A Guide for Perception/Stealth in PvP (UPDATED)
By
ArchDemonKnight,
Posted on: 2008-08-29 13:47 in Player Guides
Stealth/Perception Caps(All values in feet)
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Level Stealth cap Stealth cap Stealth cap Perception cap Perception cap
(Non-Stalker Stalker SoA (Non-SoA) SoA
or SoA)
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1 400.0 480.0 440.0 490.0 499.8
2 403.5 488.2 445.9 498.2 508.7
3 407.0 500.6 454.4 510.6 513.1
4 410.5 513.1 461.8 523.1 536.2
5 414.0 525.8 469.9 535.8 550.3
6 417.5 542.8 480.1 552.8 569.4
7 421.0 568.4 494.7 578.4 598.6
8 424.5 594.3 509.4 604.3 628.5
9 428.0 620.6 524.3 630.6 659.0
10 431.5 647.3 539.4 657.3 690.2
11 435.0 674.3 554.6 684.3 721.9
12 438.5 701.6 570.1 711.6 754.3
13 442.0 729.3 585.7 739.3 787.4
14 445.5 757.4 602.4 767.4 821.1
15 449.0 785.8 617.4 795.8 855.4
16 452.5 814.5 632.8 824.5 890.5
17 456.0 843.6 649.8 853.6 926.2
18 459.5 873.1 666.3 883.1 962.6
19 463.0 902.9 682.9 912.9 999.6
20 466.5 933.0 699.8 943.0 1037.3
21 470.0 940.0 705.0 950.0 1045.0
22 473.5 947.0 710.25 957.0 1052.7
23 477.0 954.0 715.5 964.0 1060.4
24 480.5 961.0 720.75 971.0 1068.1
25 484.0 968.0 726.0 978.0 1075.8
26 487.5 975.0 731.25 985.0 1083.5
27 491.0 982.0 736.5 992.0 1091.2
28 494.5 989.0 741.75 999.0 1098.9
29 498.0 996.0 747.0 1006.0 1106.6
30 501.5 1003.0 752.25 1013.0 1114.3
31 505.0 1010.0 757.75 1020.0 1122.0
32 508.5 1017.0 762.75 1027.0 1129.7
33 512.0 1024.0 768.0 1034.0 1137.4
34 515.5 1031.0 773.25 1041.0 1145.1
35 519.0 1038.0 778.5 1048.0 1152.8
36 522.5 1045.0 783.75 1055.0 1160.5
37 526.0 1052.0 789.0 1062.0 1168.2
38 529.5 1059.0 794.25 1069.0 1175.9
39 533.0 1066.0 799.5 1076.0 1183.6
40 536.5 1073.0 804.75 1083.0 1191.3
41 540.0 1080.0 810.0 1090.0 1199.0
42 543.5 1087.0 815.25 1097.0 1206.7
43 547.0 1094.0 820.5 1104.0 1214.4
44 550.5 1101.0 825.75 1111.0 1222.1
45 554.0 1108.0 831.0 1118.0 1229.8
46 557.5 1115.0 836.25 1125.0 1237.5
47 561.0 1122.0 841.5 1132.0 1245.2
48 564.5 1129.0 846.75 1139.0 1252.9
49 568.0 1136.0 852.0 1146.0 1260.6
50 571.5 1143.0 857.25 1153.0 1268.3
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Tactics Perception Based on AT(All values in feet)
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Level Blast Troller Defend Kheld Brute MM Corr
Scrap Stalk Dom SoA
Tank
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14 141.4 202 252.5 181.8 141.4 151.5 202
15 144.2 206 257.5 185.4 144.2 154.5 206
16 147 210 262.5 189 147 157.5 210
17 149.8 214 267.5 192.6 149.8 160.5 214
18 152.6 218 272.5 196.2 152.6 163.5 218
19 155.4 222 277.5 199.8 155.4 166.5 222
20 158.2 226 282.5 203.4 158.2 169.5 226
21 161 230 287.5 207 161 172.5 230
22 163.8 234 292.5 210.6 163.8 175.5 234
23 166.6 238 297.5 214.2 166.6 178.5 238
24 169.4 242 302.5 217.8 169.4 181.5 242
25 172.2 246 307.5 221.4 172.2 184.5 246
26 175 250 312.5 225 175 187.5 250
27 177.8 254 317.5 228.6 177.8 190.5 254
28 180.6 258 322.5 232.2 180.6 193.5 258
29 183.4 262 327.5 235.8 183.4 196.5 262
30 186.2 266 332.5 239.4 186.2 199.5 266
31 189 270 337.5 243 189 202.5 270
32 191.8 274 342.5 246.6 191.8 205.5 274
33 194.6 278 347.5 250.2 194.6 208.5 278
34 197.4 282 352.5 253.8 197.4 211.5 282
35 200.2 286 357.5 257.4 200.2 214.5 286
36 203 290 362.5 261 203 217.5 290
37 205.8 294 367.5 264.6 205.8 220.5 294
38 208.6 298 372.5 268.2 208.6 223.5 298
39 211.4 302 377.5 271.8 211.4 226.5 302
40 214.2 306 382.5 275.4 214.2 229.5 306
41 217 310 387.5 279 217 232.5 310
42 219.8 314 392.5 282.6 219.8 235.5 314
43 222.6 318 397.5 286.2 222.6 238.5 318
44 225.4 322 402.5 289.8 225.4 241.5 322
45 228.2 326 407.5 293.4 228.2 244.5 326
46 231 330 412.5 297 231 247.5 330
47 233.8 334 417.5 300.6 233.8 250.5 334
48 236.6 338 422.5 304.2 236.6 253.5 338
49 239.4 342 427.5 307.8 239.4 256.5 342
50 242.2 346 432.5 311.4 242.2 259.5 346
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O2 Boost, Clear Mind & Clarity +Perception Values(All values in feet)
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Level Defend Troller/Corr MM(O2 only)
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1 234.4 (46.9%) --- ---
2 240.6 (48.6%) 192.5 (38.5%) 144.4 (28.9%)
3 246.9 (49.4%) 197.5 (39.5%) 148.1 (29.6%)
4 253.1 (50.6%) 202.5 (40.5%) 151.9 (30.4%)
5 259.4 (51.9%) 207.5 (41.5%) 155.6 (31.1%)
6 265.6 (53.1%) 212.5 (42.5%) 159.4 (31.9%)
7 271.9 (54.4%) 217.5 (43.5%) 163.1 (32.6%)
8 278.1 (55.6%) 222.5 (44.5%) 166.9 (33.4%)
9 284.4 (56.9%) 227.5 (45.5%) 170.6 (34.1%)
10 290.6 (58.1%) 232.5 (46.5%) 174.4 (34.9%)
11 296.9 (59.4%) 237.5 (47.5%) 178.1 (35.6%)
12 303.1 (60.6%) 242.5 (48.5%) 181.9 (36.4%)
13 309.4 (61.9%) 247.5 (49.5%) 185.6 (37.1%)
14 315.6 (63.1%) 252.5 (50.5%) 189.4 (37.9%)
15 321.9 (64.4%) 257.5 (51.5%) 193.1 (38.6%)
16 328.1 (65.6%) 262.5 (52.5%) 196.9 (39.4%)
17 334.4 (66.9%) 267.5 (53.5%) 200.6 (40.1%)
18 340.6 (68.1%) 272.5 (54.5%) 204.4 (41.9%)
19 346.9 (69.4%) 277.5 (55.5%) 208.1 (41.6%)
20 353.1 (70.6%) 282.5 (56.5%) 211.9 (42.4%)
21 359.4 (71.9%) 287.5 (57.5%) 215.6 (43.1%)
22 365.6 (73.1%) 292.5 (58.5%) 219.4 (43.9%)
23 371.9 (74.4%) 297.5 (59.5%) 223.1 (44.6%)
24 378.1 (75.6%) 302.5 (60.5%) 226.9 (45.4%)
25 384.4 (76.9%) 307.5 (61.5%) 230.6 (46.1%)
26 390.6 (78.1%) 312.5 (62.5%) 234.4 (46.9%)
27 396.9 (79.4%) 317.5 (63.5%) 238.1 (47.6%)
28 403.1 (80.6%) 322.5 (64.5%) 241.9 (48.4%)
29 409.4 (81.9%) 327.5 (65.5%) 245.6 (49.1%)
30 415.6 (83.1%) 332.5 (66.5%) 249.4 (49.9%)
31 421.9 (84.4%) 337.5 (67.5%) 253.1 (50.6%)
32 428.1 (85.6%) 342.5 (68.5%) 256.9 (51.4%)
33 434.4 (86.9%) 347.5 (69.5%) 260.6 (52.1%)
34 440.6 (88.1%) 352.5 (70.5%) 264.4 (52.9%)
35 446.9 (89.4%) 357.5 (71.5%) 268.1 (53.6%)
36 453.1 (90.6%) 362.5 (72.5%) 271.9 (54.4%)
37 459.4 (91.9%) 367.5 (73.5%) 275.6 (55.1%)
38 465.6 (93.1%) 372.5 (74.5%) 279.4 (55.9%)
39 471.9 (94.4%) 377.5 (75.5%) 283.1 (56.6%)
40 478.1 (95.6%) 382.5 (76.5%) 286.9 (57.4%)
41 484.4 (96.9%) 387.5 (77.5%) 290.6 (58.1%)
42 490.6 (98.1%) 392.5 (78.5%) 294.4 (58.9%)
43 496.9 (99.4%) 397.5 (79.5%) 298.1 (59.6%)
44 503.1 (100.6%) 402.5 (80.5%) 301.9 (60.4%)
45 509.4 (101.9%) 407.5 (81.5%) 305.6 (61.1%)
46 515.6 (103.1%) 412.5 (82.5%) 309.4 (61.9%)
47 521.9 (104.4%) 417.5 (83.5%) 313.1 (62.6%)
48 528.1 (105.6%) 422.5 (84.5%) 316.9 (63.3%)
49 534.4 (106.9%) 427.5 (85.5%) 320.6 (64.1%)
50 540.6 (108.1%) 432.5 (86.5%) 324.4 (64.9%)
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</pre><hr />The % in parentheses is equal to the value of resistance to -perception.
Perception Buffs/Debuffs:(All values in feet)
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Name Available from Value Percentage Note
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Base Perception --- 500 100%
Insight Inspiration 125 25% grants 25% resistance to
-perception, self-stackable
Keen Insight Inspiration 166 33% grants 33% resistance to
-perception, self-stackable
Uncanny Insight Inspiration 250 50% grants 50% resistance to
-perception, self-stackable
IR Goggle Temp Power 200 40% per 50% of the time checked
every 10 seconds
Increase Perception Empowerment 100 20% ---
Recticle IO Invention Enhancer 100 20% once slotted it's always
active, even if the power
is a click type power
Targeting Drone Devices 300 60% ---
Cloak of Darkness Dark Armor 300 60% ---
Focused Senses Super Reflexes 300 60% ---
Danger Sense Ninjitsu 300 60% ---
Mineral Armor Stone Armor 300 60% ---
Glacial Armor Ice Armor 300 60% ---
Heightened Senses Willpower 300 60% ---
Focused Accuracy Body/Energy Mastery 300 60% ---
Shadow Cloak Umbral Aura 300 60% ---
Tactics (Drone) NPC Drones 1000 200% When close to NPC drones
Tactics Leadership 2.0 * Res_Boolean ---
Clear Mind Empathy 2.5 * Res_Boolean grants resistance to
-perception, stackable even
from the same caster
Clarity Sonic Resonance 2.5 * Res_Boolean grants resistance to
-perception, stackable even
from the same caster
O2 Boost Storm Summoning 2.5 * Res_Boolean grants resistance to
-perception, stackable even
from the same caster
Smoke Grenade Devices -450 -90% unstackable from the same
caster, wears off when the
target is damaged
Smoke Fire Control -450 -90% resistable, unstackable from
the same caster, wears off
when the target is damaged
Flash Arrow Trick Arrow -450 -90% unresistable, unstackable
from the same caster,
wears off when the target
is damaged
Seeker Drones Traps -450 -90% wears off when the target
is damaged
Seeker Drones Robotics:Protector Bot -450 -90% wears off when the target
is damaged
Blinding Powder Ninjitsu -450 -90% wears off when the target
is damaged
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</pre><hr />If you have any question about Res_Boolean, read iakona's Power Data Standardization v2.0
Stealth Buffs/Debuffs:(All values in feet)
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Name Available from Value Note
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Hide Stalker Secondaries 500 suppressed to zero for 8 seconds
after attacking/being damaged
(doesn't suppress if AS misses)
Mask Presense Widow/Fort Teamwork 400 suppressed to zero for 10 seconds
after attacking/being damaged
Cloaking Device Bane Spider Training 500 suppressed to zero for 10 seconds
after attacking/being damaged
Stealth Concealment 389 suppressed to zero for 10 seconds
after attacking/being attacked/debuffed
Grants Invisibility Concealment 611 see Stealth Caps, completely wears off
after attacking/being attacked
Invisibility Concealment 611 see Stealth Caps, NEVER suppressed in PvP
Phase Shift Concealment 222 ---
Group Invisibility Illusion Control 667 see Stealth Caps, completely wears off
after attacking/being attacked
Superior Invisibility Illusion Control 1000 see Stealth Cap, suppressed to zero for
6 seconds after attacking/being attacked
Cloaking Device Devices 389 suppressed to zero for 10 seconds
after attacking/being attacked/debuffed
Steamy Mist Storm Summoning 389 suppressed to zero for 10 seconds
after attacking/being attacked/debuffed
Arctic Fog Cold Domination 389 suppressed to zero for 10 seconds
after attacking/being attacked/debuffed
Shadow Fall Dark Miasma 389 suppressed to zero for 10 seconds
after attacking/being attacked/debuffed
Cloak of Darkness Dark Armor 389 suppressed to zero for 10 seconds
after attacking/being attacked/debuffed
Energy Cloak Energy Armor 389 suppressed to zero for 10 seconds
after attacking/being attacked/debuffed
Quantum Flight Luminous Aura 222 ---
Shadow Cloak Umbral Aura 389 suppressed to zero for 10 seconds
after attacking/being attacked/debuffed
Placate Stalker/SoA Primaries 380 wears off after attacking/being damaged
Stealth Suit (variants) Temp Power 389 suppressed to zero for 10 seconds
after attacking/being attacked/debuffed
Grant Invisibility Empowerment 250 ---
Stealth IO Invention Enhancer 300 includes: Unbound Leaping, Celerity and
Time&Space Manipulation, suppressed to
zero for 10 seconds after attacking/being
attacked/debuffed
Arctic Air Ice Control -389 ---
Stealth Suppression Base Defence -1000 up to 10 targets within 40 feet of the item
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so its true. SOA's have a higher perception than the stealth cap for stalkers.. wierd, i wonder if this was intended.
***1st off I don't take credit for most of what is in this guide. Peritus and Iakona did most of the work in
#'s of Perception/Stealth . All I have done is re-format it and present a more consolidated form with updated
info for SoAs.***
Quick Zone Reference Guide:
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Stealth/Perception Caps(All values in feet)
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Level Stealth cap Stealth cap Stealth cap Perception cap Perception cap
(Map) (Non-Stalker Stalker SoA (Non-SoA) SoA
or SoA)
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BB(25) 484.0 968.0 726.0 978.0 1075.8
SC(30) 501.5 1003.0 752.25 1013.0 1114.3
WB(38) 529.5 1059.0 794.25 1069.0 1175.9
RV(50) 571.5 1143.0 857.25 1153.0 1268.3
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To Start:
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Perception = The Perception value XXX directly represents your ability to detect enemies from XXX feet away.
Stealth = The Stealth value XXX directly represents your ability to conceal yourself from enemies by XXX feet.
***A NOTE***
Player vs. Pets/Henchmen (follows common PvE rules):
- They have only 45 feet base perception
- Most powers work differently. For an example of weak stealth: -35 instead of -389.
- Super Speed works against them.
The Basic Math:
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To detect stealthy enemy:
If the value [Your Perception - Enemy's Stealth] is positive, you can detect the enemy from
[The Remainder of the Subtraction] feet away.
To hide from enemy:
If the value [Enemy's Perception - Your Stealth] is negative, the enemy cannot detect you.
More Advanced Math:
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NPD = Net perception distance (how far you can see an opponent)
NSD = Net stealth distance (how far can an opponent see you)
BPD = Base perception distance (500 ft)
PB = Perception buffs (+perception powers applied to you)
PD = Perception debuffs (-perception powers applied to you)
SB = Stealth buffs (+stealth powers applied to you)
SD = Stealth debuffs (-stealth powers applied to you)
Clamp-PC = Reduce to perception cap (Maximum perception value that players cannot exceed)
Clamp-SC = Reduce to Stealth cap (Maximum stealth value that players cannot exceed)
Perception Keenness Formula:
NPD = Clamp-PC[BPD + PB - PD * (1 - Resist)]
Stealth Depth Formula:
NSD = Clamp-SC[SB - SD]
Combined Perception VS Stealth Formula:
Total = Clamp-PC[BPD + PB - PD * (1 - Resist)] - Clamp-SC[SB - SD]
***If positive you are seen; If negative you are hidden***
Stealth Suppression:
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<ul type="square">[*]Any type of +stealth is suppressed to zero after you attack or are attacked or debuffed
(exception: Hide, Mask Presence, Cloaking Device(Bane version) and /Concealment/Invisibility)[*]Common PbAOE debuff powers that suppress stealth include: Hurricane, Arctic Air, Chilling Embrace,
and RttC (Rise to the Challenge)[*]Hide/Mask Presence/Cloaking Device(Bane version) are not suppressed by debuffs which deal
no damage. [*]Hide/Mask Presence/Cloaking Device(Bane version) are not suppressed by summoning pets
(Examples: Patron pets, SoA pets, caltrops) [*]Hide is not suppressed by actions onto other players that deal no damage
(Examples: Placate, Blinding powder, Teleport foe)[*]/Concealment/Invisibility is never suppressed in PvP, even when you toggleon Invisibility
after attacking.[*]The +stealth component of click powers (/Concealment/Grant Invis and /Illuision/Grant Invis)
completely wears off when you attack or are attacked. (you still look translucent)[/list]
Stealth Stacking:
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One of the most common questions is can I stack this with that to become more stealthy, well it depends.
Here are some rules of thumb:
<ul type="square">[*]Stalker Hide stacks with any stealth powers
(Example: Hide, /concealment/stealth, and Stealth IO all can stack)[*]Stealth IOs (Unbound Leaping, Celerity, Time&Space Manipulation) can stack with any other stealth power,
but not with each other.
---(They are unique, only ONE of any one of those per character)[*]/Impowerment/Grant Invisibility stacks with any stealth powers[*]You can't stack more than one toggle stealth power yourself (see exceptions below).
---(Example: Shadowfall CAN'T stack with the /concealment/stealth; Its one or the other)
---(Example: Cloaking Device (Bane or Blaster) and Mask Presence CAN'T stack with the /concealment/stealth;
Its one or the other)[*]Exception 1: Stalker Hide is an exception, it can be toggled with /concealment/stealth[*]Exception 2: /concealment/stealth stacks with /concealment/Phase shift or /Temp/Hyperphase[*]Exception 3: Stealth powers stack from different users
---(Example 1: Two /Dark players both have Shadowfall active, yes they stack)
---(Example 2: You have /concealment/stealth and another player casts Grant Invis on you, yes they stack)[*]/Speed/Super Speed does stack with other stealth powers, but in PvE ONLY!!![/list]