Westley

lol2stars

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Hey, I think that was an insult!

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It was too good to pass up, even though I've never read your guide(s?).

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In that case I suppose I can't consider it an insult, since you've never actually read any of my guides. That means you were speaking from a position of complete ignorance of that facts... therefore, I can logically and truthfully say at this moment:

Angry_Citizen is ignorant.

Take THAT!

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Writing a decent guide isn't so easy,

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What are you TALKING about? Writing guides is easy as pie. Heck, I whack off in the bathroom, there's a guide laying there in the morning!*

*Horrible joke plagiarized from Denis Leary.

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WHAT??!! I can't reuse the same joke over and over again???

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Good guides aren't easy to write, how about that. I spend months refining mine.

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Hey, I think that was an insult!

This is my MAD face! ---------->

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That guide was time consuming to assemble and publish. I can see why people don't do more of them...

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Eh, nevermind.. overplayed.

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Writing a decent guide isn't so easy,

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What are you TALKING about? Writing guides is easy as pie. Heck, I whack off in the bathroom, there's a guide laying there in the morning!*

*Horrible joke plagiarized from Denis Leary.

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WHAT??!! I can't reuse the same joke over and over again???

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Most of those guides are "I got to a high level and this is what I did" type guides.

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Yeah, those guides piss me off.

Especially this part of them, when I read "Well, I didn't take this power, so I don't know how good or bad it is. But I haven't heard anything good from someone else, and I didn't take it and didn't miss it, so don't bother taking it."

You'd be surprised how often I read those lines or something like them in a guide...

...and it makes my blood BOIL.

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Not many people write guides mainly because there isn't much of a point. With the addition of the real number system, comparing power choices is incredibly easy.


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... and on the other hand, I vehemently disagree with this. Any good guide provides more than numbers.

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Holy CRAP! I actually agree with something A_C wrote.

The Apocalypse is upon us!

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To the OP: having gone through the burden of writing a guide myself, they tend to take a good amount of time and effort, if it's any good. So I can see why there isn't one for every possible combination.

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What are you TALKING about? Writing guides is easy as pie. Heck, I whack off in the bathroom, there's a guide laying there in the morning!*

*Horrible joke plagiarized from Denis Leary.

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Hey folks.. Silly thought.. so a Scrapper takes Weapon Mastery and uses the Targeting Drone... but they have also been around long enough to get the Combat Pet Vet rewards... and took the Shield or Power Drone powers?

Now has two disco balls dancing around!

*grin*

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That's nothing compared to a Grav/Elec Dom with Singy, Voltaic Sentinel and a vet wisp.

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And the non combat pet.. just for kicks.

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*looks up at all the posts griping about losing Web Grenade*

*Laughs his [censored] off*

Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that they WOULDN'T get just as many complaints no matter WHICH power they replaced?

No matter what they change, or even if they changed nothing, they'd still piss off a lot of people. The only difference is who would be posting the angry letters.

The Devs are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

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Exactly. and you know what wise governments do in such situation usually? They just keep the status quo and go back to the working bench and try coming up with a better plan.

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No, that's why they never get anything DONE. They're always working on a "better plan" that never comes. It's how they stay safe in their jobs without pissing people off. They look like they're working, when they're really not.

At least our game designers have the balls to make decisions, unlike some I could mention.

*looks up at all the posts griping about losing Web Grenade*

*Laughs his [censored] off*

Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that they WOULDN'T get just as many complaints no matter WHICH power they replaced?

No matter what they change, or even if they changed nothing, they'd still piss off a lot of people. The only difference is who would be posting the angry letters.

The Devs are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Wow, you just compared changes in a pretendy fun-time game to a mugging?

You know that's one step away from Godwin's law right?

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I learned what works best for me by playing it for myself.

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That's really the best way to learn, no doubt.

This is here for two reasons:

<ul type="square">[*]To give people that want it a "jump start" into the set.[*]And to allow people that have been "stuck in their ways" an outside opinion of the powers so that they might rethink them.[/list]
I hope I succeeded in those goals.

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Positive, constructive feedback will give them the answers they need and help them determine whether or not some or all of the potential replacements need to be left alone. Screaming in their ears... that's not going to get us anywhere.

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Troof.

Just look at BAB's signature... try to avoid the /ignore list.

Let me specify with my opinion on changes and the fear of changes. As most know, I LOVE Force Fields. In a very unhealthy way, some might say.

However, if the devs changed one of the powers completely and/or replaced it with another... let's say they changed my FAVORITE power in the set, Repulsion Field into a power that "built a small cottage at your chosen location"... then how would I react?

Well, I would look at it as a challenge, as a new interesting mechanic. I would look for ways to make use of the change. I would see if I could summon the cottage around corners to see if it could aggro enemies for me in safety. I would see if it could be targeted and used for Howling Twilight...

There are a thousand possibilities... but the moral of the story is this: change happens. It just does. You can either complain about it endlessly or you can embrace it. One will lead you to being upset and will affect the way you face the rest of the world in a negative way, the other attitude will let you face the world in a positive way.

I TRY to never let anything bother me too much in a negative way. (TRY being the operative word here) Why? Because it only ends up hurting me in the end. And why allow something that I can control within myself to harm me when I can choose to NOT allow it to cause me grief?

How do I benefit from being upset? I don't, so I try not to let things upset me. Because it doesn't benefit me.

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I think it's funny how mad some folks get at changes that aren't all even announced yet. So what if they take a power here or there and swap it... learn to deal with it. I mean, did the concept of flexibility disappear while I wasn't looking? It's not like any character will be "perfect" anyway; there is (and always will be) room for improvement on all characters. Why do you think people argue ad infinitum about slotting and power choices on practically every power combination, hmmmm? Because everyone has a different (and in most cases), just as good and valid way of doing things.

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Brilliant. I wish I could frame this and stick it on the top of the forums.

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Yeah right... Come here talking about flexibility when my Shuriken will have become a stupid toggle that isnt attacking anything...

Flexibility my [ censored ]

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*yanks the stick out of Fury's [censored]*

Better?

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I think it's funny how mad some folks get at changes that aren't all even announced yet. So what if they take a power here or there and swap it... learn to deal with it. I mean, did the concept of flexibility disappear while I wasn't looking? It's not like any character will be "perfect" anyway; there is (and always will be) room for improvement on all characters. Why do you think people argue ad infinitum about slotting and power choices on practically every power combination, hmmmm? Because everyone has a different (and in most cases), just as good and valid way of doing things.

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Brilliant. I wish I could frame this and stick it on the top of the forums.

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October 4th
Vitue
Return of the Giant Giant-Monster Hunt!
October 5th
Vitue
Fluffernutter's Veggie-bananza!
October 10th
Vitue
Blood Artists Swimsuit event!
October 12th
Vitue
Puppy Appreciation party

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So... which server is Vitue that has all these AWESOME events happening?

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Heh.

Okay, I re-read it, and as someone who dabbles in modding for other games, pretty much everything here looks like good advice =)

#3 is something that I can relate to. Making something so wonderful and complicated, but then it doesn't work or it's too taxing for the existing system or it just can't be pulled off.. it's a real downer =(

Anyway, we'll see how it goes once we get I14 =)

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Thank you very much for this. What I'd like to see is a strong community based around what we know is going to be there, and what we've experienced previously, and is ready to respond in a positive and beneficial way to this game we love so much.

I posted with the intention of setting up a support base for what we're not going to be able to do. There's always limitations, the pushing back of this to I14 is reflective of how strong the community's response is towards removing as few creative barriers as possible. It was a huge, brilliant, realistic response to a valued desire. The go-backs involved in marketing alone was a big step, sucking a good chunk of money into marketing to redesign.

I think that with a forward thinking mentality, we can minimalize the shock that many might find at trying to produce a storyline that other people want to experience. What tools are available outside of any eventual mission building experience? What can the support of a whole group of people produce to help those at a loss for one (relatively) small issue of decision or factual deficiency?

I just want to see people ready for the impending storm of complaints, ones that aren't going to be smashed by trollers and snarky hitmen. It'll be a learning experience for all of us. I'm damn well looking forward to it, and we can make the final experience better by being better prepared for it.

What I would love more than anything else? Some of those "trainees" for the Cimerora arcs hinted at in recent interviews train us on what they didn't get first off. What areas got them stuck in doing what they did? The system's going to be the same, let us have the potential to hit the ground running on this and let us have the ability to do a lot of support work for the Devs, and the flexibility to respond quickly.

Please.



Luerim

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Man, I want some of whatever you're smoking...

you get your stuff from Steve Jobs? He always had the best [censored]...

Perhaps I should write a guide on how to write guides? Or would that be too presumptuous?

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That's what happens when you type something out in Notepad with Word Wrap on, and then copy and paste it from there. Does strange things.

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I spent half an hour trying to dump all the line breaks. It finally looked fine in preview, and I pressed continue and SHAZAM! it was right back again. Thanks for the tip, I've already edited it.

Luerim

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Yeah, if you write your forum posts like I do in Notepad... this is how you should do it. Go ahead and write it in Notepad with word wrap on so you can see what you're doing.

Then before you copy it, turn OFF word wrap and make sure that the PARAGRAPHS are all on "one line". If they're not, then delete the extra spaces to account. Then right click in the pad and choose Select All and copy it. Past it into the forums, and no more weirdness!

That's what happens when you type something out in Notepad with Word Wrap on, and then copy and paste it from there. Does strange things.

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I never was good at numbers, thanks.

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When I finish my heretic's guide to Force Fields, can I quote you?

/em hassle

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Go right on ahead! It's not like I haven't said it a million times already.

There's always casualties in war, you should know that.

Wow... no one else but me has figured out that you can still EASILY pull Giant Monsters over from Monster Island?

Perhaps I should educate the populace with a video...

Then again, now that Cimemora has arrived, PI isn't quite as filled with annoying pests as it used to be...

Anyone want to vote for me making an educational video?

I personally don't consider it griefing. I think they deserve it.

I hate PLers... with a passion.

Now if someone wants to just team with friends on their low level toon and SK up to a reasonable level to enjoy PLAYING, well that's a different story...