejudice against you for some reason (other than you're a god moder). Well I'm not. I looked at your posts as best I could.

When I see your character ignore a poison dart attack because you feel that poison darts wouldn't penetrate a leather jacket "in a realistic setting" I laugh.

A 1 FPS dart wouldn't penetrate 5 solid feet of leather. However, a 1300 fps titanium strength dart would penetrate 5 inches of leather, pretty easily. So what strength dart was fired at your character? Oh, the 1FPS dart right? Because well, even though this whole thing is based off of a game, realistically, you're uber.

You're just plain better than everyone else, aren't you? You're characters are all stronger, all the time, in every way. OOOOH, that's really dramatic. You wade through enemies hip deep never once suffering any damage. Awesome!

You win TEH intarwebz!

When are you going to sit down like an adult and stop being so hyper defensive and have an honest conversation that doesn't involve one time attacking the people you feel are attacking you?

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Harrier, seriously - why didn't you just say so? If you'd just given me a heads-up that this was to be just between Zeta and you, I could've invented any number of reasons for Big V not to be the protective teammate.

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See!? All he had to do was ask.

Seriously, you're an enabler. I know you think you're helping, but you're not. I get you're his friend, but you need to let him grow up some. This has been going on for a long time. It has NOTHING to do with realism and EVERYTHING to do with god moding. Once that veil is torn down as well, MAYBE we'll get him to see that we're really just concerned with a little balance.

Devious: I've tried several times to have a reasonable conversation, but you're just too defensive. I say "hey, you're a little too loud" and you say "YOU'RE TOO LOUD!! TAKE THAT!!"

It goes nowhere, because there's no constructive criticism so well worded that it's strong enough for him to see the problem is actually a problem and so lightly worded that he doesn't feel attacked and lash out.

So, yeah, how bout we just beat you up with sticks until you settle down some?

My next character in any RP you start is going to be living unobtainium, and he's going to pound all of your bad guys to pulp, be completely immune to all attacks of any variety because, well, he's entirely unobtainium, and we all know you can't mind control metal, he's not magnetic, he's immune to heat and cold damage, can't be corroded, bullets bounce off, and unobtainium is magic proof.

So yeah, be prepared for unobtainium man. Did I mention he also can teleport anywhere in the multiverse and beyond and can instantly know what bad guys are thinking at all times no matter how hard they try to conceal their thoughts?

I mean, it's only realistic.


 

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Seriously, you're an enabler. I know you think you're helping, but you're not. I get you're his friend, but you need to let him grow up some. This has been going on for a long time. It has NOTHING to do with realism and EVERYTHING to do with god moding. Once that veil is torn down as well, MAYBE we'll get him to see that we're really just concerned with a little balance.

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I won't say his characters aren't anywhere from a little to ridiculously overpowered depending on which one you look at, because to be honest they are. It doesn't bother me. The only thing that really bothers me in an RP is people trying to railroad people into a situation they want to happen despite any and all attempts, whether successful or not, to get off the train. And you and Devious are both guilty of that at times, from my point of view at least.

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No, really, explain to me why it's realistic that a sword would cut clean through a barrier that an archmage throws up in a world where that archmage can punish up to four or five average super heroes?

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My broadsword scrapper does that all the time. Ditto for my Dual Blades stalker. It's called Build Up.

One hit - fine. Three or four hits maybe not so much.

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You wade through enemies hip deep never once suffering any damage. Awesome!

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I seem to remember a certain elderly archmage somehow getting to the end of a CoT cave without a scratch on him, then having a pleasant chat with a boss who by all rights shouldn't do anything other than attack on sight.

Later, that same character ran back through those same tunnels with. in your own words, 'about seventy Circle of Thorns' chasing him. Despite being a blaster and thus rather squishy, he survived.

Just saying, can't really [censored] at Devious for doing something with his character that your own character did not too long ago.


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Well, I wander off to commute home and lookit.

Well, thank you at least for the rewrite.

Hey look, if this is your freedom space, well, nothing I can do. Just explaining the premise that seemed to have been taken up by everyone from the beginning [that Paragon physics were the 'realism'], so that we don't wind up with the DC Ultimate universe where everyone's single power is set to Ungodly or everyone can be an ARAC [the thing that destroyed D&D, thank you very much].

The struggle with using limited power is part of the charm. If people become frustrated facing Dev-like bosses at a all the important turns, eventually quality's gonna suffer. And none of us are squeamish, and, the brackets have been showing up some, lately.

Just saying.

And shaddup Averick! Aren't you dead?


 

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And shaddup Averick! Aren't you dead?

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I had a Funeral for him the Tuesday before last after he was declared legally dead. His body never showed up for the wake. Apparently, it didn't take.

He has really poor taste, not showing up for his own funeral.

The cake was great though. Had "HE'S DEAD! HE'S DEAD!" written on it in pick frosting.


 

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That’s it.

Mama J is in the house and everyone will sit down and shut up. Now!

Averick – you go sit in your corner, and Devious in the other. Do not speak to each other, don’t look at each other and do not make any faces. One peep and you’re both grounded!

I have to get up in a little more than 6 hours to go to work, where instead of doing what I love (like my job title says) I have to deal with a back-stabbing, conniving [censored] who likes to claim my work as her own. I don’t know about you, but that sounds like plenty of [censored] real life drama. I don’t need it here.

We’re supposed to create drama for our characters, not for each other and this has gone on for far too long.

I always try to let things play out – and in most cases, it works for the better. But, just because I’m not the ‘owner’ of any of these threads, doesn’t mean that your actions don’t affect me. I have over two years invested – almost daily – in these threads. And I love it.

For the both of you to bicker so constantly about this is just plain, damn ridiculous.

Devious – a lot of your characters come across as omniscient or all-powerful. If they have weaknesses – SHOW THEM! That’s what I love about your character Jade. I have seen – and more importantly, MY CHARACTER has seen – his weakness! That’s realistic.

Averick-stop egging on the fight! We already all know your stance with Devious and his characters. Enough already!

I am ashamed of this behavior. Especially in light of the small fact that it’s in a public forum! No one person should have to ask permission to do something with their own character, and no one should have to tell everyone their plans. The uncertainty of what might be coming is part of the enjoyment we all share with writing here. (At least, I thought we all shared it…)

And everyone should be able to adjust their plan just in case their post does go against someone else’s plan – whether or not it was previously disclosed.

Now, please. For my sanity…

Enough…



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The only thing that really bothers me in an RP is people trying to railroad people into a situation they want to happen despite any and all attempts, whether successful or not, to get off the train. And you and Devious are both guilty of that at times, from my point of view at least.

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What? That’s an honest question. I’ve never, to my knowledge, done that, so I’m curious what you’re talking about.

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At the end of the tunnel, Chorstis would've done well to cast a teleportation spell right now if he had one. Otherwise, Cleave would be through him in a matter of seconds, whether or not he put up a protective field to try and prevent that - and outrunning that thing just wasn't in the cards.

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Which, to my knowledge, was nothing more than an attempt to warn whoever was writing for Chorstis that any attempt at defense would be futile. I don’t see how it adds to the story, is descriptive of the events, or is in any way role playing. It just seems to be an entire paragraph dedicated to explaining that there’s nothing Chorstis could do to defend himself. He then goes on to write for Chorstis, making Kasoh have to go back and rewrite a scene as an illusion.

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My broadsword scrapper does that all the time. Ditto for my Dual Blades stalker. It's called Build Up.

One hit - fine. Three or four hits maybe not so much.

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Well, there’s hit and do damage, and there’s hit and the fight’s over. The way Devious wrote it, the only reason Chorstis was even still standing was because he was impaled on his sword. Fight over, interrogation beginning. He was about to drag him back for questioning when… Kasoh actually wrote for his own character and Devious was confused. What, wait, how’s that possible?

I know this might come as a shock to you, but I’ve played the game before. I’m aware of build up and aim. I don’t one shot same level bosses with 6 slotted damage with build up and assassin’s strike, see, cause the game’s balanced to make bosses have so many hp, that you really can’t just one shot them. Don’t get me wrong, you can mess up their day, or double snipe them, but no one is so uber that they can take out a boss in one shot. Would it have hurt him to write a pitched battle? Would his fingers have bled?

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I seem to remember a certain elderly archmage somehow getting to the end of a CoT cave without a scratch on him, then having a pleasant chat with a boss who by all rights shouldn't do anything other than attack on sight.

Later, that same character ran back through those same tunnels with. in your own words, 'about seventy Circle of Thorns' chasing him. Despite being a blaster and thus rather squishy, he survived.

Just saying, can't really [censored] at Devious for doing something with his character that your own character did not too long ago.

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Running… fighting… two different things. In the game I can run through an entire map in tunnels with eye of the magus on and the wedding ring temp power and never take enough damage to make my bar go down significantly. In the RP, if you’ll bother to read it, Mystic has been popping potions (ie blues and greens for him) since the start, and is now battered, bruised and bleeding waiting for the cavalry charge to come to an end so he can finish his exodus.

Super uber Mystic, couldn’t even be bothered to finish his own fight, and in an attempt to do nothing more than flee, was cut off by the enemy and very nearly had to retreat down a scary passage way. If the rest of the party hadn’t intervened when they did, he would have had to run to avoid death. So yeah, I’m so uber and so are all of my characters. Meanwhile, some chick is kicking the crap out of Riley in his own apartment. Oh yeah, I do the same thing all the time.

We’re not talking about me. What you’re engaged in now is misdirection. If you want to talk about me, you don’t need to put it up in a public forum, you can just PM me. I’m reasonable. I’ll listen to you and we’ll work something out.

The reason we’re here… hold on…

Siekon! – eyes over here a second, hon.

The reason we’re here is because we’ve tried the whole “hey Devious” in PM thing before and it gets wildly out of hand rapidly. So be embarrassed if you have to, come to me and tell me how I’m wrong if you like, or even guilty of the same stuff, that’s fine, or even don’t read it. If progress is to be made, people must be allowed to discuss things. That’s not always pretty, it’s not always nice, it’s not always YOUR idea of mature and constructive. This is because people don’t all think like you.

So my apologies if this offends, but telling people to stop talking or stop arguing or to devalue interaction by referring to it as “bickering” or “childish” isn’t constructive. It makes you the antagonist, and presupposes your position regarding discourse is the superior one from which you’re handing down lofty judgments of other people’s behavior.

This is all in a public thread because the public has a right to have a say on this. People, and I mean everyone who’s had experience with this, should have a say in what’s going on. Yes, my position is well known in general, but there’s specifics people don’t know that really color my opinion.

Three people have spoken to me in private about Devious. They all say the same thing. The god moding is out of control and he’s really creative.

I agree on both accounts. Trying to “calm this down” is exactly the opposite of what needs to happen. Discouraging others to add their voices to this is exactly the opposite of what needs to happen. Devious needs to see that it’s not just 1 or 2 people who hate him personally for no reason and who are attacking his writing. He needs to see that while we laud his creativity, the god moding is out of hand and needs to be SERIOUSLY reigned in.


 

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I won't say his characters aren't anywhere from a little to ridiculously overpowered depending on which one you look at, because to be honest they are. It doesn't bother me. The only thing that really bothers me in an RP is people trying to railroad people into a situation they want to happen despite any and all attempts, whether successful or not, to get off the train. And you and Devious are both guilty of that at times, from my point of view at least.

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You are correct, I am indeed. I more than clearly saw what my behavior crated in PCU, hence my decision to stop there - because it had gone too far. However, this is something I'm trying to better myself on, so don't give up hope on me just yet please.

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Hey look, if this is your freedom space, well, nothing I can do. Just explaining the premise that seemed to have been taken up by everyone from the beginning [that Paragon physics were the 'realism'], so that we don't wind up with the DC Ultimate universe where everyone's single power is set to Ungodly or everyone can be an ARAC [the thing that destroyed D&D, thank you very much].

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Actually, there is. Since the real Vyachslav is a lot more of a wise guy then his counterpart that I write here, he has suggested the following: I have been assuming. And he's correct. I have been assuming. Very much.

What I mean is that every time I see references to sticking to the game, I see literally that - levels, damage types, numbers - which maybe I shouldn't. So I'm going to toss out that assumption and ask you here, Harrier: what specifically do you mean when you say 'Paragon physics'? Please explain it to me thoroughly, because I'd really like to know. Maybe it's not what I had assumed after all, or maybe it is and we can find a compromise. We'll see.

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Averick – you go sit in your corner, and Devious in the other. Do not speak to each other, don’t look at each other and do not make any faces. One peep and you’re both grounded!

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Peep?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Devious – a lot of your characters come across as omniscient or all-powerful. If they have weaknesses – SHOW THEM! That’s what I love about your character Jade. I have seen – and more importantly, MY CHARACTER has seen – his weakness! That’s realistic.

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You know, actually, I'd really like to...but thus far, there just hasn't been a point in the threads for those other characters' weaknesses to come up.

For instance, something that will stop Cleave dead, and thus can be considered one of his greatest weaknesses, is a simple web grenade. A tier1 secondary power. In my context, those webs don't just 'wear off', they actually have to be removed somehow - and when Cleave can't get loose from the ground, he can't cut them. Essentially, while his 'health bar' is not depleted (which in my context doesn't exist), he is very much 'defeated' until someone or something frees him form the webbing - a 'rez', if you will.

However, it just hasn't come up. No attempt to 'stick the annoying sword to the nearest surface' has. And if it doesn't come up, how am I supposed to show it? Just in OOC? I don't know if I'm comfortable with that. I'm used to people asking questions about weaknesses during fights, and figuring them out IC, like:

"The hero knew Dr. Horrible's personal force field was nigh-impenetrable, and he had little chance of actually getting through. Still, it had to have a weakness. It just had to - but what was it...?"

Maybe I'm just some relic from the old days of this board section, I dunno. It's just what I'd gotten used to, so I have to admit I was kind of dismayed when many of the people who did this left, and most of the new people didn't figure and ask anymore...they just seemed to want to know my characters' weaknesses up-front.

I mean...if that's really what yalls want, I guess I can change that. It'd take me a while to get over probably, since IMO it takes a good bit of mystery and challenge away. Personally, one of my happiest moments with Vyachslav in the Whitmoore was when Wolffe figured out that the big guy could be detected by smell - something I hadn't even hinted at - and acted upon it with his character Fenris. I loved that part. I really did. Someone pitting their wits against what I presented them with, and overcoming through some common sense and street-smart brainpower.

But like I said...if you guys want me to put out weak points in OOC...I'll do it. I really don't want you to see my characters as insurmountable because, well, they're not. They're just different.

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No one person should have to ask permission to do something with their own character, and no one should have to tell everyone their plans. The uncertainty of what might be coming is part of the enjoyment we all share with writing here. (At least, I thought we all shared it…)

And everyone should be able to adjust their plan just in case their post does go against someone else’s plan – whether or not it was previously disclosed.

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My opinion too, and sorry again for crashing in like that with you and Wolffe and not having an exit prepared. But I learned from it, made sure I had an exit for the next time it happened, and now that Harrier has told me that I was interrupting his plans with Zeta, I made use of it.


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Wait, Cleave's a sword, why would [SERIOUS QUESTION HERE] he not just be able to cut through the bonds?

And why would webbing work and not say, the ground grabbing him, or dark tendrils or anything like that?