Red Flags - Before You Start The Villain Respec
By
American_Knight,
Posted on: 2006-01-02 13:21 in Player Guides
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In the OP, there were comments about not playing with corruptors who wouldn't heal/buff. There were comments about the types of players and the types of AT you should take. MMs were the ONLY AT singled out with their own sub-heading for a discussion of incompetance. So... some of us are a little more sensitive about it than others. Myself, I've played with some seriously bad MMs... and here is what I've decided: Everyone can, and does, screw up. However, when a mastermind screws up it is terribly obvious, and, likely to have very very serious consequences. ... sorry, getting off topic. Let me step off the soapbox... All I have ever asked is that you not blame the entire AT just bc you've met an incompetant player, and, that seems to be what the OP did. Thanks.
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I didn't get that at all. But like Shakespear says...'nothing is but think makes so'
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What don't you get? How can I clear it up for you?
(With TWO smilies to make it clear I don't mean to be rude!!)
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What don't you get? How can I clear it up for you?
(With TWO smilies to make it clear I don't mean to be rude!!)
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LOL!! I meant I didn't get the same thing you did from the OP's comments. Not that I didn't get you.
And I think I just got that...you know what I meant...your just having fun with me now. (three smiles means I win...LOL oh and not being rude...just having fun back)
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MMs were the ONLY AT singled out with their own sub-heading for a discussion of incompetance.
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You should note that he did not labeled the whole mastermind community as incompetent, he was just refering to a subset that are incompetent. True, every AT can be played incompetently, true, an incompetent corruptor can be more dangerous to the team than an incompetent brute, but an incompetent mastermind can be a self targeted nuclear bomb.
He did, however, noted a few very right on clues to how distinguish an incompetent mastermind from a competent one.
Listing them again and enumerated so no one miss them:
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1) Make sure you have competent Masterminds who can maintain control of their henchment.
2) Make sure that they are willing to sacrifice their pets if needed.
3) Make sure that if they have team buffs and foe debuffs that they are willing to use them.
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Now let me elaborate those:
1) means that the mastermind should know how to order his pets to:
<ul type="square"> [*]a) Attack a single target[*]b) Follow[*]c) Go to a specific spot without moving themselves[*]d) Move out of the way (done with a mix of b and c)[/list]
2) This is a big issue with many masterminds, they refuse to let their pets die because they are afraid of having to resumon and rebuff them.
<ul type="square"> [*]a) A really good mastermind must know at what point to just let their pets die[*]b) He should know how and be willing to send just one of the pets as a kamikaze (see #1.C).[*]c) Must know at what point to resumon dead pets. 3 dead tier 1 pets wont make as much diference as a well placed heal or debuff. If on a bad situation the mastermind decides to summon a pet instead of landing a heal or a debuff, he is doing an aweful choice.[*]d) Must know at what point to rebuff resumoned pets. Continuation of the above, there are points where resumoning is the right choice, but rebuffing them may be a aweful idea. Specialy tier 1 pets, in a big mayhem, wont be much diference if you buff them just so they get killed again, that effort should be placed on helping the team survive.[/list]
3) This was well elaborated by him on his post but here it is in a diferent typo filled spelling:
<ul type="square"> [*]a) Use the powers from the secondary pool ON THE TEAM[/list]
So, altough a bit vague in some points, he is very right, those are huge signs to distinguish between incompetent and competent masterminds.
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All I have ever asked is that you not blame the entire AT just bc you've met an incompetant player, and, that seems to be what the OP did. Thanks.
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That is because in my opinion, all other villain ATs offer more use to a team than the MM AT does. Like I said, this is all opinion.
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And that is why, this is a bad guide. In my opinion.
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All I have ever asked is that you not blame the entire AT just bc you've met an incompetant player, and, that seems to be what the OP did. Thanks.
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That is because in my opinion, all other villain ATs offer more use to a team than the MM AT does. Like I said, this is all opinion.
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And that is why, this is a bad guide. In my opinion.
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Get this buddy, all guides are formed through opinions that people formed through observation, there is no such thing as a totally unbiased guide.
You only came in here, saw a topic heading, and went into rant mode without even trying to understand anything that I was saying, which everyone else here has gotten.
So in my opinion, you are a bad reader and probably a bad player, so welcome to the wonderful world of the ignore list.
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You only came in here, saw a topic heading, and went into rant mode without even trying to understand anything that I was saying, which everyone else here has gotten.
So in my opinion, you are a bad reader and probably a bad player, so welcome to the wonderful world of the ignore list.
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No, it just wasn't the topic heading, it was your complaining of how some ATs can be incompetent, but expressly leaving out brutes from that class of bad players. Your own follow up claiming that MMs are the least useful AT confirms your anti-MM bias. So, I did indeed comprehend what you were saying.
As far as rant mode, well, reread your original post. It is a rant against bad players (but not Brute players). Pots and kettles everywhere in this thread.
As far as putting me on the ignore list, that's fine. Doubt you'll do it.
Pants. Pants indeed!
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You only came in here, saw a topic heading, and went into rant mode without even trying to understand anything that I was saying, which everyone else here has gotten.
So in my opinion, you are a bad reader and probably a bad player, so welcome to the wonderful world of the ignore list.
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No, it just wasn't the topic heading, it was your complaining of how some ATs can be incompetent, but expressly leaving out brutes from that class of bad players. Your own follow up claiming that MMs are the least useful AT confirms your anti-MM bias. So, I did indeed comprehend what you were saying.
As far as rant mode, well, reread your original post. It is a rant against bad players (but not Brute players). Pots and kettles everywhere in this thread.
As far as putting me on the ignore list, that's fine. Doubt you'll do it.
Pants. Pants indeed!
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Ok, first off, CHILL.
Second off. Just because he thinks that other ATs are more useful than MMs doesnt mean he hates them. It means that he thinks others might be better. For example, If I was forming a team in RL to play tug of war, I would want Big, strong people. Just because I dont think small people have as much to offer in this situation doesnt mean I am biased against them, it means that my observations and knowledge tell me there are more useful potential teammates out there. You see, that is the difference. Bias means you dont take any input or observations, while an opinion is formed off of observations you have made.
Second, a bad MM is way worse than a bad brute. A bad Brute will run ahead and get himself killed, serves him right. A bad MM has his pets running around, aggroing [censored], pulling three spawns back on the team, blocking doors, ect. This is WORSE than a brute who gets himself killed. That is why they are more dangerous.
And it isnt a rant against bad players. However, since it is a guide to forming a team, the fact that a guide is necessary implies that there are mistakes to be guided away from. These one of these mistakes is taking bad players. Thus, a guide of this nature cannot help but criticise bad players, even if that is not the ultimate goal of the guide.
Were you saving that up for a quarter of a year? Can't wait to see what you'll add in August.
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All I have ever asked is that you not blame the entire AT just bc you've met an incompetant player, and, that seems to be what the OP did. Thanks.
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Nope, I never singled out the entire MM AT.
When I said Incompetent Masterminds, I meant specifically that. Masterminds who cannot control their pets, who cannot stop from aggroing multiple mobs, who cannot keep from blocking doorways.
I spoke of not bringing bad Masterminds, I didn't say not to bring any at all.
Now I know someone will claim I did because in my suggested team I didn't recommend Masterminds. That is because in my opinion, all other villain ATs offer more use to a team than the MM AT does. Like I said, this is all opinion.
If you want to bring MMs along, go right ahead. It's your team after all. But don't say I didn't warn you if you end up with one of the bad MMs.