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Wrong. Do you even bother to read anything? Or do you just hasten to throw together the biggest string of psuedo-intellectual garbage in order to make yourself sound informed and relevant?

For the sake of the discussion:

X = A vast majority of players offering complaints about the (at that time) current PvP system.

A "complaint" can also be likened to an "opinion", which is certainly not a universal truth. Your argument has already been invalidated, while my example still stands.

I'm still right.

Sure, have someone PM me or something so I know exactly when it starts. I'd be happy to offer what perspective I have.

Though, perhaps that might not be a good idea, as I am clearly too defensive and high-and-mighty (lol) for some player's tastes.

Greatest Fury Guild ever.

Because that would be logical and require the league organizer to be a rational individual that is capable of putting aside personal feelings.

I have to bring back a team of 10 inactive players, I wouldn't worry about anything happening next week.

******* ain't that the truth.

If you and Lib's teams are down, I'll talk to the guys and see if they're for coming back together to run practice matches.

Who knows, maybe we'll issue unofficial official challenges to some teams for matches?

That's how it worked in the olden days.

ultimatum

a final proposition, condition, or demand; especially : one whose rejection will end negotiations and cause a resort to force or other direct action.

I ask to let a full team join the league.

You say no, providing no relevant reason outside of an inflammatory remark and then give one option and one option alone.

My counter is that our team would like to play together, you stand by your one option. A compromise is meeting me halfway on both my proposed option and yours.

Example: Your team joins with 4 preset players, the rest of your team is absorbed into the draft and players are distributed accordingly. You will more than likely get the majority of the rest of your team, but some of the wealth will be spread to teams that need it as well.

That is a compromise as it means that you have met me halfway understanding what I have presented, while still maintaining a moderate portion of your proposal as well.

You don't read much, do you?

I'm not in a position to level an ultimatum, what part of that do you not understand? I have stated at least 3 times that you have made absolutely no attempt to contact me in order to find some sort of actual compromise; a middle-ground. The accurate determination is that you have presented one and only one option. Are you completely incapable of having any form of reasonable discourse? Survey says yes.

You're done. Posting inflammatory, accusing remarks without taking the time to peruse the thread and take a gander at someone's honest perspective is a clear indication of your true outlook on more PvPers entering your league.

Your contributions to this thread have been practically non-existent, to assume that you will begin to deviate from that now is clearly a foolhardy assumption. That was my initial thought before I actually read your posts. Lo and behold, I was correct.

For the sake of chronology, let me help educate you a little bit.

1: I Cue poses a query regarding a new team entering the ladder, he is told (for all intents and purposes) that an entirely new roster will not be allowed to enter the ladder. When I ask him what the reasoning is, I do not receive a definitive answer.

2. Being that I am to be the captain of said new team, I bring it up on the boards, and am subsequently told that I missed the deadline. My counter-argument is that a roster lock date is a flimsy excuse, and that rules are malleable; said conclusion is evident due to my previous experience in other leagues that were run quite successfully.

3. I am told that I should have "gotten my **** together" and that I missed the deadline. The league organizer that says this to me does not take the time to consider account inactivity, forum inactivity, and completely skips the fact that a new team of PvPers has interest in their league, choosing instead to make inflammatory remarks alongside several other individuals that offer "perspective" (see: you) without doing any actual reading.

4. I make it plain and simple that my team (as a personal preference) would prefer not to join a draft and would like to play together. We are familiar with one another, and have known each other long enough that such a desire is neither harmful, nor completely unreasonable. If you, sir, are telling me that it is, you're about as delusional as Lord Stryker. However, I do not pose an ultimatum of any sort. As again, I am in no such position to do so. However, do to the passive-aggressive nature of several perspectives regarding my desire to enter the league with a new team, I enter into a prolonged debate regarding leagues/rules/and what's helpful/harmful to a dying PvP community.

5. I've already come to the conclusion that our team gaining entry is impossible, and state that our team would love to come play and practice outside the boundaries of the league with other active teams, but conclude that having everyone I know reactivate their accounts under good faith is not a wise option for many of us. It is a gamble that I know I have personally taken before, and more often than not, I have lost. At this point, that is my attempt at compromising with the PvP community that is active in the league, it is an option that differs from my team just entering the league (As we would have no league involvement whatsoever, and would be playing with teams for fun GASP!). Therefore:

Is incorrect, and a clear indication that you have not bothered to do any reading whatsoever. ******-baggery exposed.

Wrong, my second condition was never a condition at all. My step forward was simply, "Well, hey. We can't join the league, fine. But we'd love to just play and practice, unfortunately re-upping 8-10 accounts in good faith under the assumption that people would practice with us just doesn't (at this time) feel like an idea that seems plausible."

The assumption that teams wouldn't practice with us doesn't just come from me, but also came through speaking with other individuals that would be coming back to play as well. Unlike the league organizer, I attempt to gain the perspective of my peers in order to reach a fair & accurate conclusion.

Padding your post count? Attaboy.

The vast majority of players that spent years complaining about unsuppressed travel gave Castle the justification to say that the aforementioned mechanic was not working as intended.

If X leads to Y, then Z is a logical conclusion. And yet here you are getting overly defensive about it.

The playerbase plays just as much a part in administering changes to the game as the developers, positively or negatively.

It's certainly possible that I misconstrued what Myrm said, but having dealt with their psuedo-passive aggressive comments before in the past, I can justify it. It's irritating because I've given the player nothing but respect.

Napoleon complex, seriously? The CoH boards are where the community goes to writhe in agony, everyone has a chip on their shoulder.

Posting in a thread isn't a crime. Especially if several recent posts have been completely unrelated to the discussion that took place. Let me tell you from experience that I was aware from the beginning that nothing was going to change. When has that ever stopped me?

If you're trying to excuse me from the thread, do so in a less condescending manner. You've had that attitude with me for years and it's starting to grate on me now.

If you find my posts to be that irritating, inflammatory, unreasonable and hard to deal with, put me on ignore. I won't be offended.

Quit being condescending, it doesn't work for you.

Yeah, that's what I'm implying. If HP invents the phrase "get wrecked" and then tells people to stop using it, it's done.

I'm the guy that told -MaX that his voice sounded like he permanently had a jar of pickles wedged down his throat. You know that the mudslinging that I embedded in people's minds is old when I'm back to trying to reason with people again.

I do miss Felonious though, he was always fun to belittle.

Fixed for accuracy.

I revolutionized "you're fat" and "you're bad" (shout out to Alarys), it's only natural that I deviate from it now.

That's the beauty of sarcasm, Myrm. The assumption has always been made that RPers do not in fact make good PvPers without any point of reference to begin with. But then again, no one ever took me into account either.

I've offered a partial compromise already. You really don't like giving me the benefit of the doubt, do you?

Bringing an active team to practice against teams in the League was my middleground that I've stepped forward to offer, in that it considers the fact that the League's organizers simply do not want us participating as a team, and also considers that my team wants to play together.

Wanting to play with the group of friends that I am familiar with and have a rapport with is not a bad thing, it is not wrong, and was a big portion of what made Test Server so much fun for years before League's like this were brought to the forefront.

I am in no such position to even offer an ultimatum to begin with. I thus far have stepped forward with some form of compromise, but cannot act on it because good faith with the playerbase and organizers in this league does not seem like a viable option to go with. I might be a dick, but I'm certainly not naive, and I'm definitely not stupid. Lack of stupidity has more than likely earned me the ire of several posters in this thread. C'est la vie.