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No it's not non-sense. If the game had always been set up so that at level 10 you could take on 3 skulls, but at level 50 you could take on 15 skulls, it wouldn't be percieved as a problem now that skulls don't become completely obsolete as you level up. No one would of played the game and thought, "now that I'm level 50 skulls should never be able to hit me anymore." if it was never that way to begin with.

The SK system and AE and certainly the new SK syste make levels completely arbitrary. The ability to circumvent the level difference in these ways illustrates how useless having it is. Trying to make the argument that haveing a system where everyone can play at what ever level they want to (as long as they play with someone who is that level) is fine and desired, but somehow a system that everyone essentually is always the same level (doing nothing but elimnating having to jump through hoops to circumvent an arbitray system) is broken is an asinine argument.

However, as I have noted, The super Sking system answers my primary concerns for why I wanted such a system (ie easier team formation). As folonius mentioned a week ago "what you suggest, and what the Op implies are very similar."

Depends on who is the leader of the group. What's grey or purple is completly relative with the new sking. Beyond your power selection and enhancements being level 10, 32, 50 is relative based upon the team leader. Which is pretty close to what I suggested, except I wanted to remove having to constantly adjust the groups level by changing the leader.

However, I understand that the new sking system is easier to implement and accomplishes my main reason for the suggestion in the first place.



there were plenty of people who seemed to understand it fine. Personally I think the real issue is because I suggested it instead of a dev people respond negativly out of reaction, for various reasons. It happens all the time on forums.


I still don't understand how you seem to think this is deifferent from the current sk system or from fighting greens and blues.

but thats only a problem because that's how it has been, not because it's the way it should be. At level 30 even if a skull is a white con, it's still going to be an easy fight at level 30 reguardless. And like I said before, unless you never exemplar it's already a cvontradiction in the immersion of the game.

Yes because some aspects not being implemented wouldn't qualify for "almost"? The new side kicking falls just short of what I suggested. My suggestion was basically to treat everyone like they were side kicked all the time and the super side kicking eleminates the need for having mentors/exemplars, while in groups.

It sounds a lot like your grasping for justification for your previous discontent with my idea. Most of the precieved problems mentioned with my idea are going to have to be answered with the side kicking system as well (although they were problems with the current system as well, but that didn't seem to stop people). The devs don't seem to think those problems are actually problems either.

It only effects street mobs if your SKed. While I still think making the street mobs even levled would add to the immersion of the game, the super sking system accomplishes the intent of making team formation easier.


not completly true as now higher levels will retain their powers and get xp. However, this is pretty much exactly what I perposed, except that I didn't/don't see the necessity for a mentor.

I didn't get that implication at all from Posy's post.

It's almost exactly the same thing, except that lower levels will be 1 level lower then the team leader.

See, at least this I can buy as an argument. I can understand why you would feel that this would be an issue.

My only answer to that is first, the way MMOs and SPRPGs are played, are completely different. Most people don't go back and redo/explore content in MMOs because of the leveling systems make a very clear path for advancement. Secondly, MMOS are already flat. A lot of what you do is grind, grind, grind in an MMO. It might be a grind you enjoy, it might be a grind in which you enjoy the story, but essentually , and particularly after you've experinced it the first few times through, it's ability to engage a player is going to be flat for ost people. Thirdly, not to sound like a broken record, but the game already allows for people to do what I am suggesting. If you have ever played the AE, or SKed or exempt or played any of the auto level content and enjoyed yourself , what I suggest would be no less flat.

I have been listening, I just disagree and instead of answering my responses people keep making the same arguments without addressing the reasons I have already stated the argument is invalid. Part of the point of posting something like this is to have others veiws of what's wrong with an idea or how it can be improved. Hoever all i've gotten as a response is that the teaming doesn't need to be easier , which is crap, and that it either makes lower mobs to strong or hiogher mobs to weak...but the current AE, Side kicking, Exemping system already allows for that. How can that be used as an argument when it's already done in the game? The only thing that I am suggesting is make so you don't have to spend time to make some arbitrary team make up to make it work.


that's a completely annadotal asinine argument. It serves no purpose but to create some fictional situation to try and prove you "right," but it has nothing to actually do with the reality of what we are discussing. And, not only that it isn't even accurate to boot. Superheroes of varying power levels and nubmer team together all the time in comic books, without being paired off.


Actually, My grammar is pretty good, however, I am the type of person that needs to go back and proof read. I am not a very fast typer and I choose to not go over my posts. Deal with it. Perhaps you should not make assumptions about peoples English abilities/knowledge based on forum posts because from your posts I could just as easily question your reading ability.



First, if you go back and reread I never staded that Pling is bad. Secondly, I have already stated that what makes AE a power leveling tool is the fact that you can cherry pick what you fight and the lack of travel time, not the fact that it auto SKS/Levels. Also, as I have already stated the system to SK already exsists. Trying to make the argument that allowing people to function all as the same level is going to increase peoples ability to Power Level is completely unthought out. For reasons I have stated numerous time already.

Well if a hellion is a threat to your level 50 then you got much bigger problems then the level span anyway. And as I keep saying to this argument which no one ever responds to...how is it any differnt then exemping and then a hellion being an even bigger treat. Because the current system is even worse in this reguard how can anyone actually think this is a valid argument?

Yeah, the negative responses given thus far seem like knee jerk responses (or simply trolling, both which anytime you post anything you have to expect) to the idea of changing things in general. The arguments of it making it to easy to farm, not challenging or it allowing players to access content to early all already exsist under the current system and usually even worse then what I'm suggesting.

Making it eaiser for people to team together and find players to play with will only serve to add to the vast majority of players enjoyment and thus help the game. The arguments made asking as to why that would be important, or does not need to be done, are completly asinine. As Foloinis stated the success of AE would suggest that this would be something that people would want.